Hallowed Ground animation

Anyone who's tanked coil has had an experience of using Hallowed Ground, seeing the animation go off, skill clearly off cooldown, but still dying. Is this an actual design choice or one of many technical issues that SE has? If it is a design choice (or intentional), why did they choose to make it like this?

It's an "OH SHIT!" Button for times when it's not really that needed.

The only time i see it being viable is when the boss is down to approx 5% hp and the other tank goes down due to lags or disconnects.

That and WP speedruns.

Yep. Had it happen twice last night in coil. Once in T1 and once in T2. Life drops, hit Hallowed Ground, animation goes off, icon goes up on my status bar, I die. It isn't just Coil though. I've had the same thing happen in AK and WP. It is less of an "Oh ****" button and more of a "I think I may be in trouble soon" button.

I use it as, "Hey Healer_01, raise that DPS, I'm going HG," or "Hey Healer_02, I'm going HG, get some mana back and get those bards to full health."

Anyways, Hallowed functions like everything else in the game:
1 - Activate Ability
2 - CD is burned/Animation time begins
3 - Animation time ends/effect is applied

For a simple comparison, look at RoHalone: You hit it, GCD is triggered and you start slashing away - at this point, you can't use anything else that shares a CD timer (GCD in this case) with RoHalone, but its effects are not applied because the animation time has not finished. HG functions the same way, the CD burns the second you activate it, but the effects don't apply until the animation time is complete. I would assume this is intentional to prevent you from making it an "Oh Shoot" button upon a mistake, requiring more skill and planning.

Looking in the battle log is my favorite:

You gain the effects of Hallowed Ground.
You take X dmg.
You take X dmg.
You take X dmg.
You take X dmg.
You take X dmg.
You have been defeated.

You gain the effect of Stoneskin.
Mountain Buster hits you for 4300 damage.
You die.

Thrill of Battle heals you for 1768.
Rock Buster hits you for 1500 damage.
You die.

It's a known server issue, it can happen with any CD ability.

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Originally Posted by Quor

You gain the effect of Stoneskin.
Mountain Buster hits you for 4300 damage.
You die.

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Holy pizza slices batman! 4300 is a big number. Totally unmitigated MB on a warrior?

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

It's a known server issue, it can happen with any CD ability.

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I appreciate everyone's response, and I am glad that I am not the only one getting frustrated over this, but this seems to be the only reply that actually answered my question.

Anyways, I take it that this response implies that it is an unintentional technical issue. Has SE even acknowledge that an issue exists and that they are working to fix it?

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

It's a known server issue, it can happen with any CD ability.

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If this is the case, it makes sense. We wouldn't notice it on our other CDs, as they have relatively short Cast Times/Animations. IIRC, the animation for HG has a delay before it starts, even after the CD is used. For this type of ability, the effect should really be getting applied at the start of the animation and not at the end. Nothing like using HG to prevent dying, only to die before the effect starts and have a timer before you can use it again.

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Originally Posted by Lucavern

If this is the case, it makes sense. We wouldn't notice it on our other CDs, as they have relatively short Cast Times/Animations. IIRC, the animation for HG has a delay before it starts, even after the CD is used. For this type of ability, the effect should really be getting applied at the start of the animation and not at the end. Nothing like using HG to prevent dying, only to die before the effect starts and have a timer before you can use it again.

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The animation is actually on the long side. We throw our arms upward and AFTER that there is a little flash and we gain a spherical goldish shield THEN we're immune, lol. Meanwhile the CD was burned 2+ seconds before the actual buff is applied and we start to gain the effects resulting in our immediate death and loss of 420 seconds of cooldown time, lol.

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Originally Posted by Lucavern

If this is the case, it makes sense. We wouldn't notice it on our other CDs, as they have relatively short Cast Times/Animations. IIRC, the animation for HG has a delay before it starts, even after the CD is used. For this type of ability, the effect should really be getting applied at the start of the animation and not at the end. Nothing like using HG to prevent dying, only to die before the effect starts and have a timer before you can use it again.

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It's still bogus that the status effect pops on your bar but you still take damage afterward. It felt like there is an issue with damage checking formula that doesn't account for tightly timed buff usage.
I also have a feeling that when a monster is "about" to attack you, the damage calculation is already done. Bam. You're going to take 3k damage no matter what even if you manage to pop HG before the monster's attack animation.

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

Holy pizza slices batman! 4300 is a big number. Totally unmitigated MB on a warrior?

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Almost. No Foresight, no Virus, no Rain of Death, no Stoneskin. Think E4E had procced but that was it. We wanted to see exactly how hurtful table flip was. I figured I had ~8300 life with ToB up so I hit that and my WHM topped me off. Highest normal I've actually seen is around 4700, but those usually kill me since it means Titan has no debuffs at all, which usually means things have gone south.

I had it crit for about 6k once. Man that was funny. I was just....gone. Like I had never been there. Approximately 6/7 of my life wiped out in the blink of an eye. Then there was the time I had a crit Adloquium and Stoneskin on me, with Virus, RoH debuff, E4E and RoD on Titan. I parried and he crit me for about 87. Many lols were had.

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Originally Posted by Quor

Almost. No Foresight, no Virus, no Rain of Death, no Stoneskin. Think E4E had procced but that was it. We wanted to see exactly how hurtful table flip was. I figured I had ~8300 life with ToB up so I hit that and my WHM topped me off. Highest normal I've actually seen is around 4700, but those usually kill me since it means Titan has no debuffs at all, which usually means things have gone south.

I had it crit for about 6k once. Man that was funny. I was just....gone. Like I had never been there. Approximately 6/7 of my life wiped out in the blink of an eye. Then there was the time I had a crit Adloquium and Stoneskin on me, with Virus, RoH debuff, E4E and RoD on Titan. I parried and he crit me for about 87. Many lols were had.

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I'm just spoiled... our SCH/WHM duo from Coil heals our Titan carries and I'm used to taking like... 0 dmg from MB, lol.