White mage is the better healer...

Just kidding lol :)

They are probubly the 2 most balanced classes in the game and compliment each other very well.

just wanted to keep the trend of useless threads that never die going for the luls.

I give props to the SCH, I WHM and when i got my SCH to 50 i tried to heal and was so damn confused and lost, making mistakes cause i wanted to cureII abd crap. Glad there is someone out there that can do that amazing class justice

I hardly have time to play so I currently only have WHM at lv50. I have to say that WHM is great, but it's even better if a SCH is with me. Finally beat Titan HM while grouped with a SCH (2 WHMs seemed tougher). The SCH shields + OUR awsome healing owned his face into the ground!

As a tank I'd much rather have both as it just seems to work better.

As a SCH I love a WHM being there to pick up the slack when I'm not mitigating enough damage.

Definitely the best combination (Although BRD and BLM are pretty close!).

Yeah, while I can see why people would find PLD/WAR unbalanced, I think WHM/SCH are extremely well balanced
When you find a team-mate of the opposite job and get to know how the other plays the role, you can heal through anything.
Great synergy.

Can you stack 2 whm? yes. can you stack 2 sch? yes, but its so painful to watch.

In late end game.. I'm talking Twintania etc.. SCH absolutely outclasses WHM by a mile. WHM has the upper hand with mid-game content such as Titan HM.

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Originally Posted by MirajaneStrauss

In late end game.. I'm talking Twintania etc.. SCH absolutely outclasses WHM by a mile. WHM has the upper hand with mid-game content such as Titan HM.

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Come on.. SCH is important on Twintania but seriously..You need a WHM as well to be able to do this fight.
When are people going to freaking stop with throwing Hyperbole around. Please?

I had the opportunity to play both WHM and SCH in coil and both are needed. Fullstop!

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Originally Posted by Kyomih

Come on.. SCH is important on Twintania but seriously..You need a WHM as well to be able to do this fight.
When are people going to freaking stop with throwing Hyperbole around. Please?

I had the opportunity to play both WHM and SCH in coil and both are needed. Fullstop!

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I never mentioned once that a WHM isn't needed for Twint; however, you can't ignore the fact that the only reason why a WHM is even there is for their Medica II on fireballs. Past that second phase, the fight/heals falls almost entirely on the SCH.

Here's my breakdown (very simple)

SCH Adv:
1. MP management.
2. Single Target Healing.
3. Damage Mitigation
4. Mobility
5. Debuffs
6. Aggro control

WHM Adv.
1. Multi target healing
2. Buffs
3. Larger heals per cast.
4. Holy - cause it stuns
5. Holy - cause it does decent dmg
6. Holy - cause its pretty.

Right, because all the constant big spot heals are totally not needed and useless. It's fun how the tone has changed from omg SCH is totally useless to omg SCH is so much superior now that people actually understand the mechanics of the SCH.
Yet now all of a sudden the big constant direct healing on tanks to supplement the SCH shields is totally not important anymore.

Just because on your list the SCH has more utility doesn't mean it makes him/her a better healer. It makes him a DIFFERENT healer.
And seriously? So let the WHM sit down and die past fireballs and see if the SCH can keep the fight up on his own.

God..or even better..do the fight with two SCH.
You obviously haven't played a WHM in coil :)

Because I play both in Coil and I can tell that you NEED both.

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Originally Posted by MirajaneStrauss

I never mentioned once that a WHM isn't needed for Twint; however, you can't ignore the fact that the only reason why a WHM is even there is for their Medica II on fireballs. Past that second phase, the fight/heals falls almost entirely on the SCH.

Here's my breakdown (very simple)

SCH Adv:
1. MP management.
2. Single Target Healing.
3. Damage Mitigation
4. Mobility
5. Debuffs
6. Aggro control

WHM Adv.
1. Multi target healing
2. Buffs
3. Larger heals per cast.
4. Holy - cause it stuns
5. Holy - cause it does decent dmg
6. Holy - cause its pretty.

