Well at least when players learn how to PvP and avoid sleep, THAT wil make BLM useless and dosnt affect the outcome of a fight as a class and as a player.
Honestly, they cant dps if they have a half melee class on them.
BLM useless in PvP
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12-19-2013, 12:23 AMTheMarmaxBLM useless in PvP
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12-19-2013, 12:34 AMLetBloodline
You can't play it solo, but i'm quite positive that good BLM and good party members will be able to win
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12-19-2013, 12:43 AMTheMarmax
Yeah but there is a solo MM, therefore we are supposed to play solo. Also not everyone have friends to queue with anyways.
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12-19-2013, 01:24 AMhirolucky
u are soo unskilled man
dont cry if u are noob -
12-19-2013, 01:27 AMEissels
You really shouldn't try and balance constructed PvP around non-constructed PvP. It's a bad idea.
Beyond that, mages are still strong. If a melee's on you, you can swiftcast sleep, and sprint away by the time he cleanses it, then surecast it on him again. This is also assuming you don't have someone helping you.
The only difference is once people get ways to handle sleep, BLMs will be strong but fair, instead of "LOLOLOL DOUBLE BLM SLEEP TEAMS GO." -
12-19-2013, 01:29 AMLetBloodlineFind LS/FC that will do pvp and create your party or join in oneQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMarmax
In the ragnarok section someone started a topic for this. Do the same -
12-19-2013, 01:37 AMTheMarmaxThe unskilled noob is at 44-7 the first day of patch and probably been playing MMOs before you were even born, but thats irrelevant and you Sir are rude.Quote:
Originally Posted by hirolucky
I am just trying to have a discussion and i am not crying, so if any "skilled" and "Pro" players out there can explain how can BLM be usefull when Sleep dosnt affect the fight anymore, i would appriciate that. -
12-19-2013, 01:44 AMLetBloodlineNot that informed on this so i ask. Exactly how sleep will stop to be useful?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMarmax
I know you can get a chance of resisting, reduce duration and get a skill with CD to get it off once
This will make sleep managable and not auto-win but i wouldn't call it useless (you can still cast it multiple times right?)
I'm missing something like full resistence or 70% chance of resist?
Anyway letargy blizzard blizzard 2 freeze surecast swiftcast aetherial manipulation sprint are all good ways to deal with melee opponents in my opinion
don't forget our personal stonskins that will make a cast go in -
12-19-2013, 01:48 AMTheMarmaxI agree with you there but thats now when u actually can sleep but after players get the pvp skill cleanse(or w/e the name is) and healer get a better reactions time to handle the sleeps, and players actually pots it too, thats what i am actually concerned about. And after you sleep a target 3 times and he get away with it,u cant sleep him anymore or the duration will be so short u will notice nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eissels
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12-19-2013, 01:49 AMTheMarmaxPots,Healer and skill. Thats 3 times and sleep will be irrelevant IMO.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetBloodline
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12-19-2013, 01:52 AMLetBloodlinepots remove from party member, not yourself if you are sleepedQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMarmax
Healer is the one you want to sleep first anyway
Plus now it's auto-win and that's just cheap
It's good that there are ways to not let you get an easy autowin while we have a load of other skills that can be useful -
12-19-2013, 01:53 AMTheMarmaxI agree u can still manage to get away from a melee but imagine having a monk on u all the time, you wont be able to do the damage BLM supposed to do, i can understand if they made getting hit will make the casting time last longer but completly interupt it, thats something new.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetBloodline
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12-19-2013, 01:56 AMTheMarmaxYeah pots remove for party members,that make it easier to avoid sleep for x player.Quote:
Originally Posted by LetBloodline
You sleep healer,he uses the pvp skill,u sleep again, someone pots it for him.
I completly agree its so cheap now and not that fun. -
12-19-2013, 02:01 AMLetBloodlineif i use manawall (or ward, don't remember wich one) and cast bilzzard 2 i can get free of monk easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by TheMarmax
if i run with sprint monk won't be able to do his rotation as well (at worst i can skyte)
if i run and letargy monk won't be able to do his rotation as well (at worst i can skyte)
if i aetherial manipulation to a far away party member i can freeze/slow/sleep monk
if i surecast i can freeze/slow/sleep monk
if i swiftcast i can freeze/slow/sleep monk
PvP won't be about cycle and DPS, it will be about CC
we'll have stunners but we are probabily the best crowd control class
We'll need to use all the skills wisely and make 100% out of CD -
12-19-2013, 02:08 AMTheMarmaxWe can get away/free easily, we agree on thatQuote:
Originally Posted by LetBloodline
Monk or w/e melee class dosnt need to do a rotation to make BLM do zero damage.
