[Suggestion] Allow 100% sp/exp for multi mob kills

This has been something that has bothered me for some time about FFXIV.

If I'm fighting a mob and I get an add I only get sp/xp proportional to it's HP when the monster becomes claimed. I did all the work to stay alive and fight off multiple monsters but I get such a small amount of SP/XP in return for the effort.


So please, please please reward us for using our AOE spells and abilities on non Behest or Guildleve targets.

I agree with this greatly. Also, while it may throw a slight kink into balancing(this is only a suggestion after all), I think that to make more use of AoE abilities that all classes have access to, it might be worth looking into certain enemies travel in small packs or herds maybe.

Total XP/SP earned could be at a fixed amount for taking on these two mobs at the same time, but I feel it would give a bit more of a dynamic feel to combat if you're going mano a mano against a puk and its sibling/mate. Might open up more party strategies.

They're doing this to prevent exploiting of some kind, but I frankly don't see how it could be used to exploit, since a mage AoEing multiple mobs is going to aggro all of those mobs and, if s/he can't handle that aggro, die.

Anti-RMT tactics. They're preventing RMT from AoE grinding to the top; which would work quite well seeing as every damn move is AoE.

I'd say if its an inconvenience to the players, and it is, get rid of it. Don't hurt the playerbase cause of what people will be able to do with certain mechanics.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

This has been something that has bothered me for some time about FFXIV.

If I'm fighting a mob and I get an add I only get sp/xp proportional to it's HP when the monster becomes claimed. I did all the work to stay alive and fight off multiple monsters but I get such a small amount of SP/XP in return for the effort.


So please, please please reward us for using our AOE spells and abilities on non Behest or Guildleve targets.

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"YOUR SP GRIPES IS FORFEIT TO ME!"

The mobs in your leve quest can't be claimed by anyone else - make these mobs ALL claimed for the duration of the leve. That would solve this SP punishment issue.

yes i agree with this a lot, they pushing this party vs party thing and then we get here and it's like we can't kill multiple mobs less they are linked and no normal grind mobs are. they should make all mobs that get hit be added to the party vs party and allow full sp. i don't care bout this rmt prevention, prevent it in a different way.i'd suggest some rmt prevention methods but it's not my job and i'm sure u know what your doing anyway SE. i love killing multiple mobs at a time, fact they should add sp grind mobs that are linked at the very least, give us packs of dogs not one to kill for grinding, crazy 2-3mole battles as a grind this is great party vs party but for the grind not just boring leves. if anything drop the sp dramaticly and accordingly so u can do this.

also i'll add on this post while the thought is there, they need to make each star worth just that much more sp in leve links, we can do 2stars and run threw them with our eyes closed and still get same sp as the people trying to do them at 3-4stars, and 5 isn't ever attempted outside of a full tier below u'r level. this needs a huge tweaking in my opinion. let the option of 4 or 5 stars be so much more worth it that the extra hour was worth it.

They're trying to prevent things like SMN burn. And I agree with them.

I think it should stay the same. Someone said Mage AOEs will just kill them off, Well what about all of the other jobs AOE/Cone abilities.

It should stay to prevent people from grinding to 50 in 4 days. If people were able to just AOE happy their way to the top, they also wouldnt have a clue on how true party mechanics work either like hate management or tanking.

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Originally Posted by Demoleon

I think it should stay the same. Someone said Mage AOEs will just kill them off, Well what about all of the other jobs AOE/Cone abilities.

It should stay to prevent people from grinding to 50 in 4 days. If people were able to just AOE happy their way to the top, they also wouldnt have a clue on how true party mechanics work either like hate management or tanking.

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...The point really is that if you AoE 5 monsters and are able to kill them all then why do you not deserve the SP for all 5? If they were low ranked monsters and you AoE'd them you would get crappy SP/Exp anyways so you can't really grind off of it, however if they are tougher monsters, why should you get less SP/Exp for achieving that feat?

