Anyone else see this problem with CT's loot system?

With the one loot per week lockout, and the duty finder aspect, what keeps someone from getting their one loot that they wanted and just leaving?

First off, lets say your main tank wanted the tank chest. It drops, and that person wins the roll over your offtank. "Oh my, that's the one I wanted, yay! Ok, bye!" Boom, you are just sitting there for maybe 10-15 minutes waiting for another tank to que. Not only that, your replacement tank qued for a CT "in progress". Why would they be doing that? Most likely they did it to get a drop from a boss further in, say they wanted something off the 2nd boss...and they find out, you are on the 3rd... It could be, your replacement tank is impatient and drops on the spot as soon as they see you killed the boss they wanted.

So yea, 23 people, just standing around. This could happen several times a run. And if a large number people are just sitting around waiting, they aren't going to quit the raid themselves right? :p

I assume CT will only have 3 chests at end, one for each party with 4 drops

Which means it only has 1 level, and 3 paths.

Maybe it'll be like Coil (have to finish and leave to get your loot).

Anyway... to be honest, I do see myself quitting if the stuff I want doesn't drops. I usually don't play for the loot, but lockouts, caps and Coil being level 90 (while I'm still in DL + Vanya) kind of forces me to go for a specific drop. I don't want to be left behind and want to beat Twintania and the extreme primals before 2.2.

Why is this specifically a problem with CT. Such a system allows this to happen with every current dungeon excluding CM/Prae (which only offer tomes) Primals and Coil (which you only attain loot at the end). People drop out all the time in current dungeons for one reason or another, but I've seen many stick it out for tomestones at the end even if the gear they want doesn't drop.

Yea, I guess this isn't really a unique problem.

I guess the unique factor, considering CT, was that it was said that people are only allowed one drop from CT in a given week, then are locked out of future drops until the next week... Saying that, I realize that is only what I heard so.

Can anyone actually confirm that is true? Maybe I was being trolled.

Because if that is true, say a bard boots drops and that bard has it so they pass. Then no one else rolls on it and the only one that wants it, has already gotten something. Would it go to rot?

*returns to search forums*

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Because if that is true, say a bard boots drops and that bard has it so they pass. Then no one else rolls on it and the only one that wants it, has already gotten something. Would it go to rot?

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In theory, yes, it would be wasted/unobtainable and 'rot', any gear that is unwanted by anyone is lost to the void, any gear that is unwanted but not voted upon may be awarded at random or to the last person standing, just like regular loot except this time if you get the loot you're unable to get anything else until next week, so if you don't want something you better pass on it.

I really hope they don't go through with the 1 loot per week loot system and its some sort of mistranslation. Because yes it will be a big problem people who win loot will leave because they have no incentive to stay because they can't win anything else. Lets say there is 5 bosses having 3 or so people drop after every time they get loot, will lead to lots of groups disbanding because there won't be enough people who check the in progress box because it is off by default.

It will make much more sense to allow one NEED roll a week and a few greed rolls (lets say 3 greed rolls, with the tally going down each item you actually get) This will still prevent super farmers from getting ilevel 80 gear the first week. But better then 1 item a week.

Will CT still give tomes? If so I would prolly stick around till the end of the run anyway but I imagine a lot of people might not.

Without knowing the actual system yet, the one thing that I'm concerned about is that you clear the dungeon - get your chest, and nothing drops for your preferred job; no-one greeds because they want main job equipment first, don't want locked out in case the desired piece is in the next coffer, and the run is wasted. This happened to one of my FC Coil goups last night, nothing dropped for a "main job," for the first few turns.

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Originally Posted by Grundy

Without knowing the actual system yet, the one thing that I'm concerned about is that you clear the dungeon - get your chest, and nothing drops for your preferred job; no-one greeds because they want main job equipment first, don't want locked out in case the desired piece is in the next coffer, and the run is wasted. This happened to one of my FC Coil goups last night, nothing dropped for a "main job," for the first few turns.

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You still get tomes, and it's still something to do.

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Originally Posted by Grundy

Without knowing the actual system yet, the one thing that I'm concerned about is that you clear the dungeon - get your chest, and nothing drops for your preferred job; no-one greeds because they want main job equipment first, don't want locked out in case the desired piece is in the next coffer, and the run is wasted. This happened to one of my FC Coil goups last night, nothing dropped for a "main job," for the first few turns.

