Dear Developers, would you consider adjusting the loot drop pattern in Toto-Rak?

Hello all, this is not an angry thread nor an attempt to troll, so I'd appreciate polite critic and feedback on the subject.

First off I should probably explain what pushed me to make this thread. As far as I have observed in the dungeons I have done so far (I'm only up to Stone Vigil, so if I'm wrong, I apologize), the Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak is the only one dungeon where non-boss related treasure coffer drop no ethereal armor. No matter how many times I've ran the instance, all I'd find were allagan tin pieces, ethers, or potions.

Now for the bosses. I am perfectly fine with the Final Boss handling the 8 weapon drops. It's like that in most of dungeons where Green weapons do drop. However I am a bit disappointed at the other two bosses, the first and second Ochu-type monsters (called something like Nine-Tails Coeurl). The first one always holds a coffer that 100% drops an Ethereal armor piece. The second, holds two coffers. The left coffer, like the former, 100% drops an ethereal armor piece, whereas the latter will drop one out of ten Green armor drops.

Now, I don't have the exact statistics, but according to my achievements screen, I have ran 140 Dungeon Raids, and I am positive the only ones I've done more than once are the Lv15 ones, Halatali, and Toto-Rak. Yet, as a thaumaturge, conjurer, and arcanist, I've managed to collect only two out of the four DoM armor pieces the 2nd Coeurl drops. I'm not going to say certain pieces drop more than others, I am perfectly aware of how RNG works and I'm not going to say the %s are wrong, I'm just unlucky, but I wonder...

Wouldn't it be better to have all those scattered coffers around Toto-Rak have a % chance of dropping Aethereal armor, like in every other dungeon, and have both the 1st and 2nd Coeurl hold a chest possibly dropping one of the ten Green armor drops? I believe this would cause less fights I have noticed to occur in the many runs I've had, where:

1 - Some players get upset because the 'minor' coffer rooms are skipped, since they're not worth going after.

2 - Some players leave right after beating the 2nd coeurl, because they did/didn't get what they wanted and don't need the Final Boss.

It would probably help the issue #1 more than the #2, but at least personally, if I knew that after the 2nd boss there were other coffers with chances of Ethereal armor, I'd be driven to keep going even if I didn't need the boss.

I understand this may look like a trivial matter for most of players since it's not related to end-game armor, but please understand that there are other players out there who like to enjoy the game even without rushing for the top.

I just wanted to say, that's a nice well thought out post. :)

As for the issue with people dropping, that shouldn't be a problem when the DF roulette is out.

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Originally Posted by Kule

I just wanted to say, that's a nice well thought out post. :)

As for the issue with people dropping, that shouldn't be a problem when the DF roulette is out.

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Thanks a lot for the compliment^^; I too hope that the roulette will help out. Would be nice if one day they implemented a points system to get those drops that seem to hate you. Like "Win X dungeon X times to buy X drop from NPC". If only I had one point for every Toto-rak run I joined, and each drop costed 20 points, I'd probably have all drops now XD

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

"Win X dungeon X times to buy X drop from NPC"

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Just wait till you get to The Wanderers Palace and Amdapor Keep >_<

*stares confused at doing lv15 dungeon specifically for the loot*

It is kind of a silly setup though. I say remove the pink items and move 5 of the items from one chest to the other.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

*stares confused at doing lv15 dungeon specifically for the loot*

It is kind of a silly setup though. I say remove the pink items and move 5 of the items from one chest to the other.

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Ah, regarding those, I've done them repeatedly for various reasons, including spiritbonding and helping LS friends. The armors do look cool though, more than most of other dungeon gear further ahead ^^; Like I said, I don't look for stats much.

As for your idea, I do agree that would work too!

Let's see if my memory serves me well.

