Race to 50

I've been jumping around from craft to craft getting all of the useful level 15 skills. I've been getting Goldsmith up slowly but surely and I had a look at the Levequests Goldsmith can do for multiple returns.

For the most part, the Levequests for Goldsmith look INCREDIBLY easy to do with just a few materials. Not only that, but the materials look to be dirt cheap as well.

Am I missing anything here or is Goldsmith the easiest Level 50 you can do? Or is crafting just (obviously) getting easier and easier the more cross class skills you're able to use?

I don't knwo about GSM being easier or harder, I don't have that one leveled. But yes, it should be easier as you level with cross class. Utilizing the lvl 15 skills will make leveling very easy especially if you max out weaver for Careful Syn II. That makes leveling seriously easy.

Lastly don't forget about experience. You know your way around, you know leve's now, mats etc. Bound to increase speed due to that

I look at the triple turn ins...

For example; GSM malachite jewlery is pretty easy - a silver ingot, 2 malachites, and then the piece of jewelery (craft 4 things to have a finsihed product). Alc and Cul are easier - often requiring nothing but the final product. Ltw, and Crp have some easy ones too (lumber or leather). Arm, and Wvr are the opposite sometimes requiring 9+ crafted items to get the completed product.

Hardest to easiest IMO: Arm > Wvr >>> Bsm, Gsm > Ltw > Crp > Alc, Cul

Ltw could be much harder since mats are a bit tougher, and some others might be too... Armorer might not actually be that difficult, it's just a lot of steps, and the least(?) useful. If I would just use the lazy synth for thread wvr might be easier?

What in your sweet heaven makes you think Cul is anywhere near easy??

Every recipe for triple turn-ins is 6 materials, at least half of them will have 2 to 3 of those materials being processed, meaning they come from another 1 or 2 other materials themselves.

Walnut Bread kind of sucks at 20. Chamomile Tea until La Noscean Toast at 45 wasn't too tedious, honestly. Maybe Acorn Cookies, but in all honesty, if I remember it right you only needed to craft the Rye Flour, the rest was immediately purchasable (Mineral Water and the Iron Acorns). It also helps realizing that the stuff like Table Salt adds so little to the Quality bar that you can just Quick Synth it without taking a blow to your conscience. :p

That said, my personal experiences were something like this so far:

Weaver/Armourer > Carpenter > Blacksmith > Leatherworking > Goldsmith/Culinarian > Alchemist

Just the fact that Weaver and Armourer uses so damn many components sends the shard usage skyrocketing. I'm tired of farming shards but I refuse to accidentally buy shards gathered by bots and funding the RMT. -_-

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Originally Posted by Skies

What in your sweet heaven makes you think Cul is anywhere near easy??

Every recipe for triple turn-ins is 6 materials, at least half of them will have 2 to 3 of those materials being processed, meaning they come from another 1 or 2 other materials themselves.

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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree with Skies on that. I bit the bullet and it cost me just over 100k gil on the Market Board to get Steady Hand II. The huge list of materials necessary to make the goods for the levequests for CUL just wasn't worth making myself.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Walnut Bread kind of sucks at 20. Chamomile Tea until La Noscean Toast at 45 wasn't too tedious, honestly. Maybe Acorn Cookies, but in all honesty, if I remember it right you only needed to craft the Rye Flour, the rest was immediately purchasable (Mineral Water and the Iron Acorns). It also helps realizing that the stuff like Table Salt adds so little to the Quality bar that you can just Quick Synth it without taking a blow to your conscience. :p

That said, my personal experiences were something like this so far:

Weaver/Armourer > Carpenter > Blacksmith > Leatherworking > Goldsmith/Culinarian > Alchemist

Just the fact that Weaver and Armourer uses so damn many components sends the shard usage skyrocketing. I'm tired of farming shards but I refuse to accidentally buy shards gathered by bots and funding the RMT. -_-

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no way! Crp is way way easy.

On a cost+developement+cross class general anaylise

Easy: Alchemy
Easy-ish: Leather, Cooking
Middle: GSM, CRP
Hard: BSM/Armorer
Harder: Weaver

Some can be made easier like weaver that has very few cross class but lots of stages (mat->yarn->cloth -> clothes) but is overall terribly expensive and more expensive at the cost of quick synths, and this is not even including the farming of dirmite and fleece.

Some need considerable cross class materials like BSM, and thus make the tally much more cost infeffective and time consuming.

Some are made easier by applying "tricks" such as the the leatherwork and cooking, to vastly speed things up.

But overall, the easiest and most profitable and craft speed is alchemy (hi potion is godly) durring leveling

LTW might've been more annoying if it hadn't given me all the skins I needed from leve rewards. I basically didn't really have to buy/farm skins past aldgoat all the way to 50.

GSM isn't too bad, but it takes awhile to craft all those ingots and gems before making the jewelry for the turnins. Even more time if you're mining up the several hundred raw gems/ore as well.

And yeah, Alch is really easy if you're a little intelligent about what you make. Hi Potions are easy to make (especially if you have Botany - mats are gathered next to the leve location) and Lanolin is super easy to make later because karakul skins are so cheap from everyone farming fleece.

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Originally Posted by Vortok

LTW might've been more annoying if it hadn't given me all the skins I needed from leve rewards. I basically didn't really have to buy/farm skins past aldgoat all the way to 50.

