Got an answer from someone that was helpful thanks.
Q31: Will a kick feature be implemented to the Duty Finder?
A31: We will be adding this in patch 2.1. It will be a vote kick-style system and their will be limitations when using it. .
Sorry I guess I was late to the party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mayin
Anyways I didn't make the thread to be like NO VOTE KICK or Oh no Guys don't use DF cause 3 trolls might kick you when you join oh noes!!!!
Cause some people seem to think that was the reasoning behind this. There's no risk taking that needs to be talked about or we can't live our lives based on what if's.
I made the thread in response to what someone else posted in another thread I asked a question that got an answer. Simple as that.
What happens if people Troll DF with Vote Kick?
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11-29-2013, 12:24 AMArkistaWhat happens if people Troll DF with Vote Kick?
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11-29-2013, 12:32 AMShuraI remember them also saying that if the system is used as a form of harassment, they will take serious action.Quote:
Q31: Will a kick feature be implemented to the Duty Finder?
A31: We will be adding this in patch 2.1. It will be a vote kick-style system and their will be limitations when using it. .
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11-29-2013, 12:33 AMBlackShroudMercs
Alright, let's think about this logically ...
For that to happen 3 trolls would have to team up and stalk the DF all day long just booting whoever dropped in.
Now, assuming many people are Qed for the instance, that next group said player gets will be legit, and logically, they will only get to boot one person per Q. Not the SAME person multiple times.
If you are this person who was fast-booted from the party, you probably think, "Hmm, those guys are jerks" then the next group pops and you let it go. I can't See this happening to you over and over, I really think it'd be rare.
So idk, guess it could be abused by trolls but why bother when most will get another group quick? Plus trolls dont run in packs...well most dont. -
11-29-2013, 12:49 AMElim
Urgg...the paranoia.
Look, they said that vote kick will have restrictions. That may mean we can only kick someone if they DC or AFK for a hour... AKA the new vote kick system may be completely useless. And personally, I'd rather three trolls vote kick me(resulting in no 15 minute lockout for me) than get a group with ONE troll who can ruin it for three of us by going AFK or messing around because we don't have a vote kick system. One of us would have to leave in the latter trolling experience, forcing us to eat the 15 minute debuff. -
11-29-2013, 12:50 AMArkistaMaybe I should have been more specific when I made the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackShroudMercs
What happens if a group of 3 people join an instance and just kicks the 4th member that queues up over and over? (Of course it won't be the same person)
Added the (...)
I didn't mean one person getting kicked from the same 3 people over and over. I meant that 3 people troll and kick whoever pops in queue everytime a new person enters.
But I didn't know SE had already Said
Q31: Will a kick feature be implemented to the Duty Finder?
A31: We will be adding this in patch 2.1. It will be a vote kick-style system and their will be limitations when using it. .
As shura posted. So that clears it up and I'll be happy to hear some more news on it.
CLOSE the THREAD! -
11-29-2013, 12:56 AMDyvid
Can't live our lives based on what if's.
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11-29-2013, 12:56 AMyamfaceBoy those 3 trolls sure are making a GREAT use of their time. Kicking people who's just gonna get right back in another group in a matter of minutes . . .Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkista
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11-29-2013, 01:14 AMObreck
Well let's see.... seeing as most MMO Vote Kick systems count premade groups like your "3 trolls" as only 1 vote and stack a lockout cooldown that grows exponentially with each time the kick feature is used to prevent abuse those "3 trolls" won't be able to do that in the first place.
And even if FF14's system doesn't implement such restrictions its about 100x easier for 1 troll to afk/chest farm/harass/etc a DF without a vote kick system then for 3 trolls to rally together just to abuse such a kick feature so its a risk I'm willing to take. -
11-29-2013, 01:14 AMMayin
People are still talking about this?
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11-29-2013, 01:17 AMArkistaSee here's my concerns with it I have PLD which I use sometimes but I play MNK and I'm really not afraid to get kicked either way. Anyways on PLD it takes about 1-2secs to Queue on my MNK its about 30-45mins. And any DD can attest to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by yamface
So what you fail to understand is the fact that if you are a DD your queue times aren't just a matter of a few "Minutes" they can be damn near an hour. So if three asshats decided to Troll (which now I've found out that there will be some restriction on using the Vote Kick) and kick the 4th member who queues up and they just so happen to be a DD their shit out of luck and have to wait an extra 30-45mins+ just to get back in.....
You understand what I'm getting at? But according to SE it won't happen.
And if you don't think that 3 people don't have anything else better to do you best think again. -
11-29-2013, 01:25 AMArkistaHere's the thing about that. Wouldn't that defeat the entire purpose of implementing a Vote Kick system if a 3 man premade party couldn't kick one person?Quote:
Originally Posted by Obreck
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11-29-2013, 02:16 AMObreckWell in a 4 man dungeon it would likely count as a kick. But that's where the cooldown steps in. Everytime you kick some one in a single day you have to wait longer before you're allowed do it again. In WoW the cooldown ballooned to something like 8 hours after the 3rd-4th kick in a short time frame. So such trolls wouldn't be able to pull their pranks for long. After that its a matter of the Moderators doing their job and punish people reported for abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arkista
Anyways I stick to my point that its infinitely easier to abuse a game without a Vote Kick system, as it only requires the actions of one person and there are many more ways they can do so than a vote kick can be abused.
