On average how much dps should I be putting out as a Bard with my Current Gear with and without Buffs.
(Using the Parser, I feel I'm just greatly under preforming and slightly embarrassed if I am.)
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DPS Output, Seeing where I stand.
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12-10-2013, 06:44 PMTweedle_deeDPS Output, Seeing where I stand.
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12-10-2013, 07:06 PMWiseWolfHolo
In terms of what T5? Granted bard is the lowest dps class I still pull out at lowest 250 dps in T5, just remember though bard is more for boosting others than themselves, such as army's for a monk or foe for the mages which the loss of our dps is compensated and with 2.1 will be way overcompensated for the boost we give others. Still not happy about bards being "nerfed" for no reason what so ever, perhaps SE will learn from this mistake and 2.2 will have a bard "boost."
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12-10-2013, 07:10 PMBluetaro
Been parsing different jobs with varying gear levels for a while now.
Regarding bard, I averaged around 160-180 with Mog bow and AK gear.
When I upgraded to Relic and darklight I average around 220-230.
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12-10-2013, 07:16 PMTweedle_dee
@Wise
I know I agree but at the same time, I have a bard in FC Stumpas Stumpas who with less gear then myself... he just wrecks the dps charts. Around 270+(I think) without buffs but I beat him come with buffs so it's really confusing for me atm. Though I might have his dps wrong I just know he's far better raid wise then myself.
@Blue
Okay so am doing okay, Without Buffs I do around 220-230 area (Some allagan (Boots, Earring and Myth hat and Gloes.) but with buffs I do around 430 area when they are up. Though without buffs I feel like am still under preforming comparing to full DL. -
12-10-2013, 07:22 PMExstalIf this is what you believe, I'm convinced you didn't play the game before Coil.Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo
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12-10-2013, 07:27 PMTweedle_deeI myself only played about 15 mins of 1.0 cause I just couldn't enjoy the game Just felt... really unlikable. If I recall that was the only time Coil wasn't around but was around during Early Access and even some Beta (legacy Servers that is but I think that's wrong in terms of the beta part)Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
Bards 100% Uptime + song Utility (Foe Req and Ballad) with a Silence that has no diminishing returns (I think) I can see why they are a bit over powered I just feel my damage is lacking compared to what I should be doing is all. -
12-10-2013, 07:47 PMWiseWolfHologame before coil? not sure what you mean here so if you can help me out here I can try to understand what you meanQuote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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12-10-2013, 07:52 PMExstalWhen Bard DPS is #1? Every place except Coil. Coupled with the fact that they don't have to stop moving allowing them to circumvent pretty much all mechanics while losing little to no DPS. THAT is why they are being nerfed.Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo
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12-10-2013, 08:00 PMWiseWolfHolobards dps number 1. . . not sure how that can be taken. I mean in coil I get way out dpsed by our monk which I should.In other instances such as titan get out dpsed by a smart and skilled drg. With foe requiem which I should play for mages get out dpsed by them. I mean I see no reason to nerf bard when we are the lowest DoW class. If anything SE should consider buffing mages since at moments bards can out dps them. So anyway sure low end content, mages get interrupted because server lag makes them have to move and cast times too long, so what happens when mages cast time is so low moving after almost a second into the cast does not stop the cast from going off, are we going to nerf them then? I did not choose the bard life, the coil group kind of steered me in that direction, in 1.0 I played monk which no1 else did and rather enjoyed it, but right now I made bard my own and right now, in end game, not early content, bard is as I said the lowest DoW dps and again if I play foe I will lose to a summoner, who like 30% of his dps comes from his garuda. Small content before coil really does not count as any clear and cut convincing evidence that bard needs a nerf. Casuals that cannot out dps a bard before the current end game coil and cry for a bard nerf are just bad and compare apples to oranges and just does not add up, is really what I am getting at.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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12-10-2013, 08:02 PMThoraukuThat's the most BS logic I've ever read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
Even if bards can continuously DPS while moving, their DPS is total crap. Heck bards can't even hit for more than 700 with their full buffs.
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12-10-2013, 08:09 PMExstalAs I said, Coil is irrelevant. We know i90 Bard is nothing compared to i90 everything else. It's what is before that which is where the balance is coming from.Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo
I need to play Bard to know who's doing most damage? Since when is that necessary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorauku
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12-10-2013, 08:16 PMWiseWolfHoloWhich is where I hope SE figures out they made a huge mistake with touching bard, because if this pattern continues of omg a class does xyz damage on things that is not current end game and nerfs it, what will it be life as that class in future content. Again this is why I believe SE is only touching bard because of the QQ casuals who do not even know what they are doing as their classes most of which QQers are drgs and have not realized their full dps potential are going to mess up the game in terms of future content. I just wish SE would not listen to their cash cow(casuals) and cater to their needs without listening more to those currently in end game content. If you ask me, as I said, right now buff mages, buff whm, nerf scholar(going cleric, dotting, then going out of cleric keeps the cleric damage, which is broken) and well the only good thing in this whole class change is boosting warrior. Everything else is just a cater to the casuals, yes I just played drg, got my relic and was like omg this class is so easy how does some1 mess this up, again though when the tank moved the boss was like omg my combo but I recovered from that so fast it was funny. I just think bard right now does not need any messing with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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12-10-2013, 08:17 PMThoraukuSo where does your statement came from? From reading forums without actually having to play / test one? Wow, you must be a really reliable source then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
I myself created a Dragoon to actually see where they stand now, and yes, I can really say that Dragoons really need a tweak with their jumps.