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Originally Posted by edgar131

...The point really is that if you AoE 5 monsters and are able to kill them all then why do you not deserve the SP for all 5? If they were low ranked monsters and you AoE'd them you would get crappy SP/Exp anyways so you can't really grind off of it, however if they are tougher monsters, why should you get less SP/Exp for achieving that feat?

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Agree completely.

What exactly are we going to be AoEing that's going to be worth "grinding" anyway?

They could just put a cap on the amount of claimed mobs you could have something like 3, this would help if you pulled agro in a party so you could actually deal with it, instead of being scared to touch it incase you lose SP.

Also SMN burns and AOE burns would be difficult as you can't round up a huge amount of mobs in this to AOE as they would all return to their zone unlike in FFXI.

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Originally Posted by AlexiaKidd

They could just put a cap on the amount of claimed mobs you could have something like 3, this would help if you pulled agro in a party so you could actually deal with it, instead of being scared to touch it incase you lose SP.

Also SMN burns and AOE burns would be difficult as you can't round up a huge amount of mobs in this to AOE as they would all return to their zone unlike in FFXI.

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Yeah I was thinking 3-5 (ungrouped) mobs would be the cap for AOE.
It just really annoys me that if I kill more than 1 mob at a time you don't get rewarded for it.

think i said this on a diff post but it suits this convo on this post, but make a number of mobs killed worth the full points and any others worth less or almost none. accordingly to what se see's fit. like nuke 5mobs first 2 are worth full points then 2 are half and the 5th would be worth like 3/4ths of the sp. that way u can kill parties worth if u can but that summoner cheating round up won't work cause anything more then that won't yeild u sp, u'll get like 1sp any extra kill.

Astral burning like in FFXI would be harder to do in FFXIV because you could only gather so many mobs before they start returning to their territory.

To balance it further, just put in a restriction of only 5 normal mob claims max, at once.

The concept of mob claiming is almost FF-online exclusive. I understand they want to prevent "mob griefing/stealing" or "RMT tactics", but they can't do so at the expense of how intelligent players play. This is one of the great limitations on the game right now that doesn't get nearly enough attention.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

This has been something that has bothered me for some time about FFXIV.

If I'm fighting a mob and I get an add I only get sp/xp proportional to it's HP when the monster becomes claimed. I did all the work to stay alive and fight off multiple monsters but I get such a small amount of SP/XP in return for the effort.


So please, please please reward us for using our AOE spells and abilities on non Behest or Guildleve targets.

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I strongly agree!

I totally agree with the OP. Also, mob leashing prevents any exploitable behavior.

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Originally Posted by Balbanes

They're trying to prevent things like SMN burn. And I agree with them.

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Mob leashing prevents astral burn parties from working in XIV. The only reason AB parties were any good was because you could pull the whole zone to one spot. You simply can't do that in XIV due to other mechanics that are already in place (namely: mob leashing).

Smart players wouldn't AoE and would be more careful of what mobs they aggro. Just because you can kill a number of mobs with AoE attacks does it mean you should get more SP than someone else who has no AoE attacks? They way it is at the moment is fair for all classes to level up at a reasonable speed. Doing it any other way would give AoE heavy classes a huge boost in SP gain while giving anyone without AoE skills a disadvantage when it comes to grinding.

There really needs to be more incentive in this game for people to use single target skills instead of constant AoE's, like reduced damage/healing and increased MP costs.

Upon further consideration, this might work if damage from AoE attacks is dispersed in the same manner damage from 1000 needles is dispersed.

the only problem to me would be if you could cast an aoe spell and get sp off all of the mobs i'd see mages grinding in lower areas. sure they would not get as much sp per kill but if they got 50 a kill from 1 shotting a low mob and could pull 5 at once they'd get 250sp for a 1 shot kill. i like the extra sp for killing tougher mobs not being able to sit and kill a bunch of low stuff.

i am not opposed to the idea i just wanted to point out the negatives i could see happening.

If you're high enough rank to one-shot something, you'll be getting less than 50SP.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

If you're high enough rank to one-shot something, you'll be getting less than 50SP.

