Odin unable to be Combo'd?

Just fought Odin -- was practically standing on top of him when he popped, so I was there for the entire fight. I didn't have issues seeing him or targeting him, and he stayed pretty much stationary for the entire FATE, but I was on PLD, and for whatever reason I couldn't get a Halone combo off for the life of me. Fast Blade would cause Savage Blade's icon to glow, and then I'd hit Savage Blade and... nothing. Abilities would go on cooldown, but Halone wouldn't glow, and if I tried using Halone anyway it received no combo bonus. Rinse, repeat, a couple hundred times in a row. I'd consult the battle log to see if Savage Blade even landed, or was registered as being used for that matter, but HAH, good luck with that. I also noticed that the only way I was able to make a dent in my TP was to spam Shield Lob -- otherwise I never seemed to fall below 900, and I had no TP buffs. As a result I ended up with a Silver, despite being on top of the boss, with him visibly targeted, spamming abilities from the moment he popped to the moment he died.

Is this normal? Like, is there some mechanic I don't know about that might have nullified all of my combos? Or is this a bug that I should be reporting?

It happens when there's a metric crap-ton of stuff going on. I think that it's because the game is too busy registering everyone else's attacks at the exact same time that it doesn't register yours. It happens to me almost every Odin or Behemoth FATE--I'll nail them with Fire-X and Blizzard-X but never see my Astral Fire or Umbral Ice states kick in. It's frustrating to say the least, especially when I finally manage to see one of them, only to have them disappear again.

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Originally Posted by Mysteltain

It happens when there's a metric crap-ton of stuff going on. I think that it's because the game is too busy registering everyone else's attacks at the exact same time that it doesn't register yours.

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and here i thought my accuracy was too low i wasnt hitting odin..

Bad game netcode to be potentially but most likely not entirely fixed in 2.1.

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Originally Posted by ken00

and here i thought my accuracy was too low i wasnt hitting odin..

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I thought that was my problem, too, but normally when something misses you see in the flying text Fire 3 missed!. It just completely skips that step and I see nothing.

I saw Odin today.. we had lots and lots of fun until everyone got tired and went to sleep..

at least i think thats what happened.. i dunno i missed alot of it

http://i.imgur.com/esvwxCO.jpg

Yeah that's just the server being really laggy. They're said to be fixing these issues in 2.1.

Try being a healer, when your heals don't heal anyone though.

One of the many issues brought on by the servers.

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Originally Posted by CalvatE

Yeah that's just the server being really laggy. They're said to be fixing these issues in 2.1.

Try being a healer, when your heals don't heal anyone though.

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Try being a healer that casts raise on anyone during Odin. Did it yesterday and cast raise on 2 people at least two times each and neither of them ever got a raise notice.

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

I saw Odin today.. we had lots and lots of fun until everyone got tired and went to sleep..

at least i think thats what happened.. i dunno i missed alot of it

http://i.imgur.com/esvwxCO.jpg

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most ppl used LB before he casted zantetsuken, because someone shouted to do... that's why it failed ;)

It's not just you, it's impossible to do a proper rotation on odin as anything that requires procs or stacks will not register unless you do the thing before it like 50 times.

It's lag and it's terrible, and hopefully it will be fixed.

Basically as monk I have to do the same attack like 3-4 times before it changes to the next form. I got up to GL 3 once without perfect balance. Felt like a champ.

I saw this happen today as drg couldnt use my combo true thrust>vorp thrust but full thrust would never light up so all my attacks were only doing 150-200 how are you meant to get gold like that :( even when i did heavy thrust for the 10% buff i get the text scroll saying i got the buff but when i looked down there was no icon at all

I always thought my accuracy was low, but it would be a series of spells in a row that would miss, never 1-2 intermittent. Always several casts.

That'd be more concerning if Enrage timers existed to push DPS checks, but thankfully haven't seen those. As it is just an annoyance.

If only there were some sort of test while the game was still in its beta stage to locate and submit bugs to the developers so that something like this could be fixed before it became an issue.




LOL NOPE LEVEL 20 ONLY.

When you're doing Odin, and you see a bunch of people around you with those Red Lighting D/C symbols, that's you too!

It means on your end you're playing, on the server all that's registering is that your d/c from the zone being too full for the server to process.


It's why I've stopped doing Odin/Behemoth; there's no point to playing your best when nothing is actually happening server side- therefore you get 0 credit and the event is pointless.

Greetings,

In addition to the display changes we will be making to Odin and Behemoth, we've also determined that a certain process was not functioning properly when multiple actions were used on a monster at the same time, which was making it difficult to perform combos on these monsters. This will be fixed in patch 2.1!