Thats a good idea, i dont think sleep will do much but freeze/slow/heavy, we will see if they help when ppls get some resistance from the pvp materia.
Yes if we can actually CC later on, i already agree now its a faceroll, i honestly agree and dislike it but it is nice to do some damage also. -
12-19-2013, 07:45 AMUmerothey advertised pvp with a trailer long time ago. and in the vid, a blm fell on his knees before a brd. They had already planned to make blm a joke in pvp since beta.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMarmax
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12-19-2013, 07:56 AMMitskiYou make a thread claiming that your class is useless, then proceed to brag about your win/loss ratio?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheMarmax
Get over yourself, and I might take you seriously. -
12-19-2013, 06:37 PMTheMarmaxI am not bragging, it is a joke now and easy to win as a BLM,i am concerned about a two weeks from now, please read all the conversation and you might understand. Thank youQuote:
Originally Posted by Mitski
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12-20-2013, 01:05 AMHitomeHe stated BLM WILL be a joke when people figure out sleep not that it currently is. Reading is helpful, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitski
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12-20-2013, 01:16 AMMitskiWhat's there to figure out? People are well aware of the different ways to cope with sleep, but the skill will never be useless. If you were even remotely good, you would understand that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitome
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12-20-2013, 01:19 AMFukujin
Not online so I don't have the exact numbers but I think I'm around 190matches 170wins
Double BLM. Theirs a lot of things we can do to stay alive
Purify/Equanimity/Night Wing are a must.
Bait the purify with night wing then swiftcast sleep, depending on the situation.
Usually have to do that with melee dps, if they don't ill freeze them in place. By then my War and BLM have completely obliterated the healer. Raging flare is nasty. If I got aggro cause of 'sleep' ill pop Equanimity Mana wall and throw a fire or two. From there its usually cake. PvP gear is a must. Keep relic weapon tho -
12-20-2013, 04:21 AMHitomeI don't PVP. I was just helping you with your reading comprehension.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitski
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12-20-2013, 05:16 AMMitskiPretty sure you're the one with the comprehension problem. I'll break it down into simple 1-2-3 arguments for you, so try to keep up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hitome
1. OP claims BLM will be useless when people understand how to deal with sleep.
2. People already understand how to deal with sleep.
3. Therefore, BLM should be useless.
1. PvP teams with a useless player will usually lose.
2. BLM are useless.
3. Therefore, teams with a BLM will usually lose.
1. OP claims to win most of his games.
2. OP plays a BLM.
3. Therefore, OP is lying about his win % or BLM are not useless.
I'm inclined to believe that BLM are not useless. -
12-20-2013, 09:32 AMRoyze
WHM is kinda crazy in PVP. Seen 3 PT members drop and their WHM kill the MNK then the WAR.
Took a while but damn, Holy and benediction is a beautiful thing. -
12-20-2013, 09:54 AMKnoahl
Most classes in PvP have crazy things about them, it takes skill to be a caster in this, positioning, co-ordinating with your team, it's what a TEAM match should be like, what are you expecting? o.o The balance is great so far, just I wonder why a lot of MNK and DRG I see slack in Arena, as some are really bad, some are godly. either way, PvP is great fun to play and as a healer I get so many commendations :X so much fun!
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12-21-2013, 02:14 PMHitomeYour entire argument is demonstrating the point: your reading comprehension falters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mitski
Please note the bolded section. Has a considerable amount of time passed since the introduction of PVP? No. Your conclusion is fallacious therefore you do, indeed, have said reading comprehension problems. The OP said, "BLM will be useless when people figure out how to deal with sleep." When implies time has passed. You claim that everything about PVP (including best compositions) are already known and best tactics, when most people do not have max rank PVP abilities, are known.
It's quite easy to see why your argument has so many holes in it. Again, reading is useful.
You ask someone to keep up when you are the one lagging behind. Makes me wonder sometimes... -
12-21-2013, 05:07 PMEight
I'm a BLM and everytime that door opens they come running for me I get so scared I wanna go back in the cage. All seriousness though I get off a sleep and then i'm dead within a few seconds lol.