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incorrect arc and thm have many mobs that you can one shot, but get 65+sp

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

incorrect arc and thm have many mobs that you can one shot, but get 65+sp

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ARC can do that, yeah, but it's only single target.

THM can do it with Shadowsear or profundity II + Blood Rite II + Scourge II, but even with Chainspell + Shadowsear, you'd only be able to do those 3 attacks every 5 minutes or so. Include the time it takes to gather up 5 mobs in the first place, and this isn't a very good way of grinding SP.

You'd get more SP/hour doing raptors or efts.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

ARC can do that, yeah, but it's only single target.

THM can do it with Shadowsear or profundity II + Blood Rite II + Scourge II, but even with Chainspell + Shadowsear, you'd only be able to do those 3 attacks every 5 minutes or so. Include the time it takes to gather up 5 mobs in the first place, and this isn't a very good way of grinding SP.

You'd get more SP/hour doing raptors or efts.

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i understand archer is single target, but there are also calls to make all classes with aoe abilities on these forums. if that happened then it would no longer be. i'm looking at ideas people are promoting along with what is already in place and what could become major negatives of them. i just see all these major changes being put in place that are being called for here and even the ones that promote them are going to hate the results that come from them. then we will be no better off in the future than we are now.

Oh, I see. Any changes to how the skills work would need to be carefully balanced. Personally, I just think a few tweaks here and there should be enough. There isn't much of a reason to totally overhaul the system yet.

For the record AOE multishot would be overpowered as hell and a terrible idea. If Archers are going to keep their role as #1 DPS, then they in no way should be allowed to have too many AOE attacks.

I kinda think they should apply a percentage to additional mobs. for example, 100% for the first mob, 50% for the second, and 25% for the third mob. and so on..
So the more mobs you fight would still reward you with you sp/xp but in less quantity.
better than not having anything.

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

I kinda think they should apply a percentage to additional mobs. for example, 100% for the first mob, 50% for the second, and 25% for the third mob. and so on..
So the more mobs you fight would still reward you with you sp/xp but in less quantity.
better than not having anything.

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i like the way it is actually. the only time it annoys me is in like behest or leves when an aggro mob attacks and someone kills them and you don't notice and get reduced sp from killing the leve or behest mob. that and someone in a behest decides to run off and attack anything that moves. to me leves and behest should be single parties with any mob in that behest or leve is already a "claimed" mob since you would be the only one that could attack them. other than that you just have to be careful and tactical in battles to keep from using other aoe's on random mobs.

You have a point, just saying that it seems unfair to waste time on AOE spells/ skills to have no good reward in turn for it.
What exactly was the purpose for all of these AoE abilities if they have no real indication in the full function of the game,
for the exclusion of behest/leve. The behest feature I think needs to be fixed with the campaign system. Allowing for players to reep the benefits of the behest as a whole, instead of singular mobs. perhappss

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

You have a point, just saying that it seems unfair to waste time on AOE spells/ skills to have no good reward in turn for it.
What exactly was the purpose for all of these AoE abilities if they have no real indication in the full function of the game,
for the exclusion of behest/leve. The behest feature I think needs to be fixed with the campaign system. Allowing for players to reep the benefits of the behest as a whole, instead of singular mobs. perhappss

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oh i agree and do not mind the idea of it. i was just looking at problems it could cause as a drawback. i would personally have no problems of a mob attacking me while i am fighting another mob to be able to use my aoe skills on them too. i just worry that it could be taken advantage of causing people to attack lower level groups of mobs for more sp than fighting tough mobs. that would hurt the groups that like group play as you would have more people solo this or that mob.

True strike.

I am not sure how the balance of mob vs. rank is. But is sp in total based on level of the mob? If so, then decrease sp rewarded drastically for under leveled mobs, and semi boost the sp rewarded by equal-higher level mobs. In xi mobs too under your level give 0 xp. That gives some extra push for players to explore and fight mobs in areas suitable for there level.

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Originally Posted by SydeBeheln

True strike.