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Originally Posted by Kyomih

Right, because all the constant big spot heals are totally not needed and useless. It's fun how the tone has changed from omg SCH is totally useless to omg SCH is so much superior now that people actually understand the mechanics of the SCH.
Yet now all of a sudden the big constant direct healing on tanks to supplement the SCH shields is totally not important anymore.

Just because on your list the SCH has more utility doesn't mean it makes him/her a better healer. It makes him a DIFFERENT healer.
And seriously? So let the WHM sit down and die past fireballs and see if the SCH can keep the fight up on his own.

God..or even better..do the fight with two SCH.
You obviously haven't played a WHM in coil :)

Because I play both in Coil and I can tell that you NEED both.

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Just bring two SCH. Why even bring WHM?

PvP will be interesting when the other team just 3 or 4 shots the fairy over and over. Wait till we see those threads /sigh.

Personally, I've never had an easier time than when there's me on WHM and a semi-decent SCH in party. The synergy is just awesome, and assuming the SCH doesn't totally suck, it's much easier on both of us than if I was partied with a second WHM. Even a really well-geared WHM won't make as good a partnership as a WHM and SCH together.

Underestimating the synergy between whm and sch methinks. We had a Twintania run where I got hit by a bugged perma prison a few moments before twister phase ended leaving the sch to solo heal from then on. Whilst it was a valiant effort, we wiped at ~5% or so as he just flat ran out of MP rather quickly. I highly doubt I would have fared any better myself if the tables were turned, but as a team together we waltz it in comfort with plenty of mp to spare due to the combination of stoneskin & adloq as well as our debuff rotations rendering death sentence a non event.

As a career WHM, I absolutely LOVE a SCH partner. SCH is amazing. I really really want to learn it and be good at it! I have recently taken SCH to 50, although it's certainly a tricky situation. You don't get to touch the job til you're Lvl 30 (and prior to this you've been a "DD" soloer), and then if you are simply leveling a subsequent class, you're really not getting experience with party-play until 50 (although I did run a few 30's dungeons while leveling, just to see how it was). I want SCH to be my 2nd relic, but I feel so inexperienced the way it rolls out. I guess the best way to get started is queue up CM for practice. I cannot imagine healing AK on SCH though, but I guess I'll find out. ^^;

It has been said before SCH is proactive and WHM is reactive I would put my abilities of OH $#^% healing and tank top off over a SCH any day of the week, my ability to bring a pt back from the brink is superior that all stated I am nothing compared to the SCH when it comes to keeping a pt from getting into a tough spot in the first place, I do not have the staying power mp wise and in that way I cannot compare. We are Yin and Yang and I would always choose to PT with another SCH over another WHM just because of how amazing the team up is. I think it is a silly thing to say WHM is better or SCH is better, WHM is better pound for pound on cures SCH is better at dmg mitigation and staying power but neither is better than the other. I <3 SCH I will never be one, I will never level it up personally but I would not be as good at what I do if it were not for them.

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Originally Posted by MirajaneStrauss

In late end game.. I'm talking Twintania etc.. SCH absolutely outclasses WHM by a mile. WHM has the upper hand with mid-game content such as Titan HM.

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What? Have you even been in Coil? Turn 1, when Cad splits, let me tell you if there is a warrior tank in there my SCH partner sure as hell isnt keeping him up, its simply impossible. And before you start blabbing about not taking warriors into coil, just stop. I love a warrior/pld set up. I am happiest as a whm with a SCH partner. I can heal just fine with another whm but its a bit of a pain, someone has to watch party heals, thats what faeries are for.

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Originally Posted by Yurikitty

What? Have you even been in Coil? Turn 1, when Cad splits, let me tell you if there is a warrior tank in there my SCH partner sure as hell isnt keeping him up, its simply impossible.

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What gives you the idea that it's impossible for a SCH to keep a WAR tank up on Cad? Are you unfamiliar with how good SCH single-target healing is? If anything, party heals are handled far more effectively by the WHM than by a fairy on auto-pilot.

I don't think she meant it literally obviously two SCH and do it just like two WHM can do it the point was just to defend her job when it comes to Coil.