My main character (PLD) leveled up with only main quest and the rest was through dungeons. I got exactly zero piece of tanking gear from Toto-Rak. IIRC I entered it at level 26, stopped running it at level 28. No tanking drops at all. Note that this was my first character, during the launch week rush, so no rested, no bonuses except the 3% food bonus. I remember Toto-Rak was when I started to feel the "grind"---when you stare at the exp bar and wish it would move faster so you can leave this dungeon once and for all.

My secondary character (30PLD, 30WAR) got both the weapons but again no tanking gear at all for bringing 2 classes through Toto-Rak. This character was also leveling without FATEs, so quite enough runs of Toto-Rak.

My throwaway character (30WHM) that I have since deleted, got 2 pieces from Toto-Rak.

In general I felt that Toto-Rak was a gear gap for me. Every time I enter Haukke I'd be wearing mostly Halatari gear plus some level 15 green gear.

For the first class/job that one levels up, though, the main quest always provides at-level quest rewards for the 6 main slots (left-hand side) before sending us into a new dungeon, so it shouldn't be a problem.

But back on topic, Toto-Rak indeed is a very depressing dungeon to farm. To few drops with too much trash. I'd love it if all the coffers at least get a good chance of giving ethereal gear.

In general the dungeon coffers that don't offer ethereal gear are all very disappointing. For example the Stone Vigil coffers. Stone Vigil is another place where I've had little to no luck in getting tanking drops. I have a 50 and a 45 now, both of them were still wearing level 30/35 cavalry/ethereal gear when I replaced them with my AF pieces.

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Originally Posted by Zfz

In general I felt that Toto-Rak was a gear gap for me.

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Tanking gear is another 'mystery' I've noticed in Toto-rak. For some reason that I don't understand too clearly, the hand piece of the 'tanking' set (Warden's) is considered a Need-able piece only by Lancers, despite DPSs already having one hand piece dropping there (Brigand's gloves). Seemed like an odd ball to me, but in general yes, it is very hard to get all the pieces your class needs there without first out-leveling them just by spamming the dungeon over and over. I first entered it as THM, then as CNJ, and like I said I only got 2 of the DoM pieces. All what I have left needing them now is Arcanist... let's see how it goes.

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Like I said, I don't look for stats much.

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Be aware a minimum gear level is being added to dungeons, you'll have to start looking for stats to be able to do higher level dungeons. I understand wanting gear that "looks cool" but until the vanity system is released later, using such gear during any sort of battle situation is probelmatic at best.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

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its because its more dps oriented, determination rather than parry. it also has a lower physical/magical defense.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Be aware a minimum gear level is being added to dungeons, you'll have to start looking for stats to be able to do higher level dungeons. I understand wanting gear that "looks cool" but until the vanity system is released later, using such gear during any sort of battle situation is probelmatic at best.

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Oh I know, if I did higher level stuff I wouldn't use that gear. Then again, I don't do it. I got up to Stone Vigil just to hit lv45 with one job so I could be able to do the Lightning event and get the lv13 armor piece, I'm content now. I don't see me doing anything of high level content any soon^^; I enjoy other aspects of the game.

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

2 - Some players leave right after beating the 2nd coeurl, because they did/didn't get what they wanted and don't need the Final Boss.

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I have seen this a lot in Longstop. Hell I have thought about doing it myself. Having to fight the urge every time.

See, I only need the batlemages hat. Which only comes from the chest that is after the giant eft/dragon fight. I need nothing else. So why keep going in the raid? I have yet to drop out when the item does not drop or I don't get it but I have seen others do this NUMEROUS times. Left with the party breaking because it is usually the tank doing this. Even had a tank replace another tank, see where we were in the run, then leave himself.

SE seriously needs to randomize the chest drops on ALL mid level chests. I am fine with some items only dropping from the boss but all other chest loot pools need t switch around every run.

How long are you planning on using that toto-rak gear?
You know you can't get EVERYTHING from grand company vendors
but its better right? Sure you need some gear from dungeons too
for the pieces you can't get, but if this is really bothering people that much, tell them this.

