Extreme Modes, Main Storyline, Seriously?...

While I think it's nice they are adding extreme modes for the hardcore/extreme players (and I may even try them myself.) I do not think its right to make them part of the main storyline, they should be more of an optional thing and not something we are forced to do in order to advance our game. Not everyone enjoys the hard modes as it is so why force this on everyone?

Why did they force me into 300 quests of drudgery? I think you'll be ok.

Did they say they were part of the main storyline? I thought I read them say completion of the main storyline was a prerequisite (which should be a given). The main storyline is already finished. I could have swore they said the Extreme modes would have a quest(s) to do with them.

There is a quest to undertake obtaining your Relic Weapon, it is not a main storyline quest, but also requires you to have completed the main storyline to obtain.

I think you're just confusing it. Or are you seriously complaining that there are quests related to the Extreme Modes?

i think everyone is getting the wrong idea with this "main quest". The main quest is already over after pretorium, and continue in the binding coil. You don't have to deal with extreme primals to exp, you'll have to do it after pretorium and hard primals

It seemed like it said was part of the main storyline, maybe I read it wrong?

He say main storyline, but i think it's used in the way as "a important part of the story", just like hard primals and binding coil are important for the main story even after the main scenario quests are over. Also, think about it: wouldn't be strange insert extreme primals in the main quests, before the hard modes and praetorium ?

Well, the prerequisite for extreme primal is titan HM. Titan HM is not part of the main storyline. Neither is coil. Extreme primals will be the same. It is optional but you have to beat them to get the best gears. Beating all three extreme primal battles will get you an ilvl90 weapon.

I feel for the casuals and understand their plight. However, on a personal level I like hard content "Main story wise". Like CoP in FFXI Yes it was hard and annoying at times, but the reward was worth it. This will be the same.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I feel for the casuals and understand their plight. However, on a personal level I like hard content "Main story wise". Like CoP in FFXI Yes it was hard and annoying at times, but the reward was worth it. This will be the same.

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COP dungeons made me quit FFXI. Farming and using the best two abilities to cheese the bosses after herding an alliance that had to reform into 3 parties was a waste of a day.

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Originally Posted by Kletian

COP dungeons made me quit FFXI. Farming and using the best two abilities to cheese the bosses after herding an alliance that had to reform into 3 parties was a waste of a day.

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Thats a bummer. CoP storyline was tough and required alot of time, planning, and dedication. But rewards aside, the story was SO GOOD. The music was even better.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I feel for the casuals and understand their plight. However, on a personal level I like hard content "Main story wise". Like CoP in FFXI Yes it was hard and annoying at times, but the reward was worth it. This will be the same.

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I understand to an extent, but 1-50 is easy. There's nothing inbetween that should be a barrier to anyone. They can't have everything go their way.

CoP was the best thing about XI content wise, before they ruined it, twice.

The way i understood it was that it would be a 'story' in the same way the HM Primals were introduced via a 'story', mainly just to explain why we need to kill them a third time, and why they're stronger now.
though not required to advance the Main Scenarios.

I see people talking about CoP and I have to say that was one of my favorite expansions.

I posted the quotes from SE that made this clear here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ore-elite-only

The way I've interpreted, is just like it is for the Coil. The main scenario finished after you defeated Gaius. But, the world is still going on, it's not a console game that once you complete the main story you're finished. Since it's an MMO, the world doesn't just stop, you've stopped This threat, but there are others out there, like a domino effect. Topple one power, another one surges up in it's place. Plus, the Ascian are still around and if you watched the final cutscene, there are A LOT of them. One or more of them can easily be part of this Primal Extreme thing.

I believe the small screen change during the letter more or less explains it. 'A Realm Awoken'. At the end of the main story, Bahamut stirs, upon his awakening, the Beast Tribes began to gather mass amounts of crystals to resummon their Primal deities after what the Garlean empire did to them. It's possible that whats happening to the Primals now is not related directly to the Beasttribes but is more related to Bahamut and the 'other' Primals that are mentioned.

Because one of the Ascian makes the remark that Bahamut has awoken and before long many others will begin to stir as well. So there's more hiding out in this world than we know about.

We know about Leviathan already, Shiva and Ramuh. But Yoshi-P already said he intends to bring a lot of Primals in, some that we 'cant even imagine'.

