[Suggestion] Cross Hotbar [PS3]

hello.

Currently

currently you can hold down the L2 or R2 and while doing that press the opposite corresponding key, R2 or L2. and this brings up half of a XHB corresponding to the order in which the buttons were pressed.


you must hold both L2+R2 at all times to keep the additional XHB up.



Suggestion

using Toggle or Mixed mode to keep up the additional XHB even after releasing one or both of the buttons. if we can release both buttons then the next time you press L2 or R2 it just brings up that portion of the XHB of your last used XHB. or by default could be Set 1.

Greetings,

There have been some comments about the newly added feature for gamepads, which allows you to access more cross hotbars by simultaneously pressing “L2+R2” in different combinations, and how it’s a bit difficult to use. Below is a comment from Hiroshi Minagawa regarding this topic.

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Originally Posted by Hiroshi_Minagawa

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Can you make it so the cross hotbars are always shown for the simultaneous pressing of “L2+R2” and also make it possible to move the display wherever we like?

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Without a doubt, being able to have these additional cross hotbars displayed full-time would be the best; however, due to additional display stress for the PlayStation 3, this kind of display is not possible. Also, since there are limitations on the save files, the file size would be 1.5 times greater with each additional cross hotbar, so this is not possible. I apologize.

We had looked into implementing individual programs for the Windows version and PlayStation 3 version, but the workload would have taken much longer than the current schedule and would have resulted in the dropping of other features’ implementation, so we decided that implementing like this in patch 2.1 would be the best method to increase the convenience for players.

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well that is fine. but i wasn't really speaking about having the additional XHB displayed full time. what i mean is like in Mixed/Toggle mode current if we just tap the L2 or R2 button. that portion of the XHB stays up.

so if you press and hold L2 then press R2 which brings up the right half of an extra set. maybe you could release L2 and still have the right half up. currently if you release the L2 it goes back to your previous set(or set 1 i dunno). and the right half of set 1 will be opened. this seems simple. and i believe it will help make the XHB a little more fluent.

and then maybe a way so that even after you release R2 the additional XHB stays. though it would stay active as if toggled open. and the next time you press L2 or R2 it would just bring back the other set and open the side of which ever button you used. however this one is not so important.



we can do without any improvements really. honestly the new functionality of the XHB is wonderful.

i for one am glad to see this and love it.

so even if you don't plan on making any further improvements. i am sure PS3 players will be still be happy. :)



in any case. thank you for the response, Camate!

I just tried it out for the first time today and I think its absolutely perfect and one of my favorite changes so far. I see how you could make a few tweaks for how specific people like to play, I do not use toggle but some do.

I personally use Hold, and this new change suits me greatly. We now have access to possibly 8 or 16 new skils. This to me means I no longer have to sacrifice skills for space.

I do not see the need to change the XHB any further than it is now. If anything, it took some time getting used to but people should not be discouraged to adapt to the new changes

Can you at least make a legacy hotbar happen for controller users? There are a good number of people who have a difficult time with the cross hotbar and wish for a legacy method.

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Originally Posted by Dreaming

Can you at least make a legacy hotbar happen for controller users? There are a good number of people who have a difficult time with the cross hotbar and wish for a legacy method.

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How! I'm so used to my layout now on my XHB it's so amazing to use.

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Originally Posted by Rex

How! I'm so used to my layout now on my XHB it's so amazing to use.

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Well, I've been playing XI for 10 years using a controller, so switching to this XHB is extremely difficult. Also there isn't enough space for all my abilities and I feel like I'm not playing the job to the fullest because of that. It's very frustrating to know that I can't play my full potential on the only way I know how to play. Some people got used to the XHB, I simply can't. 60% of the time I find myself hitting the wrong button or switching targets trying to hit the right button. It'd be so much faster/easier for me if I had a legacy hotbar like 1.0 had. That was the best way for me to play.

