How is this SLIGHTLY more?

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12-16-2013, 10:38 PM
wirewitch

How is this SLIGHTLY more?

The difference in prices between Non Legacy/Legacy for a small, less desirable area of land is 12 million Gill.

8 Million for non Legacy, 20 million for Legacy. That's over 100% more expensive than the non Legacy plot. How is that SLIGHTLY more expensive?

As an aside... since we Legacy were stripped of MOST of our Gil which we managed to save from 1.0 - then assured we would not miss it... well we are now. GIVE IT BACK!
12-16-2013, 10:40 PM
Steady

You're on a server with more gil. They want a gil sink so they adjusted the numbers based on the amount of gil in the world. Sounds right to me.
12-16-2013, 10:40 PM
Noroi_Kisaragi

ITT: Entitlement
12-16-2013, 10:49 PM
wirewitch

White Knight it all you want, YoshiP said the difference in pricing would be slight, he lied. If you can't stand for that to be pointed out, I suggest you leave the forums.
12-16-2013, 10:51 PM
Allyrion

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Originally Posted by wirewitch

White Knight it all you want, YoshiP said the difference in pricing would be slight, he lied. If you can't stand for that to be pointed out, I suggest you leave the forums.

Don't take Japanese phrasing too literally. That's just how they phrase things.
That is all there is to it.
12-16-2013, 10:56 PM
Kallera

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

Don't take Japanese phrasing too literally. That's just how they phrase things.
That is all there is to it.

I'm sure the Japanese language has words for "a lot more" or "a significant amount".
12-16-2013, 10:58 PM
SpookyGhost

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Originally Posted by Steady

You're on a server with more gil. They want a gil sink so they adjusted the numbers based on the amount of gil in the world. Sounds right to me.

A better gil sink is to have the housing at affordable prices. If the prices are too high, no one will buy the houses and the gil circulating in the economy will remain the same.
12-16-2013, 11:02 PM
DokutoruGwydion

It doesn't make sense to me. Why should say my FC be punished when 12 of our 15 players are NEW players while only 3 were legacy so we were on a Legacy server? If we had been on a non-legacy server and re-rolled we might have had enough for the first class small home. But nope, on Legacy thats a HUGE jump.

And just because there is more money out there, doesn't mean it moves. Its like how the market is in real life, banks sit on hundreds of billions of dollars but it doesn't move around at all. End game rich players have no need to spend gil on petty lower things on the AH. If these people all have lvl 50 classes and can just farm say their DL and have no need for lower level gear, then that gear wont sell well.
12-16-2013, 11:02 PM
Allyrion

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Originally Posted by Kallera

I'm sure the Japanese language has words for "a lot more" or "a significant amount".

They understate things as a matter of form.
Clarity is not a priority in their phrasing as it is in English.

I'm not even here to defend the choice or anything. The idea is that he lied when what he said is quite normal when used in Japanese.
A little can mean a lot, but in less blunt terms.
12-16-2013, 11:03 PM
reci

If they want a gil sink, allow players to buy the whole housing instance for a stupidly high price, say 625m gil and let the rest of us, humble players, buy one piece of land for a reasonable price!!! Large rich FC will gladly buy the whole thing for the glory even if it cost an arm. there you go, a targeted gil sink!
12-16-2013, 11:03 PM
AlexNiculaie

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Originally Posted by Steady

You're on a server with more gil. They want a gil sink so they adjusted the numbers based on the amount of gil in the world. Sounds right to me.

The problem with this mentality is that the gil is tied up in the bigger FC's, not the smaller ones, so it is the smaller guys who are being pushed out. Those mega FC's aren't going to go after the tiny one room housing plots in Shanty Town. This doesn't solve anything.