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Originally Posted by Yurikitty

What? Have you even been in Coil? Turn 1, when Cad splits, let me tell you if there is a warrior tank in there my SCH partner sure as hell isnt keeping him up, its simply impossible. And before you start blabbing about not taking warriors into coil, just stop. I love a warrior/pld set up. I am happiest as a whm with a SCH partner. I can heal just fine with another whm but its a bit of a pain, someone has to watch party heals, thats what faeries are for.

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I've beaten Twintania.. Go away.

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Originally Posted by Aphrini

I don't think she meant it literally obviously two SCH and do it just like two WHM can do it the point was just to defend her job when it comes to Coil.

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I don't think WHM or SCH need to defend their positions at all. If people are not running SCH+WHM on Coil then they're making it needlessly harder on themselves, though that's a personal decision of people as to the people they want to play with and compositions they want to run. I know this thread was intended as a joke, and I agree with the OP: I think WHM and SCH are both in a pretty good and balanced place atm and don't need much changing, though I'm interested to see where the classes go in the future.

That's what I like about the healer forum. So many other classes/roles are busy yelling at each to stop being perceived as better than them so that whatever class they're playing will become/stay number one (as far as common perception is concerned). Generally the healers are just like "We're a healing team. Those other guys are pretty cool."

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Originally Posted by Exstal

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Just bring two SCH. Why even bring WHM?

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Actually two Scholars would make Twintania a joke to heal.. again though, that medica II on fireball is convenient.

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Originally Posted by HiliteOrin

I don't think WHM or SCH need to defend their positions at all. If people are not running SCH+WHM on Coil then they're making it needlessly harder on themselves, though that's a personal decision of people as to the people they want to play with and compositions they want to run. I know this thread was intended as a joke, and I agree with the OP: I think WHM and SCH are both in a pretty good and balanced place atm and don't need much changing, though I'm interested to see where the classes go in the future.

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We are in 100% agreement, I <3 my SCH long time, I would be half the healer without you guys and that is the non-arguable truth.

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Originally Posted by Yurikitty

What? Have you even been in Coil? Turn 1, when Cad splits, let me tell you if there is a warrior tank in there my SCH partner sure as hell isnt keeping him up, its simply impossible. And before you start blabbing about not taking warriors into coil, just stop. I love a warrior/pld set up. I am happiest as a whm with a SCH partner. I can heal just fine with another whm but its a bit of a pain, someone has to watch party heals, thats what faeries are for.

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Second comment:

Dump that SCH if he can't keep up a single tank....

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Originally Posted by Aphrini

I don't think she meant it literally obviously two SCH and do it just like two WHM can do it the point was just to defend her job when it comes to Coil.

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There's no defending needed. WHM and SCH comp is bar none far better than 2WHM or 2SCH.

The issue is, if you weigh the pros and cons of each class.. SCH is just.. well better.

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Originally Posted by MirajaneStrauss

There's no defending needed. WHM and SCH comp is bar none far better than 2WHM or 2SCH.

The issue is, if you weigh the pros and cons of each class.. SCH is just.. well better.

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Yeah no need to defend at all *Eye Rolls* "SCH is just.. well better" Tell you what we will see what your pt thinks in a everyone is about to drop all at once my DS + Medica II owns your face and there is no arguing that. Again, both are used in their own way and best work with each other not against. No need to try and prove one is better than the other because it is situational, btw WHM has been in this whole healing biz just a little longer so by way of pure veteran FF status we win :P

Not sure how these threads get started, or how they derail so badly from the OP's original intent. Yes both classes have pro's and con's in different situations. I personally believe they synergize extremely well vs having 2 of each in a particular party, however that's just my opinion and it's based on experience.

I feel Coil: Turn 1 is lazier with 2 White Mages instead of a White Mage and a Scholar. The reason I say this is because we run with a Paladin/Warrior combination, and we don't kite the snakes, or bring adds for them to munch on, we just let the stacks go until the tanks are getting hit for god knows what kind of damage.

