HM Titan Weapon/shield buffed to ilvl 80

I noticed they are buffing HM Titan items from item lvl 70 to 80. I now wonder will it be worth using over Relic and Relic+1 in some cases. This has me interested in possibilities.

I actually didn't notice that but I think its a very cool update! From a monks perspective I get to choose between determination or skill speed (titan weapon vs relic).
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I wouldn't have thought that Titan items would ever be better than the relic +1, considering they are only ilvl80, although I presume they will be competitive with the standard relic item, (better for some jobs, worse for others). However considering that you are guaranteed the relic weapon for beating Titan, unless you happen to already own the Titan weapon, I wouldn't say it was worth taking any time to get in situations where Titan weapon > Relic.

Anybody who cares about the secondary stat differences, will likely care enough to prioritise the relic+1 as an upgrade (or own the allagan weapon).

Only exception might be for BRDs, which I don't play and admit I don't know anything about - but I hear their relic +1 is rather lacklustre compared to their standard relic and not a priority, but i'll let someone who knows BRDs to weigh in on that.

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Originally Posted by DarpaChief

I wouldn't have thought that Titan items would ever be better than the relic +1, considering they are only ilvl80, although I presume they will be competitive with the standard relic item, (better for some jobs, worse for others). However considering that you are guaranteed the relic weapon for beating Titan, unless you happen to already own the Titan weapon, I wouldn't say it was worth taking any time to get in situations where Titan weapon > Relic.

Anybody who cares about the secondary stat differences, will likely care enough to prioritise the relic+1 as an upgrade (or own the allagan weapon).

Only exception might be for BRDs, which I don't play and admit I don't know anything about - but I hear their relic +1 is rather lacklustre compared to their standard relic and not a priority, but i'll let someone who knows BRDs to weigh in on that.

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Exactly. The discussion should be are Extreme mode weapons better than Relic.

It really comes down to a Determination vs Skill Speed. When compare between Titan vs Relic, for Relic +1 it factors into Wpn Dmg. Which I doubt the benefit of Determination can over WPN DMG. But I just find it interesting that this opens up options for jobs that Relic +1 is not a large myth badge upgrade compare to other slots.

My titan items been sitting in my bank (two weeks and I finally get my last ilvl item my weapon) so I am going to use my Titan Axe for a short bit now I think

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

Exactly. The discussion should be are Extreme mode weapons better than Relic.

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I like that point, which also they will have lvl 90 pvp weapons if you noticed, what will its stats be, and can it be used in PvE?

I'd like to see PVP weapons as unusable in PVE situations, certainly with DF. Players exploiting ilvl requirements with their PVP gear is not really something i'd look forward to. That aside, I think the morale stat on ilvl90 PVP weapons will offset the normal secondary stats and keep it worse than the other ilvl90 equipment, and hopefully the ilvl80 gear too.

Extreme mode weapons to me are just weird to introduce now. I haven't read the notes on them but presume they're ilvl90(?). If that's the case then they'll probably make the relic +1 not worth the myth cost, unless the extreme fights are incredibly hard to beat, (which I don't see that being the case for FC groups). I'd rather spend the myth on ilvl90 gear and use the extreme mode weapon.

I would've preferred the extreme modes to drop anything but a weapon.

so in other words the base bravura is totally worthless for wars now >_>

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Originally Posted by 00039

so in other words the base bravura is totally worthless for wars now >_>

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I wouldn't say totally worthless, you're looking at trading skill speed for determination in which skill speed seems to be higher of value to us now with it's impact on wrath generation. Plus killing titan once instead of farming him for a certain weapon makes it all the better for the relic and I mean cmon bravura is such a sweet axe.

Too bad the primal axes look better especially garuda

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Originally Posted by Dyss

I like that point, which also they will have lvl 90 pvp weapons if you noticed, what will its stats be, and can it be used in PvE?

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I think PvP weapons will be useless in PvE cause they will probably have morale on them.

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

Exactly. The discussion should be are Extreme mode weapons better than Relic.

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Academic, probably. I bet you nobody but ilvl90 statics will have a prayer of clearing those. Look at requirements: average ilvl of 70. Titan will require a mere average of 57, and a group full of players meeting only the requirement is likely to fail. I expect the bare-minimum for Ifrit Extreme to be full ilvl90 equipment with ilvl70 melded accessories. Maybe relic+1 for second jobs will be replaced by primal weapons, but you'd have to luck into them as drops from your static, and if you're not that hardcore, then you can shove it.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

Maybe relic+1 for second jobs will be replaced by primal weapons, but you'd have to luck into them as drops from your static, and if you're not that hardcore, then you can shove it.

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The iLv90 Primal Weapons come from a quest, not drops...

I have 3 relics atm for alt classes but I'm not gonna waste myth on +1ing them.

I'd much rather find a decent group and farm Titan for drops than repeating the relic quest over and over again and I'd rather try the extreme primals for the i90 weapon than wasting myth I could be using on my main.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

The iLv90 Primal Weapons come from a quest, not drops...

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You're right. Even better, they're unavailable to any job who can't complete the content, meaning few players without a relic+1 can get them. Vanity gear, go!

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Originally Posted by Dyss

I like that point, which also they will have lvl 90 pvp weapons if you noticed, what will its stats be, and can it be used in PvE?

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I'd say it's very likely that you can, the only problem with them would be that you can rest pretty assured they will have the pvp stat on them, so they'll be missing a stat in pve compared to pve weapons.

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Originally Posted by Ispen

I think PvP weapons will be useless in PvE cause they will probably have morale on them.

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Beat me to it lol. Though depending on what the other stats are, it may not be "useless." I'd be willing to lose a few points in a secondary stat to have a cooler looking weapon, but that's just me though.

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Originally Posted by Gamemako

You're right. Even better, they're unavailable to any job who can't complete the content, meaning few players without a relic+1 can get them. Vanity gear, go!

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I highly doubt you will need Relic Zenith (Gotta get used to calling them this now... Nah, screw it, +1) for the extreme primal fights, with maybe the exception of Ifrit seeing as how it may very well be a DPS race on the nails. Of course, we'll still see shouts, "LFG Garuda Extreme, must have full iLv90 gear!"

I do believe it is possible to clear it with the recommended iLvl. It's just people get too accustomed to overgearing stuff before clearing content which is not how "progression" should go. I'd welcome it with open arms if it is hard, probably this time round I can ride the "buy" runs to earn some gil for my housing.

I have no doubt it will be possible either, however, knowing how the community prefers to overgear content to make it easy... Well, we will see the vocal minority complaining about how things are far too easy yet again.

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Originally Posted by Ispen

I think PvP weapons will be useless in PvE cause they will probably have morale on them.

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Weapon damage is king in this game. While they may only be a stopgap for PvE players, they would be far from worthless. Likely one stat will take up the spot of something like Parry/Determination/ and instead be Morale. The weapon will likely have Vitality in the least.

Unless they totally stop Determination/Crit/SkSpd/CastSpd from functioning in Wolves' Den. Allagan weapon will have an edge and unless again Morale is way overbudgeted, only way I see Morale is that on top of damage contribution it provides damage reduction from players.

Which if given the opportunity most players will go in with Wolves' Armor/Accessories but still wield Allagan weapon. My Allagan Battleaxe shall give me the edge from the get go till I can decide once I hit Rank 30 to see if I should go for Direwolf Weapons. And if you ask me... that is some major advantage.