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Well, that's a risk with every dungeon, isn't it? Admittedly, Coil makes this pretty harsh, but since Crystal Tower can be run as many times as you like in a week, the only difference is that you're waiting for specific items to drop in order to roll, rather than just greeding on everything for the hell of it.

So it seems, for the people that are understanding the translation better than I am and your consensus here, is that the loot is at the very very end of your run?

That sounds like the solution I was searching for, if that is how it is. It does kind of raise the question though, is it scripted more like Castrum more than say, Coil?

If that is the case, I would like to assume there will be more than one boss and being the last boss will probably be some ominous villain we love to hate, the ones before him/her that drop no loot will probably be sort of bland mini bosses. Which is fine but, with the mention of it being a raid, I kind of was thinking something like, boss 1, then boss 2, etc like Coil. Coil, while being less of a surprise anymore, when first ran at launch had bosses that had a few surprises...

Mini bosses in this game so far, seem to like to overwhelm you with their numbers of adds, which aren't really that overwhelming for a organized group.

Stopped reading at "Que"

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Originally Posted by Quiz

Stopped reading at "Que"

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I was quite obviously referring to the villain from Star Trek, for those not understanding his meaning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_%28Star_Trek%29

It was certainly not a spelling error as I am infallible.

As for your disdain for the television character I can understand and agree completely.

The biggest issue i see here is that EVEN IN COIL you can get more than one drop per friggin week. My Tank main/group is damn near geared, so last week i got both a caster ring and a MNK necklace/ring, as they were not needed.

Why do they now want to limit us EVEN MORE than ENDGAME? Really pushes my buttons.

well you can't force ppl to stay.

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Originally Posted by Jinfire

It will make much more sense to allow one NEED roll a week and a few greed rolls (lets say 3 greed rolls, with the tally going down each item you actually get) This will still prevent super farmers from getting ilevel 80 gear the first week. But better then 1 item a week.

Will CT still give tomes? If so I would prolly stick around till the end of the run anyway but I imagine a lot of people might not.

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I agree here. I hope the once per week is on a Need item. Let us Greed to our heart's content. Why let a piece of gear rot just because it's not the item someone on their main class wanted?

Greeding and winning an item will likely not be counted as your one loot win. It makes much more sense to only count the time that you need roll and win. Otherwise, Yoshi's "You can use it to gear your alts" reasoning doesn't make sense because you can't need roll on alt gear anyway.

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Originally Posted by Cherie

I was quite obviously referring to the villain from Star Trek, for those not understanding his meaning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q_%28Star_Trek%29

It was certainly not a spelling error as I am infallible.

As for your disdain for the television character I can understand and agree completely.

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So awesome!

It can be more and like a one and done thing. Way they got it planned, but there time for them to fixed it. Like the great pete caroll: says Work and team work and it over at halftime. When You earn a spot on the roster.
http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/b...tecarroll2.gif

I see a problem with gear progression, then again I always have since Mythology is stupid.

To gear a new Job in iLv80 completely, it'll take at least five weeks, assuming luck is on your side and you don't have terrible runs/bad loot dropping (you're gearing Monk, the only thing that you ever see drop in Crystal Tower all week is Dragoon).
During those five weeks, you can obtain iLv90 for one Job from Coil, again assuming luck is on your side. You can also 2250/3175 Mythology for fully gearing (visible gear) another Job in iLv90.

So basically, if we say most people have one Job in or around iLv90 right now, with Crystal Tower they'll either be gearing purely for vanity, or to seriously gear just two or three Jobs, since the rest can be geared with Coil/Mythology at the same time. What it comes down to is that the rate you progress iLv90 is faster than the rate you progress iLv80, and that is fundamentally stupid.

Honestly, I think it should be a three day lockout. To me, that seems balanced, also Crystal Tower is from Final Fantasy III so they should be playing to the number three as much as possible.

Post here just because I think this is a good concern, I was lazy and missed this thread when I made mine

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Originally Posted by coffeeking

well you can't force ppl to stay.

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They need to have the treasure at the end of the dungeon. The final boss, so people will stay.
But watch we will still have crybabies leaving at the first wipe or something.
It'll take time to get CT down. [I don't think it'll be that hard.] but ugh lol.
Not looking forward to it.

i like the slow progression. thank you Square :)
old school grinding at its best.

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

They need to have the treasure at the end of the dungeon. The final boss, so people will stay.
But watch we will still have crybabies leaving at the first wipe or something.
It'll take time to get CT down. [I don't think it'll be that hard.] but ugh lol.
Not looking forward to it.

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"Looking for DD for CT, must have Coil T5 done."