BLM Silence?

Along with the nerfs we got i thought SE said they were going to give black mages "something more to do on boss fights" and i took this to mean they were spreading the silence role so you didnt need to stack bards. We didnt get anything new, just nerfs

anyone else remember seeing that?

Not really o_o

I don't remember they ever intend to give BLM something more. BLM has always been about the damage without the utility....

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

I don't remember they ever intend to give BLM something more. BLM has always been about the damage without the utility....

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Exactly this.We will be fine.scathe does hurt a tiny bit,but at least freeze has some use now @@

Freeze is still worthless

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

I don't remember they ever intend to give BLM something more. BLM has always been about the damage without the utility....

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aoe sleep, eye for an eye, virus. Yep no utility there.

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Originally Posted by dragonflyseksparade

aoe sleep, eye for an eye, virus. Yep no utility there.

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Lets see,

AoE Sleep: Does it work in Coil or end game content? no? Worthless.

Eye for an eye & virus: u haz smn & sch in group? why u cast weak virus? Add to it eye for an eye is already taken care of.

In reality, BLM in Coil is a damage bot, this is fine. Just please stop pretending we haz utility that we can actually help with outside your fun super hard WP SR.

Edit: I'm not complaining btw, I'm just tired of this misconception. I love my BLM, just please stop BS us and trying to tell us what our job can or can't do, we know better.

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Originally Posted by Biohazard901

Freeze is still worthless

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Crowd control, and its super effective at it, longest bind a class can use, swiftcast makes it instant. It is very useful.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Lets see,

AoE Sleep: Does it work in Coil or en game content? no? Worthless.

Eye for an eye & virus: u haz smn & sch in group? why u cast weak virus? Add to it eye for an eye is already taken care of.

In reality, BLM in Coil is a damage bot, this is fine. Just please stop pretending we haz utility that we can actually help with outside your fun super hard WP SR.

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This ^
I'm afraid that what this haz man says, he haz it right!

or even better, let's go a little further here and use another example of something useless that SE has still not changed:

You enter T1, in mid fight someone misses a silence and you get paralysed.
Oh i know, i've got 10 Spine potions !!
You use one, now it's on cooldown and you look up to find yourself, STILL paralysed.

Says it's meant to remove the effect of paralysis on the bottle! huh?! so what the?

So when are you going to use those potions? Running around fates? that's the place where you most likely WON'T waste them so you can save them for the time you actually need them.

Useless !

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Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful

Crowd control, and its super effective at it, longest bind a class can use, swiftcast makes it instant. It is very useful.

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and they reduced its cast time and its 100 potency now.gonna do well in aoe rotations

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Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful

Crowd control, and its super effective at it, longest bind a class can use, swiftcast makes it instant. It is very useful.

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Tri-disaster is 25y range, 5y spread and a 20sec bind.
As far as utility Eye for an eye is always useful, the more of them the better. Virus is very useful without the buff that arcanist has, most things aren't magic. Sleep can be useful but yeah not in coil.

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Originally Posted by Kenji12

Tri-disaster is 25y range, 5y spread and a 20sec bind.
As far as utility Eye for an eye is always useful, the more of them the better. Virus is very useful without the buff that arcanist has, most things aren't magic. Sleep can be useful but yeah not in coil.

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Lul Eye for an Eye doesn't stack. And and a CHANCE that the mob will do 10% less damage was always a joke imo.

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Originally Posted by Eloc

Along with the nerfs we got i thought SE said they were going to give black mages "something more to do on boss fights" and i took this to mean they were spreading the silence role so you didnt need to stack bards. We didnt get anything new, just nerfs

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I actually do remember that. But you know everyone will always ask for a source. Another thing to throw out there just for vanity reasons I suppose:
Motions and effects have been changed for the following:
Player Actions
Overpower / Holmgang / Shadow Flare / Jump / Spineshatter Dive / Dragonfire Dive / Flash / Holy

So I understand Holmgang since the effect is different now and pulls enemies towards the caster, and drg since animation times are shortened. But the other abilities seem to have a new animation just for vanity, if that\\'s the case why can\\'t we have a better animation for Freeze ? It was quite nice looking in XI and even in 1.0, 2.0 it looks pretty weak and underwhelming.

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Originally Posted by Kyoreore

Lul Eye for an Eye doesn't stack. And and a CHANCE that the mob will do 10% less damage was always a joke imo.

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No it doesn't but with 4 players having a rotation you can keep it on the tank for long extended periods of time, making the it have a high % of up time. In my experience in coil it has very good up time, and very useful.

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Originally Posted by Kyoreore

Lul Eye for an Eye doesn't stack. And and a CHANCE that the mob will do 10% less damage was always a joke imo.

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A CHANCE to apply a 20 sec debuff that reduces the mob's damage dealt by 10% for its entire duration. If you don't think that's any good you should stick to basic dungeons such as WP.

Frankly, if they made lethargy actually useful I'd not care about any of the other changes. I will miss my flare spamming, but c'est la vie.

More than anything I am just annoyed that the devs gave classes traits and abilities that essentially have no use in endgame activities. It smacks of laziness. "We can't balance for blind or slow, so everything at end game will just be immune to it!"

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Lets see,

AoE Sleep: Does it work in Coil or end game content? no? Worthless.