Turn 2 through Twintania I prefer a Scholar counter-part to my White Mage. We know each others habits and don't step on each others toes so to speak. I'm sure the same could be said about 2 White Mages or 2 Scholars who have played together for as long as we have. But again I'm just basing it off my experience. I'm not saying one is better then the other, just saying they are awesome as a pair and shouldn't be broken up.

It doesn't matter what your potency is or how much can you heal or what your class is.

If you keep your party alive without wiping then mission accomplished. You did your job and what you are supposed to do perfectly.

You are the better healer.

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Originally Posted by MirajaneStrauss

WHM has the upper hand with mid-game content such as Titan HM.

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Confirmed troll post

Here I was thinking this thread was created to give each other a pat on the back and a thank you but it has been turned into a flaming pile of "who's better or worse"... wow.

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Originally Posted by Euphe

Here I was thinking this thread was created to give each other a pat on the back and a thank you but it has been turned into a flaming pile of "who's better or worse"... wow.

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Your spam post is worse than mine.

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Here I was thinking this thread was created to give each other a pat on the back and a thank you but it has been turned into a flaming pile of "who's better or worse"... wow.

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ikr. Guess some people just cant get along.

Personally, I like having one of each in my party, they tend to balance out well. I also personally prefer have the whm on tanks and scholar on raid heals, but that's also individual preference. I do think there needs to be some changes (give scholar the damn real protect) but otherwise don't really see much difference between the two. But to the person who was talking about PVP, summoners and scholars have the most chances of being OP in PVP. They can neuter heals with Miasma/Miasma II, Summoner can kite and kill with pets, or in the case of ranged dps, dots and heal self. Should you focus on pets, that frees up both classes to cast spells, rejuvenating parties or damaging you with dots which again lead to more kiting with both classes.

Well, I read through this thread hoping to get some information about both healing jobs. It started out nice. Sadly there is this one SCH trying to force his/her opinion. I love the "I've done this, so go away" argument, which isn't an argument. 12 y/o probably..

It seems like WHM and SCH is the way to go. I guess I then lvl a SCH since the healer in our static mains WHM. I just love how the book looks! Only concern is if it's too pet-dependent. I want to do all on myself if possible. :D

I wouldn't say it's pet dependent, but Eos and Selene are a great help when it comes to healing as they're usually capable of keeping the DPS members alive by themselves. Even more so if you use Rouse on them.

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Originally Posted by abzoluut

It seems like WHM and SCH is the way to go. I guess I then lvl a SCH since the healer in our static mains WHM. I just love how the book looks! Only concern is if it's too pet-dependent. I want to do all on myself if possible. :D

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Like the poster above me, I agree that it isn't a fully pet dependent job. The fairies can help you get your raw heals up to a cure 2 level if you macro-ed them together (which I plan to do come 2.1 :P) but physick + adlo does the job well enough on it's own. I know a lot of people say that we HAVE TO micro manage our pets but I'm up to coil turn 2 now and I haven't been in a situation yet where not micro-ing Eos has killed the raid. I agree that the AI is pretty retarded at times but smart placement of your pet can mitigate a lot of stray heals. I personally like letting her do whatever she wants because it means I don't have to worry about healing my DPS too much.

The only drawback is the spamming of CDs at absolute retarded times but unless you're someone who has to get max output out of your job at all times, it's not really an issue. I just let her spam them and not worry about it too much. Maybe that mindset of mine will change once 2.1 comes and I can macro her CDs to steady.

I agree, both jobs definitely have their advantages and disadvantages but if I had to choose one, I'll go with whm. Regardless, as long as the player is competent, both healers are more than viable for ALL content. That's right, ALL. White Mage or Scholar? Just give me a damn healer man, who cares.

The problem lies with current mechanics, though.
The fact that tanks can get crit and basically one shot makes mitigation and Adlo shields VERY powerful. Not to mention a SCH can Adlo AND Stoneskin which leaves WHM only with Stoneskin as mitigation.
Of course on the other hand you can argue that proper Protect is worth it, too :)