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12-10-2013, 08:46 PMExstalI don't know if that's true. FFXI dictates SE isn't too keen on catering to casuals (SMN being trash for years). Catering to hardcore doesn't gain enough money. Only need to mildly keep them interested while making sure to get new players.Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo
- Buff Mages: Probably unlikely due to Musketeer coming into the mix. True Bards will stay and those who only care for Ranged damage will go to Musketeer (probably intended). Mage dps being the highest currently anyway
- Buff WHM: Completely unnecessary. Some reworking of skills like Cure III but overall can't imbalance between this and SCH
- Nerf SCH: Due to the structure of ACN the cleric stance dancing works a little better in the SCH favour but how would you nerf this aspect?
I gave reasons why Bard warranted a nerf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorauku
You didn't need to make Dragoon to see jumps are bad. Watch them use them on anything then watch them get hit by mechanics due to animation lock.
Just like you don't need a Monk to realise when bosses jump off screen for longer than 8 seconds, you're going to lose Greased Lightning stacks.
Some things you either notice or are told by people who live and breathe the class. -
12-10-2013, 09:44 PMZer0mrWat?Quote:
Originally Posted by WiseWolfHolo
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12-10-2013, 09:51 PMWiseWolfHoloWhat do you mean what? All I am saying is honestly idc much about them "touching bard" but more about the future. If they cater too much and nerf classes based off of casuals who are not top end game players their game is going to flop because all that will happen is nerf classes based off of casual progression, most of which do not touch coil and not know their classes potential. Them touching bard just shows that SE has no intention to listen to what end game players really have to say about each class and the future down the line in terms of newer end game content. The point I am trying to say is xyz job maybe the best burst damage/dps now but keep messing with it in terms of nerfs and in the future you will have what you did not want a full support class. Yoshi said they did not want bard to pull as a supportive role as it did in 1.0, but from the so called "adjustments" even though we do not know what they are yet, it certainly seems to be going back to the fail 1.0 support role. Speaking of which why call bard a dps because obviously now it will more than likely not fill that role anymore and should be considered support and therefor have its own duty finder role.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zer0mr
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12-10-2013, 10:06 PMNuffy
With your gear in a patchwerk fight like T1, I would expect something like 235-250 dps. Bards tend to plateu around 300-320 from what I've seen myself in full i90 gear, that is without food or pots.
There is also a lot of mis-information in this thread, once you group gets a high enough ilvl that songs are no longer required for healers, bards are actually fairly competitive in dps. I'm not saying they top charts, but they aren't miles behind anyone else. -
12-10-2013, 10:13 PMTweedle_dee
you know guys we really went off topic you know? xD
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Originally Posted by Nuffy
Thanks I've only gotten a few solid replies to what I made this thread for. ALso that 300-320 is without buffs right? cause I top that much with buffs by a 100 or so.
But am around the 220-230 area atm without. (Mostly 220) -
12-10-2013, 10:37 PMNuffyWhen I say 300-320 I'm talking about DPS or damage per second, not the actually amount of damage you skills are hitting for. Currently, fully buffed, heavy shots and bloodletters creep around the 700 range on a crit, and misery's end can be 850-890 on a crit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tweedle_dee
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12-10-2013, 11:13 PMTweedle_deeya I know you mean Damage per second, I was asking if that was your steady parser damage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nuffy
I guess I just need to work on my over all rotation I guess. -
12-10-2013, 11:41 PMWalielThey're not. I can out damage our 6pc 90 gear bard on every fight with my normal relic+all 70 BLM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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12-11-2013, 12:11 AMCrazypluto
[QUOTE=Exstal;1645329]I don't know if that's true. FFXI dictates SE isn't too keen on catering to casuals (SMN being trash for years). Catering to hardcore doesn't gain enough money. Only need to mildly keep them interested while making sure to get new players.
Where did you get this info?! FFXI has made SE more money then any other game they have ever made, go look it up. -
12-11-2013, 12:15 AMSongiThat's impressive considering I have yet to find any dps in DL or any 70 gear keep up with my bard. Then again, my server is pretty much a casual joke server at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waliel
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12-11-2013, 03:03 AMNuffyI think 70 is a bit of an overstatment, but an equally geared BLM should outdps a bard. "Should"Quote:
Originally Posted by Songi
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12-11-2013, 03:06 AMpandabearcat
Bards have the lowest damage output of all the TP users, unless every formula we know is wrong.
Also, here is another dps thread where there are zero parses.
Do yall know how to compare dps with proof?
AKA this thread isn't very helpful to anyone, doesn't answer OP's question, and yea I know I'm also part of the problem D=
But at least I know I'm just a theorycrafter. -
12-11-2013, 06:36 AMExstalYour Bard is bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Waliel
It was in reference to catering to the balance issues that casuals would have encountered. They did something right to make existing players stay and hardcores not completely leave.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crazypluto
Where did you get this info?! FFXI has made SE more money then any other game they have ever made, go look it up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal
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12-11-2013, 08:10 AMWalielMaybe /shrug. One thing that I find interesting, though, is that it depends on the parser. With the first one I do like 30 DPS more and he does around 10-20 less, leading to upwards of a 50 DPS difference, and with the second we are about even. At least in T1. Need to check that in other fights, too. Then again, when I test against dummies the DPS is about the same for both, maybe a 1-2 difference max.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exstal