Eye for an eye & virus: u haz smn & sch in group? why u cast weak virus? Add to it eye for an eye is already taken care of.

In reality, BLM in Coil is a damage bot, this is fine. Just please stop pretending we haz utility that we can actually help with outside your fun super hard WP SR.

Edit: I'm not complaining btw, I'm just tired of this misconception. I love my BLM, just please stop BS us and trying to tell us what our job can or can't do, we know better.

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As a raid leader i have to disagree. Virus CD is pretty damn high, so its best to have it down in a rotation. The changes in 2.1 will make it less necessary for a 3rd virus user, however, fights with multi targets (every single fight except for turn 2) will still mean a BLM's virus can still be of use. same goes for rotating eye for an eye when needed.

Give me stun ala FFXI BLM and i'll be a happy camper. It is the thing I miss the most being able to do as blm. stun > silence

BLM is more about the DPS, but I would like to see more things added for them.

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Originally Posted by Seobit

A CHANCE to apply a 20 sec debuff that reduces the mob's damage dealt by 10% for its entire duration. If you don't think that's any good you should stick to basic dungeons such as WP.

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Lol it's just a basic weak skill imo. I use it but I very much dislike it. 10% gtfo. Simmer down little smn.

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Originally Posted by Ixsiehn

As a raid leader i have to disagree. Virus CD is pretty damn high, so its best to have it down in a rotation. The changes in 2.1 will make it less necessary for a 3rd virus user, however, fights with multi targets (every single fight except for turn 2) will still mean a BLM's virus can still be of use. same goes for rotating eye for an eye when needed.

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Hmm, but you just agreed with me. Here look:

"The changes in 2.1 will make it less necessary for a 3rd virus user"

This is what I said:

"u haz smn & sch in group? why u cast weak virus?"

I'm my own raid leader, I'm the one who calls for every single Virus rotation on Twintania in my group to near absolute perfection to every single death sentence. I understand the importance of it, now after 2.1, I only have to call it for my dear SCH and SMN (once I find a new one anyway). BLM Virus is here for backup only now, and the rare situation for multi targets. As for Eye for an Eye, it is the same deal, between SMN & SCH, they have the tank covered, BLM once more is back up.

Please do understand that I'm not complaining at all or think eye for an eye and virus are weak. Matter of fact they are both important. I'm only here fighting the misguided repeated "BLM haz so many utilities" when in reality none of them matter much and at best situational.

Less necessary doesn't mean unnecessary. Not every group runs a SMN. In fact most groups DON'T run a SMN. And some fights have multiple targets you fight against, allowing for more applications of virus.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Once more kind sir, when I made my statement, I made it based on having a smn and sch in group.

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So the utility of an entire class is based solely on your own personal raid setup?

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Originally Posted by Seobit

Less necessary doesn't mean unnecessary. Not every group runs a SMN. In fact most groups DON'T run a SMN. And some fights have multiple targets you fight against, allowing for more applications of virus.

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Once more kind sir, when I made my statement, I made it based on having a smn and sch in group.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

I'm only here fighting the misguided repeated "BLM haz so many utilities" when in reality none of them matter much and at best situational.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Once more kind sir, when I made my statement, I made it based on having a smn and sch in group.

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People who say that might assume you have BLM in your party and said "SMN utilities do not matter much cuz BLM covers all that".

It is the different of viewpoints and I propose this statement instead: "Only one BLM or SMN in a party will do just fine and they can replace each other in terms of utilities they provide". Except for Sleep vs Resurrection tho.

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Originally Posted by P_Wing

People who say that might assume you have BLM in your party and said "SMN utilities do not matter much cuz BLM covers all that".

It is the different of viewpoints and I propose this statement instead: "Only one BLM or SMN in a party will do just fine and they can replace each other in terms of utilities they provide". Except for Sleep vs Resurrection tho.

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Yep, agreed. I guess it is a matter of view point and depends on the availability of a smn in a group.

As for the last part, will lel nubs, who needz res? can smnz sleep wp and run past door to boss? /sarcasm.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

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I'd say black mages has less utility than a bard (i mean, who doesnt?) but overall BLM and Summoners have more utility than the melee. Monks get mantra which is good, but dragoons get a diminshing returns slow, which literally all other DPS classes can get.

Ultimately, BLM utility is situational, i admit, but its still on the better end of the spectrum, and not that unnoticeable as it can really save a tank from taking too much spike damage.

Also, you cant really compare BLM overall utility to your particular raid group where you are stacked with virus users too. It's not fair for the class as a whole.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Lets see,

AoE Sleep: Does it work in Coil or end game content? no? Worthless.

Eye for an eye & virus: u haz smn & sch in group? why u cast weak virus? Add to it eye for an eye is already taken care of.

In reality, BLM in Coil is a damage bot, this is fine. Just please stop pretending we haz utility that we can actually help with outside your fun super hard WP SR.

Edit: I'm not complaining btw, I'm just tired of this misconception. I love my BLM, just please stop BS us and trying to tell us what our job can or can't do, we know better.

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lolwut?

Eye for an Eye and Virus can't have 100% uptime even with SMN and SCH in group. Things have changed with the 2.1 change to virus. But don't kid yourself and think there's no utility.

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Originally Posted by Biohazard901

Freeze is still worthless

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Except that it now replaces blizz2 in our AoE rotation, and allows us to do full rotations from range.