We've been working towards this goal for 3 months already, and because the mega member FC's who sell Titan wins have huge amounts of gil, we are forced to farm 7 days a week for 3 to 6 months just to afford a tic tac plot in the slums? That is piss poor logic at its worst. Keep the nice areas, and bigger plots expensive, but why on earth make the introductory, one room home plots unreasonably high?
12-16-2013, 11:05 PM
Lexxuk

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Originally Posted by Steady

You're on a server with more gil. They want a gil sink so they adjusted the numbers based on the amount of gil in the world. Sounds right to me.

It'd be a gil sink if people were stupid enough to buy at those prices. Now it's nothing more than a disappointment, or are you really expecting people to drop hundreds of millions of gil on something which has no tangible value to themselves? People will pay 100m for an amazing weapon or piece of gear for *themselves*, not sure they would drop 100m gil on land (without house nor furniture).
12-16-2013, 11:09 PM
Seraphita

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

They understate things as a matter of form.
Clarity is not a priority in their phrasing as it is in English.

I'm not even here to defend the choice or anything. The idea is that he lied when what he said is quite normal when used in Japanese.
A little can mean a lot, but in less blunt terms.

You owe me a little money still.
It's 13 million yen!
Sorry, clairty isn't important. LOL!
12-16-2013, 11:11 PM
DokutoruGwydion

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlexNiculaie

The problem with this mentality is that the gil is tied up in the bigger FC's, not the smaller ones, so it is the smaller guys who are being pushed out. Those mega FC's aren't going to go after the tiny one room housing plots in Shanty Town. This doesn't solve anything.

We've been working towards this goal for 3 months already, and because the mega member FC's who sell Titan wins have huge amounts of gil, we are forced to farm 7 days a week for 3 to 6 months just to afford a tic tac plot in the slums? That is piss poor logic at its worst. Keep the nice areas, and bigger plots expensive, but why on earth make the introductory, one room home plots unreasonably high?

Dang you're right I totally forgot about the Titan wins. That was pretty much THE only way to make a ton of money. The market is terrible period. If selling fight wins is how you're going to make money in this game, its just not going to happen.
12-16-2013, 11:11 PM
Allyrion

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Originally Posted by Seraphita

You owe me a little money still.
It's 13 million yen!
Sorry, clairty isn't important. LOL!

I have literally seen cases like this.
Sorry if culture clash is lost upon you.

EDIT:
Phrasing generally understates anything that may be taken negatively and overstates anything positive (unless it's about yourself, of course).
It does not matter if the *actual* case is extremely negative, unless they are being angry then they will understate it as a matter of being polite.
Even if said case is exorbitant, it is considered a matter of being polite which is a higher priority than clarity. This is just a difference in culture.

That doesn't mean the prices are reasonable, it's just the statement is something you would expect given the context.

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Originally Posted by wirewitch

No I understand, the language thing is a problem - however - I am sure YoshiP knows the difference between a little of something and a lot of something.

He said a little, difference, when in fact we're paying more than double.

'Slightly' is a much more acceptable PR than 'You will be paying more than double'.

Yes, you're right about PR but I just mean most JP companies speak in a very polite way to their customers.
That may come across as misleading, but it's not exactly PR fluff either.
No doubt that understating something that may make your customers upset is better PR, but I can't really seem him saying "you will have to pay a lot more" as it will sound too confrontational.
The decision is questionable, but there was no other way he would of said it after making said decision.
12-16-2013, 11:15 PM
wirewitch

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Originally Posted by Allyrion

I have literally seen cases like this.
Sorry if culture clash is lost upon you.

No I understand, the language thing is a problem - however - I am sure YoshiP knows the difference between a little of something and a lot of something.

He said a little, difference, when in fact we're paying more than double.

'Slightly' is a much more acceptable PR than 'You will be paying more than double'.
12-16-2013, 11:18 PM
Lafiele

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

A better gil sink is to have the housing at affordable prices. If the prices are too high, no one will buy the houses and the gil circulating in the economy will remain the same.

That is because the main idea of housing price is not to act as a gil sink lol. People just like to call it that because that is how they understand anything that uses their gil.