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Originally Posted by Dreaming

Well, I've been playing XI for 10 years using a controller, so switching to this XHB is extremely difficult. Also there isn't enough space for all my abilities and I feel like I'm not playing the job to the fullest because of that. It's very frustrating to know that I can't play my full potential on the only way I know how to play. Some people got used to the XHB, I simply can't. 60% of the time I find myself hitting the wrong button or switching targets trying to hit the right button. It'd be so much faster/easier for me if I had a legacy hotbar like 1.0 had. That was the best way for me to play.

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I find the XHB far easier to use than 1.0s, and I played XI for 7 years only on a controller. The system did take a little getting used to, especially as I already had 50 jobs and many abilities. Given the speed of the game is faster than it was in 1.0, the newer version feels better. I do sometimes still hit the wrong buttons (rare, but it happens); then again, I also did the same in 1.0 whenever the nice UI lag made an appearance.

From my own experiences having used both I'd expect that, whilst it may be comfortable for some, it would suffer in game play performance in comparison to kb/m (keybinds help greatly) and controller users using XHB than using a game pad legacy set up.

Not that I don't fully appreciate having more options for those who prefer that system. I just think it would add to problems more than solve them; especially when you meet those kb only "enthusiasts".

My only gripe with the controller is that I have limited options for button binds, particularly the ability to make a button do nothing. I used to have a PTT bind on my pad for raids, so I didn't have to hover my finger over the keybind.

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Originally Posted by Themis

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My problem is that it's inefficient for me, I played on the keyboard one day and the Hotbar was soo much better, but the rest of the controls are incredibly awkward for someone who hasn't played a traditional PC game in over a decade. I want a regular hotbar for the controller because it's what makes sense to my brain. The XHB just doesn't work for me, I want something more traditional.

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There's alot of quotes through this thread that would fit ^^

There's something a number of us would like to see return. While I do find that after a few months of playing just a couple of my jobs some of them have worked into being more or less muscle memory. It still feels extremely awkward, and the ordering/appearance of abilities don't map well into my head. Especially on jobs that have branching combos, like MNK and to a lesser extent WAR. I find that my WAR is actually more clunky and hard to play now than it was in 1.0, and MNK I actually have wrong buttons more often because to map to the controller the combos are kind of all over.

I do understand the other side of the argument though, where it will hamper peoples ability to be constantly on the move. I understand it, but I don't entirely agree with it. There is enough time during the GCD on even the fastest job for a person to cycle through 5+ bars of stuff.

One potential solution:
Having L1/R1 move left/right through a bar, while L2/R2 cycles bars up/down your fingers never leave the analog sticks (aside from targeting). Having 3+ (player choice of 1,3,5 or 7) bars appear at once, like a wheel of sorts, where the center bar is the active one and the others are smaller/faded out. With them being 6~10 actions wide (6wide x 5high you can see the current CD/Proc state for 30 at once, no action is ever more than 5 presses away, on average my time for 5 button presses is under 1 second, far less than any GCD)

Solutions exist, release the add-on tools so we can start making these things real ^^

Definitely a cool idea. Would be nice to just have an alternative that helps people who aren't interested in the XHB but want a fulfilling controller experience.

add-on tools for the PS3 will never happen. the PS4 though is a whole other story. i don't own one. nor have i read much about it. but i would imagine Sony was able to figure out a way to allow modifications without compromising their security. Microsoft did it with the 360 and this is still true. you can buy a developers account for the 360. and while Sony's PS3 allowed modifications through OtherOS. it compromised security and Sony's network got hacked. it caused a lot of damage.

i THINK only firmware 3.43 or 3.41 and before support OtherOS. but without up-to-date firmware you can't play FFXIV:ARR anyhow.

Going back a fairly long way the dev team said that player made add-ons would be PC only. In the case of add-ons that become very widespread and have a high enough demand they will "officially" port the add-on into the game so that it will be available on the console versions. I don't expect to see any player add-on development package for consoles though.

I also imagine that the "officially" imported add-ons for PS3 will be significantly more limited than what eventually finds its way onto the PS4, hardware limitations and all that. Perhaps some of the add-ons for PC that exist in separate processes, like the current parsers, will get ported into second screen apps for the Vita as well. I think I'd like some of those, a gear manager add-on that could store both gear and action bar layouts, a remote inventory, I'm rambling now ...