Will there be any changes to these particular FATE monsters that allows normal Summoner rotations to be carried out? As it stands, unless a Summoner is able to get up a full set of DoT attacks right at the time of spawning and maintain them so as not to be locked out, it is nearly impossible to use the majority of our damage dealing abilities due to the limited number of debuff abilities that can be maintained on a mob at one time. I understand that there might be some balance concern which makes it prohibitive to remove the debuff limitation as a mechanic period, but in special cases like these FATES which are intended for massive multiplayer participation I feel like special consideration should apply.

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Originally Posted by LemmingKingXXX

Will there be any changes to these particular FATE monsters that allows normal Summoner rotations to be carried out? As it stands, unless a Summoner is able to get up a full set of DoT attacks right at the time of spawning and maintain them so as not to be locked out, it is nearly impossible to use the majority of our damage dealing abilities due to the limited number of debuff abilities that can be maintained on a mob at one time. I understand that there might be some balance concern which makes it prohibitive to remove the debuff limitation as a mechanic period, but in special cases like these FATES which are intended for massive multiplayer participation I feel like special consideration should apply.

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In not so many words, please make Odin and Behemoth MMORPG ready.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

Greetings,

In addition to the display changes we will be making to Odin and Behemoth, we've also determined that a certain process was not functioning properly when multiple actions were used on a monster at the same time, which was making it difficult to perform combos on these monsters. This will be fixed in patch 2.1!

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Doesn't this sound like something that should be hot-fixed, or patched sooner.. rather than compile every problem to be solved in one magical savior patch that won't be here for another month?

Most MMO companies are able to release both content patches -and- bug fix patches without throwing the whole game into disarray, the fact that Square-Enix doesn't seem to have this capability is rather sad.

That isn't the only issue there, I have noticed that my spells still register on bosses like Svara, but MP usage is not handled correctly, making it impossible to run out.

Can you also please take the DoT cap off these fights (including Behemoth)? As a SMN, I couldn't do anything during the fight. All I could cast was energy drain (when aetherflow was ready) and ruin the rest of the way. That's not very productive for a class that main source of damage is DoTs.

As bard on Odin I am unable to get below 920 TP. None of my attacks seem to do anything. I was able to change class mid fight so I don't think I was even generating any enmity. I have just stopped doing it now it is completely unplayable.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

Most MMO companies are able to release both content patches -and- bug fix patches without throwing the whole game into disarray, the fact that Square-Enix doesn't seem to have this capability is rather sad.

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They do, there have been many bug fix patches. There's bug fixes in the maintenance tomorrow.

http://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...81a74513a151d3

You can question the decision not to include this as a hot fix, but the process they have seems fairly sound to me from a development perspective.

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Originally Posted by frostmagemari

Doesn't this sound like something that should be hot-fixed, or patched sooner.. rather than compile every problem to be solved in one magical savior patch that won't be here for another month?

Most MMO companies are able to release both content patches -and- bug fix patches without throwing the whole game into disarray, the fact that Square-Enix doesn't seem to have this capability is rather sad.

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Yoshida explained why they aren't doing a million hotfix/minor patches. Every time they do that, they have to run tests with the rest of the game, so if they keep doing hotfixes, it will just delay 2.1. Yoshida explained it much better, just hang in there for 3 more weeks

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Originally Posted by Sove92

That isn't the only issue there, I have noticed that my spells still register on bosses like Svara, but MP usage is not handled correctly, making it impossible to run out.

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I have the exact opposite problem on Odin. I spam Blizzard 3 on him and due to the bug Hvinire mentioned my Umbral buff will never proc, meaning I could be sitting next to nothing for a good portion of the fight, even after using Convert.

I'm glad this is being fixed.

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Originally Posted by Kluya15

Yoshida explained why they aren't doing a million hotfix/minor patches. Every time they do that, they have to run tests with the rest of the game, so if they keep doing hotfixes, it will just delay 2.1. Yoshida explained it much better, just hang in there for 3 more weeks

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And yet.. countless other MMOs have the system where they release 2.0a, 2.0b, 2.0c, etc... in order to fix glaring problems that should be dealt with now but don't encounter game breaking problems every time they patch something in.

A lot of these bugs and problems are detrimental to a lot of players enjoyment of the game, and instead of saying "Let's fix that encounter-breaking bug for you guys" they simply tell us to wait until their magical savior patch is ready; Which, in my eyes, is a very bad way to run things especially if that's how they're always going to handle their patches.

I can also say with certainty that no matter how much internal testing they attempt to do, there will be a heaping pile of problems caused by releasing a patch like that; Though they could alleviate a lot of the problems created in patching by having a PTR as other MMOs do.

Believe me, i -want- things to run smooth and I enjoy the game when i play it.. but that doesn't mean i can't see a large difference in philosophy between this company and others. If this turns out to be moot, or even act in Square's favour in the long run, then i'll apologize and keep going.. but when a large portion of a market operates a certain way, it's not just because that's how it works out, but usually because it makes sense to run a PTR and makes sense to release smaller patches more frequently than giant patches once a quarter.