I was wondering some things about Quelling Strikes, on how it works exactly, since based on this there are optimals way to use it for maximum enmity reduction.
What I was wondering is, how exactly does quelling lower your enmity? Does it:
Lower your enmity on each attack
1) based on a % of your current enmity?
2) based on a % of the damage of the attack
3) with a static amount? if this -> does the static amount scale?
Also how does it work with auto attacks? And with DoT's (initial damage and DoT ticks).
Any input on this is greatly appreciated!
Quelling strikes -> how does it exactly work?
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12-02-2013, 12:16 AMTempestZaneQuelling strikes -> how does it exactly work?
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12-02-2013, 12:26 AMKevee
All actions(and Quelling Strike itself) done while the buff is present generate 50% enmity.
Same with any other buffs/debuffs, DoTs take a snapshot when they are applied. -
12-02-2013, 04:04 AMTempestZaneThanks alot!Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevee
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12-03-2013, 06:53 AMRyuDragnierAdding to this, it's best to save Quelling Strikes for when you're near the 75% mark on the aggro meter to avoid taking aggro from the tank, or when you're about to do anything that is known to grab more aggro, such as using Blood for Blood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevee
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12-03-2013, 07:04 AMOrophin
As a BLM I'll usually open up with Quelling + Raging Strikes so that I can start heavy on a target and then my enmity is in check for the rest of the fight usually. I've seen many Bards be guilty of just opening up hard on a boss without using Quelling and they wonder why things go running after them.
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12-03-2013, 10:02 AMRyuDragnierThey're usually also foolish enough to hit the boss before giving the tank enough time to grab all the aggro. Though, I've seen many DPS and even some healers guilty of grabbing aggro before the tank does at the start of a boss fight. A shame not everybody can have on Quelling Strikes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
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12-03-2013, 10:18 AMEnfariousI think this is the best way to open for any job that can bring Quelling, it allows the tank to build it's total enmity while the DD can still go all out. Most fights are much smoother this way, just too bad every DD can't Quelling StrikeQuote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
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12-03-2013, 11:11 AMPArcherWhile I can't say anything for MNK, DRG really don't need it unless we're AoEing at the beginning; our damage takes time to ramp up and if the tank can't handle aggro in that period of time either they're vastly undergeared (compared to DRG), targeting the wrong enemy (I don't know how many tanks I've DFed that mark enemies...then attack #2 while DPS is starting on #1...) or just doesn't know what to do. And if all else fails we have an emergency aggro dump: Evasive Jump.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enfarious
Would Raging/Quelling Strikes be nice on the DRG? Of course! Is Quelling necessary as we are right now? Would be nice, but isn't a necessity... -
12-03-2013, 03:08 PMAkirakogami
don't know what it does. i use it early in the fight when i'm still getting yellow hate. I get green again after a few rounds.
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12-03-2013, 03:42 PMwintersky
as bard, open boss fights with SS then QS, pop buffs and go all out. you will not pull aggro even off a gimp tank, and your buff timers will reset that much quicker. QS is about our best ability overall in terms of utility. also, you cannot overwrite DoTs cast under buffs that strengthen them, so baddies will get a better sense of when to recast (read: after it drops).
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12-03-2013, 10:41 PMEnfariousFair points, alot of my memories of Drg are from 1.0, and in 1.0 w/o Elusive Jump and Quelling Strikes I ran red alot, but all DDs ran red alot in 1.0. Mnk is a similar story, Brd would be if they couldn't land their most damaging hits before a tank can finish a combo, Blm would be the only job with any real hate control issues. Oh and Whm ... but that's a whole other deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by PArcher
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01-15-2014, 08:58 AMLegend_
I'm leveling Archer for Quelling Strikes at level 34 just for my Blackmage.
Would I be wrong going straight to level 34 without getting the Bard Soul Gem? Level 30 I get MP Regen for party and some main stats boost.
My PUG is only level 8(need to to be 15) and don't plan on taking Bard/Archer passed 34....ever. -
01-15-2014, 12:29 PMShamirah
If you don't plan to level up your archer... I don't see any reason to do the job quest.
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01-15-2014, 12:34 PMLegend_Just to 34 that's it, the only one or two dungeons I can use ballad in, Bray Fox and maybe Manor. I just don't want to short change the team allot the few times I'll be thereQuote:
Originally Posted by Shamirah
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01-15-2014, 03:01 PMLegend_
Well, I'm only 50k out now just going to ride it out. It's been fun while it lasted I'm burning all this great soon
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07-09-2016, 09:26 PMTarragonXAh Could you elaborate on your last sentence? Do you mean that someone else cannot put the same DOT as you did if you applied the DOT while under the effect of buffs?Quote:
Originally Posted by wintersky
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07-10-2016, 05:57 PMFrizze
The dead walk among us! Run for your lives!
Jokes aside, i think what that person was saying is that you shouldnt recast buffed DoTs until they expire. When you apply a DoT, the game snapshots your current buffs so that if a buff expires before the DoT does then the DoT remains at the strength it was cast at. When you re-apply the DoT the game rechecks your buffs, and you might lose some strength off it if you reapply too soon. So the person you quoted was probly advising letting a buffed DoT expire before reapplying to assure full strength all the way through. Probly. Its also possible some mechanics have changed in the 2 and a half years since that post. -
07-11-2016, 08:20 AMlyndwyrmIt was also true at 2.0 until some point (I'm having trouble finding the patch/hotifx in particular) that you could not overwrite DoTs with a weaker version of the DoT, which would include buffs like Quelling Strikes. Now however, you totally can. So the statementQuote:
Originally Posted by Frizze
is just outdated.Quote:
also, you cannot overwrite DoTs cast under buffs that strengthen them
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07-11-2016, 10:44 AMFrizze
Like i said...
And indeed, it sounds like that was correct. I started playing right around when HW launched, so i dont know what things were like back then. Of course, potentially outdated info is why i made the joke about raising the thread from the dead. And now im just making it worse by continuing to respond.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frizze
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07-11-2016, 08:25 PMruskieUs bards like to play this game of who can hold aggro ;P and quelling strikes is something for black mages XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
Frankly by the time my biggest burst comes in for me quelling strikes usually fall off a second or so earlier. So usually I just don't bother. If you can't have enough aggro after 14s or so to hold then idk... -
07-11-2016, 09:46 PMTsilyi
Even if it drops before you use things like sidewinder and barrage+ea it's still worthwhile to quell your initial attacks. Why not use the skill instead of not using it? :O
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07-11-2016, 11:50 PMAskaRayWheres the fun in thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Tsilyi
Gotta make the tank sweat for a bit -
07-11-2016, 11:51 PMTsilyi
Making them sweat, sure... but if I don't quell it ends up in me becoming the tank and I didn't sign up for that :<
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07-12-2016, 06:00 AMAskaRayBard tank is OP though!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsilyi
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07-12-2016, 07:47 AMvp_cmcFun is in still taking aggro from tank while using quelling strikesQuote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay
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07-12-2016, 06:13 PMFrizzeIve got a tank friend i do this to myself(not usually in PUGs though, i dont really trust randos). BLaMo tank is fun, and im not afraid of taking a hit or two.Quote:
Originally Posted by AskaRay