So the new content surrounding the Primal Extremes, even the Hard mode dungeons, could be tied to the Main story in the sense that we're trying to keep it protected and fight off the new threats as they come. And as I mentioned before, it'll get progressively more difficult as time goes on, because with every failed attempt to destroy us, the bad guys behind the scenes will try harder to succeed.

It's part of the main story just like the hard primals and coil is part of the story. What is so hard to understand? There are quests to begin each of these contents and even story cutscenes in coil. Why is it so hard to wrap your head around the idea that the main story does not end with the main scenario quest?

Gotta wonder what the story would be for this.

"Oh hey, you just defeated Titan? Well, guess what! Ifrit's back! ...again!"

Anyone remember DBZ where Frieza would spend like 3 episodes transforming and all the heroes just sat there like "Man, that guy is steadily gaining power! Let's sit here and do nothing and act surprised later that this happened". That's pretty much how I feel about HM and EM Primals at this point.

I say we eradicate al beast men so Titan wil never come back ever again. oh and there will be no more garuda or ifrit, either.

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Originally Posted by Wobble

It seemed like it said was part of the main storyline, maybe I read it wrong?

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They said they did set a Storyline for them and that they will continue the Mainstory. But i don't remember hearing that Extreme Modes are actually parts of the Mainstory and have to be beaten to continue.

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Originally Posted by yukikaze_yanagi

He say main storyline, but i think it's used in the way as "a important part of the story", just like hard primals and binding coil are important for the main story even after the main scenario quests are over.

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That's not quite it. Main scenario is not over after Praetorium. It's just a new chapter of the main storyline.
And by the way, it's not a problem if Extreme fights are in the storyline if people can't clear Coil to get there. And Coil IS part of the storyline.

Hard Modes Primals + Coils are part of the Storyline. So what's the complain here exactly ?

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Originally Posted by OmegaFlare

Well, the prerequisite for extreme primal is titan HM. Titan HM is not part of the main storyline. Neither is coil. Extreme primals will be the same. It is optional but you have to beat them to get the best gears. Beating all three extreme primal battles will get you an ilvl90 weapon.

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Did you clear turn 5? Pretty sure Coil is part of the main story - You may get confused with the generic Quest Grind nature of this game so it's understandable.

Yoshi has been saying all along that as new content is released the difficulty of old content will be relaxed. Nobody is getting locked out.

Based on how Yoshi described the EX Primals, I bet they are all down within a week. Expect to see EX Primal selling within a week (assuming there's enough reason to make a market for it). CT will be down in a day, same with all of the 4-man content. Good King Moogle, also down in a day.

At least there will be PvP, the last bastion of hope for this patch keeping a lot of us that are working on TT but have cleared all of the rest of the content.

Also housing, can't forget that!

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I'm not advocating more mega difficulty content, that will be blown through too. What this game needs is a larger meta. Other games accomplished this with GvG, open world PK, open world raid bosses, ect. I realize that Yoshi wants PvP optional (which given his DAoC days, blows my mind - but whatever). With that off the table, he needs to innovate something. This game is missing something to bring it all together.

Seems a bit silly to add an extream mode when they have not added the other primals yet, unless the next ones are so much more powerful than an extream mode Titan that they require item level 100-200 gear, if they plan to add them.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Like CoP in FFXI Yes it was hard and annoying at times, but the reward was worth it. This will be the same.

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Zilart had the superior story by far and Aht Urghan was amazing. CoP I hated and wished I had those years back after completing it.

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Originally Posted by Esmian

Anyone remember DBZ where Frieza would spend like 3 episodes transforming and all the heroes just sat there like "Man, that guy is steadily gaining power! Let's sit here and do nothing and act surprised later that this happened". That's pretty much how I feel about HM and EM Primals at this point.

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A little offtopic, but I think Goku actually wanted Frieza to gain maximum power so he could beat him at his strongest. Silly Saiyans

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Originally Posted by Ishmachiah

Zilart had the superior story by far and Aht Urghan was amazing. CoP I hated and wished I had those years back after completing it.

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Which is ironic, because CoP was the gap closer of Zilart's Storyline and AU/WoTG filled in the blanks. CoP had the best flow and felt more like a progressive story.