I foresee summoners getting kicked out of static groups.

With no more thunder groups may rather want another blm. There may be already some topic on smn giga unexpected nerf, but the possibility of SMN getting KICKED out of groups if they dont have BLM job with same gear is not expressed enough.

There are so many GIFs in the GIF thread that adequately describe yours, and many other reactions to the Thunder thing, that i don't think i could post enough of them here to express my opinion on the rage.

So instead you shall get a:
http://media1.giphy.com/media/eDNpQ6GzOia0E/giphy.gif

I didn't realize thunder was so powerful. . .

also no more class stacking as the more classes you stack the slower the limit break guage will fill up. so no, 2 blm will not make the situation better. just like the gif above. deal with it.

I hope so...I'm looking for a SMN for my group and can't find any :(. So yeah leave your group and join mine, please dear SMNs?

Seriously though, who is in his/her right mind will kick a good player/friend/fc m8 because his/her job got nerfed...that is just stupid.

Edit: SMN are powerful, the nerf won't effect them or their position in any sane hardcore or casual coil group.

Considering that Thunder accounts for 70% of a Summoner's damage they deserve to get kicked.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

I hope so...I'm looking for a SMN for my group and can't find any :(. So yeah leave your group and join mine, please dear SMNs?

Seriously though, who is in his/her right mind will kick a good player/friend/fc m8 because his/her job got nerfed...that is just stupid.

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Trust me, these people actually exist. It is the same people that never looked at wars before and will fall down on their knees before them after 2.1.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

I hope so...I'm looking for a SMN for my group and can't find any :(. So yeah leave your group and join mine, please dear SMNs?

Seriously though, who is in his/her right mind will kick a good player/friend/fc m8 because his/her job got nerfed...that is just stupid.

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Yeah, I'm stuck on that part, too. I was under the impression that statics were static because those people liked playing together. So, if(worst case scenario here), your summoner gets nerfed and it takes you an extra minute to complete the content, you're going to kick your friend out of the group just because he doesn't have your preferred class leveled?

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Originally Posted by PlanckZero

Considering that Thunder accounts for 70% of a Summoner's damage they deserve to get kicked.

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Where are people getting these random numbers? XD

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Originally Posted by Teeko

Where are people getting these random numbers? XD

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99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

...Including that one.

Is this a joke topic?

Not happy with the nerf to SMN's cross-classes and what not, but no lol... just no. Maybe it's just me and my FC but they still very much want me on SMN as my main for coils and other stuff as well. So wow if your static will kick you because of this... find new friends/static peeps, because that's kind of sad...

Summoners being kicked out of statics??? lol, try asking any other dd to revive somebody during combat, ask a blm to do more damage than any decent summoner in turn 2 or any other fight involving a lot of movement. you are being narrow minded, thunder isn't even that good for us without the bonuses

Would be their own fault for grouping with idiots in the first place XD

Great thing about this game is you can play multiple jobs on one character and since its super duper easy to get max level theres no excuse for a SMN to not have BLM leveled. Ya it sucks if a SMN cant play their SMN nemore but at least they can retain their spot in their group for when SMN gets buffed? I put a question mark because imo SMN is still amazing if played right.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

I hope so...I'm looking for a SMN for my group and can't find any :(. So yeah leave your group and join mine, please dear SMNs?

Seriously though, who is in his/her right mind will kick a good player/friend/fc m8 because his/her job got nerfed...that is just stupid.

Edit: SMN are powerful, the nerf won't effect them or their position in any sane hardcore or casual coil group.

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I had friends in wow kick me from a raid static because I was 800dps too low...trust me it happens. People loose their minds over the prospect of Leet gear.

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Originally Posted by Linadae

I had friends in wow kick me from a raid static because I was 800dps too low...trust me it happens. People loose their minds over the prospect of Leet gear.

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This is NOT Wow.

I think you guys are over reacting just a tad ^^; I've been testing on Twintania tonight and not using thunder...my damage is more then fine.

I mean yes...it sucks we are losing thunder, it was really nice DPS. But without it we are still just fine.

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Originally Posted by Babydoll

I think you guys are over reacting just a tad ^^; I've been testing on Twintania tonight and not using thunder...my damage is more then fine.

I mean yes...it sucks we are losing thunder, it was really nice DPS. But without it we are still just fine.

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Did you guys try virus pretending it had 60sec cd?

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Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR

I didn't realize thunder was so powerful. . .

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For a dot-cengric class, losing thunder represents about a 7.5-12% DPS cut, depending who you ask. For static-oriented DPS races in BCB that could be the difference between a win and a wipe.

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Originally Posted by Yuichi

This is NOT Wow.

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No, but I can assure you that this is the reality with some premade groups. Not the really good ones though, but the tryhard-core groups.

I play a summoner and, honestly, I rarely used thunder. I mostly used the main three DoT that come with arcanist and Fester with Bane if there's a group and the tank doesn't suck. I don't use Tridisaster, though, as that just makes the pet stop attacking... Now Blizzard, that I welcome. We so need more viable AoE spells on summoner, Ruin II and Miasma II are the only 'effective' ones we have and that's being generous with the term 'effective'.

I have a BLM with DL and Relic BUT I will rage so hard if people try to kick me. I prefer playing SMN and I avoid BLM at all costs (even DPS ones hurhur). We'll (SMN) do just fine. Stop going on like the sky is falling down!