"Go fate grind in quarrymill area"

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Originally Posted by Bluevann

the hand piece of the 'tanking' set (Warden's) is considered a Need-able piece only by Lancers, despite DPSs already having one hand piece dropping there (Brigand's gloves).

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Seems like mail-type gear.

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

How long are you planning on using that toto-rak gear?
You know you can't get EVERYTHING from grand company vendors
but its better right? Sure you need some gear from dungeons too
for the pieces you can't get, but if this is really bothering people that much, tell them this.

"Go fate grind in quarrymill area"

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um maybe people just like to collect the armor??? i have full sets of armor from the first 3 dungeons and the sets from brayflox. 1. because vanity slots and 2. because i can. i'd love to see toto rak addressed as i have been in the OP's situation there before trying to get the elusive torturers set.

great post

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Originally Posted by alhandra

i'd love to see toto rak addressed as i have been in the OP's situation there before trying to get the elusive torturers set.

great post

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Thank you all for the support^^ I hope we can get a response from the Devs someday.

I want the tank set too from Totorak, but I NEVER SAW ONE piece dropped EVER. There is something very wrong on the loot tables.

Maybe for 2nd coeurl a random pink, then two chests at the final boss? One for weapon, the other for the random green?

How about everything drops from the gold chest after the last boss?

Each time you loot a blue chest, it adds equipment and allagan pieces to the boss chest. Easy way to explain it is that you're fighting the clock, so you grab whatever is in the blue chest and keep moving. You only have time to examine the loot when the boss dies.


Chest 1: Chest piece
Chest 2: Ring
Chest 3: Gloves
Chest 4: Boots
Chest 5: Necklace
Chest 6 (boss): Weapon

If you only loot chests 1, 4, and 5, You only get the chest piece, boots, and necklace (along with any allagan pieces that drop from the same chests) when you kill the boss and loot the gold chest.

This would force people to stay for the entire dungeon rather than quit when their gear doesn't drop from a specific chest.

Just adding this there to bump up the thread. I've noticed several bugs in the dungeon as well.

Several times in the run, killing a monster will result in the display of the message "An opening has formed in the sticky web!" (This, by killing monsters, not webs.)

More rarely, but nonetheless discomforting, if a play is too far behind when a Sticky Web is destroyed, when they'll walk up to it the Web will still be there, non-targetable, non-destroyable, and will be blocking the player's passage. After having this happening to me and others about 3 times, we found out this can be fixed by logging out and back in, but I still think it'd be best to address the issue so that it doesn't occur anymore.

This leads me to think, maybe the coffers dropping no Etheral Armor is also a bug? Could have SE seriously messed up that much with a dungeon? I may post this up in the Bugs Report too.

Toto-rak's loot list in general is bad. I don't agree with randomizing every chest because I detest the RNG in this game (yes I'm jaded. <.<) but the "junk" treasure chests aren't even going after. Potions and Ethers are not good at that level to the point you kinda hope for Tin instead. TIN. At least with that you could buy a much more useful Hi-Potion.

More Aetherial accessories would be nice.

Speaking about accessories, from my experience the only "farmable" accessories are at level 28 from Haukke, and then at level 38 from Cutter's Cry. All other accessory drops are too rare to farm for.

For example I have 2 characters with total of (IIRC) 8 classes through Sastasha+Tam Tara+Copperbell to level 20 and beyond, and I have only ever seen the earrings from CbM.

Brayflox ring seems to drop more often now, when I had my first character during launch week, I farmed Brayflox for the Cavalry set and never even realized there was a ring available. Now the coffer drops rings probably at 50~60% chance.

All other dungeon accessories seem to be too rare. For example I'm totaling 1800 myth by now yet I have not seen the AK tanking ring.

Compared to boss coffer always dropping gear, accessories drop from fewer coffers with lower probability, making them quite tedious to farm.