I am not sure how the balance of mob vs. rank is. But is sp in total based on level of the mob? If so, then decrease sp rewarded drastically for under leveled mobs, and semi boost the sp rewarded by equal-higher level mobs. In xi mobs too under your level give 0 xp. That gives some extra push for players to explore and fight mobs in areas suitable for there level.

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without getting all detailed because i do know everything either. it is a base sp for each mob with a bonus for mobs above 10 levels above you. mobs sp does decrease if they are below you. i was just looking at if aoe's were allowed full sp you could kill more lvl30 mobs in a single shot than you could a level 45 mob even with the sp difference the combined of 5 lvl 30 mobs would be comparable with less chance of death. this would lead to less people willing to group and fight the tougher mobs.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

without getting all detailed because i do know everything either. it is a base sp for each mob with a bonus for mobs above 10 levels above you. mobs sp does decrease if they are below you. i was just looking at if aoe's were allowed full sp you could kill more lvl30 mobs in a single shot than you could a level 45 mob even with the sp difference the combined of 5 lvl 30 mobs would be comparable with less chance of death. this would lead to less people willing to group and fight the tougher mobs.

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The current SP equation is this:

Solo EXP = [base exp] x [dlvl] ; (SP = 40% of EXP)

dlvl is capped at 10. You don't get more SP from fighting mobs that are 11 ranks or higher than you.

In order to prevent the scenario you are picturing, I'd increase the dlvl cap to 15 or 20 so that players are encouraged even more than now to fight stronger mobs so that the more risk you take, the more reward you get.

I'd also implement SP chains like in FF11, but tweak it so that you only get an SP bonus if consecutive mobs defeated are at least 5 ranks higher than you.

Furthermore, I would adjust respawn rates so that even if you could one shot a bunch of trash mobs 5 at a time for worthwhile SP, you'd run out of mobs to kill and have to wait for the respawn.

Basically, I think there are ways to implement multi-claims without it being as exploitable as astral burns are.

2-3 claim limit is good i think, i never really got more thn 2 links when i did raptors. Behest and Leve mobs should be 100% claimed from start.

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Originally Posted by Rentahamster

The current SP equation is this:

Solo EXP = [base exp] x [dlvl] ; (SP = 40% of EXP)

dlvl is capped at 10. You don't get more SP from fighting mobs that are 11 ranks or higher than you.

In order to prevent the scenario you are picturing, I'd increase the dlvl cap to 15 or 20 so that players are encouraged even more than now to fight stronger mobs so that the more risk you take, the more reward you get.

I'd also implement SP chains like in FF11, but tweak it so that you only get an SP bonus if consecutive mobs defeated are at least 5 ranks higher than you.

Furthermore, I would adjust respawn rates so that even if you could one shot a bunch of trash mobs 5 at a time for worthwhile SP, you'd run out of mobs to kill and have to wait for the respawn.

Basically, I think there are ways to implement multi-claims without it being as exploitable as astral burns are.

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yeah, that was my only concern was the thought of something like that happening again. i like to group play too much to have people would rather solo because they could get more sp. would ruin the reason for grouping and would take away the need to actually learn how to work with a group.

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Originally Posted by Synapse

2-3 claim limit is good i think, i never really got more thn 2 links when i did raptors. Behest and Leve mobs should be 100% claimed from start.

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i still have yet to figure out why behest and leve mobs are not already claimed mobs. it just makes basic common sense to me.

I really don't understand the logic behind the 1-mob claiming system. I don't think it stops any job from grinding too quickly. I think thats what the fatigue system is for.

if you cant get the sp/xp out of mobs you aoe, why is there aoe at all? they could just make cure/regen aoe always and the rest single target. Its not that playing mage atm is fun anyways, but keeping a mage from doin things differenty from normal DDs makes it even worse.
What are mages for? just stupid curing and bad single target DD? i hope that will change a lot.
I think nobody really wants to stick to a healing /nuking job the way they currently are.
SE should rather fight rmt directly then just limiting the game in so many ways. It didnt do any good so far and only makes ppl angry. And as stated before. the "burn" parties the way they were in ffxi don't work anyways.