(With each thread that goes on about SMN, my opinion is leaning more towards "GET OVER IT")

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Originally Posted by ninthfantasy

I have a BLM with DL and Relic BUT I will rage so hard if people try to kick me. I prefer playing SMN and I avoid BLM at all costs (even DPS ones hurhur). We'll (SMN) do just fine. Stop going on like the sky is falling down!

(With each thread that goes on about SMN, my opinion is leaning more towards "GET OVER IT")

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Agree with this. All classes will see nerfs and buffs over the time in this game (even though the mnk buff is beyond me but w/e, that is a completly nother tread) and kicking a member from a static because they are not FotM is in my opinion bad.

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Originally Posted by NeoAmon

Seriously though, who is in his/her right mind will kick a good player/friend/fc m8 because his/her job got nerfed...that is just stupid.

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You sir, would be surprised. Unfortunately, I know more than a few people who would do that.

Considering everyone (even BLMs, lol) is claiming their class is being nerfed to the point of uselessness (or not buffed enough and is still useless) and nobody will ever bring them, I wonder who everybody will bring to dungeons and raids? 4 WARs for WP? 8 WARs for Coil?

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Did you guys try virus pretending it had 60sec cd?

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Yeah, we had no issues with that either :)

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Originally Posted by BlueMage

4 WARs for WP? 8 WARs for Coil?

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1 war 3 monks for WP and 4 war (they got heals) and 4 monks/drgs for coil.

Everyone else got super minor barley anything nerfs and they are screaming. My guess is they are all bads.

If that really is 10% of a smns damage which sounds like a lot of BS to me... but lets go into make believe land for a bit...


Lets say for now we have...

Mnk 400 dps
blm 400 dps
Smn 400 dps
Brd 400 dps

10 minute fight = 960,000 damage

Lets look at the nerfed omg smn is useless now numbers...

Mnk 400 dps
blm 400 dps
Smn 360 dps
Brd 400 dps

10 minute fight = 936,000 damage

960,000 - 936,000 = 24,000 damage

24,000 / 1,560 = 15.3 seconds

15 secs in a 10 minute long fight is nothing. If you are getting booted its because people don't like you.

If a static really needs to run an optimal composition for coil and will kick people out to that end it's a static of bad players. They're compensating.

Same goes for pugs as well. If they insist on the best possible composition they are way more insecure about their own ability than you want in a group.

Hmm... 2 blm's is preferred now, not even considering the incoming patch. BLM are crazy DPS and even more so after the patch.

TBH, I have been playing since launch and haven't seen a single smn in a bcb static group. Our FC doesn't even have a DPS SMN. What SMN's we do have, they are sch's and they don't dps, ever. And of the other smn's we do have they only go SMN to SR wp/ak.

Just saying, they were in a bad spot before this nerf, now they are in a really bad spot.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Hmm... 2 blm's is preferred now, not even considering the incoming patch. BLM are crazy DPS and even more so after the patch.

TBH, I have been playing since launch and haven't seen a single smn in a bcb static group. Our FC doesn't even have a DPS SMN. What SMN's we do have, they are sch's and they don't dps, ever. And of the other smn's we do have they only go SMN to SR wp/ak.

Just saying, they were in a bad spot before this nerf, now they are in a really bad spot.

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Welcome to the Final fantasy community of know nothing know-it-alls...

Smn was in a bad spot... HAHA

If people preferred a BLM over a SMN before this patch then they are really clueless about dps jobs.

On a plus side we lose thunder but pick up blizzard so for wp speed runs we can put up our dots hit bane and then just spam the hell out of blizzard rinse repeat

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Originally Posted by FMElan

99% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

...Including that one.

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"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." - Mark Twain.

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Originally Posted by Linadae

I had friends in wow kick me from a raid static because I was 800dps too low...trust me it happens. People loose their minds over the prospect of Leet gear.

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That must've been at least in Wrath since 800 dps was a lot back then.

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Originally Posted by Pavise

That must've been at least in Wrath since 800 dps was a lot back then.

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lol , nowadays DPS are doing like 400k :O is scary how numbers jumped in wow .....i remember doing a 1000+ crit back then :D ....now ? if u dont crit for over 1M....meh....

Statics are most certainly not the situation in which I would be concerned for a SMN having a place post update. It was generally accepted among those who were into the mathy side of things that the class was fairly potent in its original state and while the loss of Thunder does sting a little bit, it is nothing that cant be adapted to in the long run. The ones you have to worry about are the pug players who will try to fit in with the perceived flavor of the month in terms of efficiency rather than broadening their horizons and doing a little research so that there aren't ridiculously asinine restrictions that SMNs may have to endure when playing in unfamiliar groups(you can liken it to the small stigma MNK had early on and such, or the cries of BRD being top dps when it wasn't particularly close to the top roost, though I digress...)

Mah.. the spell didn't work with bane anyway.. NEXT!!!!

Off-topic: Yamimarik, how did you become a hyur again? O.o

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Originally Posted by Gooner_iBluAirJGR

I didn't realize thunder was so powerful. . .

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Its not, people just need something to cry about;

If you are in a static and you think that it will kick you because your class got nerfed, you shoud leave that static in the first place.