EDIT: Now that I think of it 3 trolls could already harass people with the DF system. They could just enter the dungeon and go AFK, or pull the first big fight/boss then leave group, etc. -
11-29-2013, 02:19 AMKorbei
If three people vote to kick one person, that is not trolling. That is democracy.
They don't even need to justify why they decided to kick you. Three against one means you lose, see ya later. -
11-29-2013, 02:26 AMTupsiIt's not paranoia, it's a legit concern because people said prior to release: "You can't troll the DF or AFK when you load it up", yet what do we see? People trolling the DF and AFKing it. It's very possible to troll the DF with the vote to kick unless the system checks if you actually should be kicked or not - You join somthing 8 man and people who premade and joined and just plain don't want you to get gear or credit, they can vote you out because it's majority rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elim
If we were both SCHs and I see something drops for SCH that I want and I joined with 5 other people making it 6/8? You'd be kicked if I had em all decide to vote to kick you - That's pretty much what trolling the Vote to kick would be. SE says a lot of stuff that tends to be the reverse. -
11-29-2013, 02:39 AMshikarin
You guys are quite inexperienced or unimaginative. There are much better ways to abuse vote kick.
1) Queue as three. Vote kick the fourth. Now have your tank queue in-progress, he'll probably get in immediately or you might have to kick one or two. Now kick one of your original three. Have a healer queue in-progress. Again kick until your healer gets in. Now you have 2 people who can vote and receive votes for MIP.
2) Queue as three. Get to end of dungeon before last boss. Kick fourth. lololol ensues.
3) I would think it is obvious for a limitation to be cannot kick while in combat. But if for some reason that is not the case, then if you're in primal EX battle and your group wants a weapon drop, once HP is low it's time to start kicking.
4) If you're queuing as tank, and you see one member is underequipped, now you can force the group to kick you or them by threatening to go afk if they don't. Now instead of eating a 15 min penalty, you can immediately get in another group or have the underequipped person (or really whoever you want) kicked.
These are, of course, not what-ifs. You see these all the time in games that have vote kick. They can be quite funny from the abusing side, if you like being a troll. =) -
11-29-2013, 02:51 AMKule
Yeah I can see people abusing it right before a boss dies. Hopefully there is a timer and vote kick can't be used after engaging the last boss.
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11-29-2013, 03:05 AMShaoneWould it apply to primals though? I mean if vote kick is to serve as removing AFK/DC member to replace them, and there is no replacement allowed in primal battles, it doesn't seem like it should be possible there.Quote:
Originally Posted by shikarin
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11-29-2013, 03:08 AMBattlewrench
What happens when people troll DF by going afk during the duty or pulling too many mobs.....o wait.
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11-29-2013, 03:27 AMBlueMageApparently some people think if 1 person is being an a-hole, its OK and they should ruin everybody's run and nothing should be done to stop them. Its apparently WAY better than the alternative of 3 people slightly inconveniencing 1 a-hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battlewrench
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11-29-2013, 03:52 AMshikarinDoing those screw yourself too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battlewrench
The beauty of trolling with kick is you benefit yourself while screwing other people over. -
11-29-2013, 04:32 AMOmegaFlareThe only way to abuse it is if all three random people agree to it. If a group of 3 people queued together, they'd only get one vote. The other person from DF gets one vote.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kule
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11-29-2013, 06:17 AMArkistaI don't know the ends and out of the Vote Kick thing yet, but I'm not talking about 3 random people. I'm talking about 3 trolls who have nothing else better to do. But as other have stated there will be some kind of restrictions in place to prevent abuse......... Because when I started the thread I didn't know.Quote:
Originally Posted by OmegaFlare
Now that someone else has brought it up what to prevent a premade group going into Crystal tower (after 2.1 when they fix 24man) or one of the new primal fight ( Good king) from kicking someone when their friend/FC mate has to lot against the PUG they got? Will Those Primal fights not have the option for Vote Kick? I've gone to garuda in DF and been paired up with a group that was missing DPS a lot. And I know that if friends were farming for weapons and they had to get a pug, they would kick whoever if something dropped they needed and they had to lot against a PUG.
This is another good point. This goes back to what I just said, Maybe after the final boss is dead the option to Kick won't be available. Like Kule said what if people kick right before the boss dies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kule
So I would be nice to get some more info on how the system will be used beside There will be restrictions in place. -
11-29-2013, 06:45 AMDaleIf they really mean this it might be alright. But if they are lax about letting people abuse it I think this will be a net bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shura
I could see a couple of _____ getting together and queueing up for the duty finder just so they can kick people over and over for the thrill of it. And something like that could piss someone off to the point of canceling their account. Forever.
I do admit it's a real problem that one bad apple can effectively ruin the whole instance for everyone though.