GSM isn't too bad, but it takes awhile to craft all those ingots and gems before making the jewelry for the turnins. Even more time if you're mining up the several hundred raw gems/ore as well.

And yeah, Alch is really easy. Hi Potions are easy to make (especially if you have Botany - mats are gathered next to the leve location) and Lanolin is super easy to make later because karakul skins are so cheap from everyone farming fleece.

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Even if you farm skins... 1 skin 1 leather... and have you probably skipped the all npc brought triple =)

GSM... brassssssss rrrriiiinnnggg tooooo mytrillllllll eearrrrrinnggggg.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

Easy: Alchemy
Easy-ish: Leather, Cooking
Middle: GSM, CRP
Hard: BSM/Armorer
Harder: Weaver

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I agree with much of that but I found Alch to be more in line with Weaver. Just because the 45 is off limits due to pudding flesh. I also find Armorer to be akin to Weaver. Ingots, Plates, rings and other things to make any wearable. Blacksmith is the most brutal on cross class.

I went a bit foolish on Culi. I think I made all HQ ingredients for the toast, including the walnut bread and I made 90 of them so the prework to make the LaNoscean toast was more than the making it. Ended up only using 30 or so. I did that with all my 50's though. Ltw I had 36 HQ Cesti when I hit 45 in addition to 60 HQ Raptor leather. It was a matter of running up and down for new leve quests.

As for OP. All mats for Gsm are mined really. I get it all myself and in addition I throw NQ away as I mine so I do take longer than most. It might seem like a bad decision but when you are banging out HQ one right after the other and you don't need to play the says 90% is really 40% Hasty Hand game, you thank yourself.

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

I agree with much of that but I found Alch to be more in line with Weaver. Just because the 45 is off limits due to pudding flesh. I also find Armorer to be akin to Weaver. Ingots, Plates, rings and other things to make any wearable. Blacksmith is the most brutal on cross class.

I went a bit foolish on Culi. I think I made all HQ ingredients for the toast, including the walnut bread and I made 90 of them so the prework to make the LaNoscean toast was more than the making it. Ended up only using 30 or so. I did that with all my 50's though. Ltw I had 36 HQ Cesti when I hit 45 in addition to 60 HQ Raptor leather. It was a matter of running up and down for new leve quests.

As for OP. All mats for Gsm are mined really. I get it all myself and in addition I throw NQ away as I mine so I do take longer than most. It might seem like a bad decision but when you are banging out HQ one right after the other and you don't need to play the says 90% is really 40% Hasty Hand game, you thank yourself.

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relic tool is not calculated. No one really do them in the order of their quest, and pudding flesh is not hard once you know where to look. Not to mention once you get access to milita off-hand, you can rush through most craft quest easily.

This is based on a rough cost of leveling/difficulty of process/ number of cross class mats that must be needed
alchemy by far easy is even with pudding flesh class quest and usually show up on AH now.

And weaver... so much farming it's not funny, no way it will be anything but the hardest/unprofitble leveling process. Even linen stage, you are still farming in huge amounts due to yarn to cloth to clothes.

Armorer is not hard, but since it is a 3-step, it's up there with bsm, just because you need tons and tons of iron but iron and steel is npc achievable and very cheap, and completely within class.

Cooking, you completely messed up. You can NPC from drybone for a triple, and then corn meal, to fairy apple.

And you kinda messed up on leather as well. There is a NPC brought triple very early to boast your levels and goat choker to very cheap pestie even if your are hurting for leves. you could even choose to complete spam that NPC brought triple till 50 with how fast you can spam it. Finally leather is very suspisious in that you get a 3 level below on your triple (choker is 27, on a 30 leve, etc), making HQ very early and easy.

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Originally Posted by Skies

What in your sweet heaven makes you think Cul is anywhere near easy??

Every recipe for triple turn-ins is 6 materials, at least half of them will have 2 to 3 of those materials being processed, meaning they come from another 1 or 2 other materials themselves.

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Culinary is VERY easy... I now think it's easier than Alc since the materials for the 40 tripler are cheap on my server.
25:Fever Pitch - Chamomile Tea - Buy water and honey from the vendor, buy or gather chamomile.
30:True Grits - Cornmeal – Buy or gather millicorn.
40: Made by Apple - Apple juice - buy or gather mirror apples.
---For all three, the final product is the only item you make, and none of the ingredients are terribly expensive or rare.

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

no way! Crp is way way easy.

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The reason I consider CRP NOTsuper easy, is because CUL and ALC are so rediculously easy. If there was a quest to turn in lumber at 30 or 35, it would be just as easy, but the 30 leves require 4 or 5 steps (steel spears or halbeards), and the 40 leves require 4 or 7 steps (mahogony spinning wheel or myth lance) to make the final product. The 35 leve is only 2 steps, but HQ wyvern obsidium is expensive and it's hard to HQ Walnut Machualti without it. 45 is easy again with Mahogony lumber.

Rather than starting a new thread, I figured I'd continue this one. I just dinged 50 on Goldsmith this weekend. I'm at a crossroads again of which DoH I should go for now. Here's what I have so far:

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/4816863/

Should I delve into Blacksmith finally and get Ingenuity I?

Should I start maxing out Alchemist because it's so easy (from what I've heard of on this thread anyway) and to get Comfort Zone?

Or should I continue with a different craft I already have going?

I have 60 Leve allowances so Leves aren't an issue at all.

Any advice would be appreciated!

I've been leveling mine all together http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...acter/2289225/ I really like being in the best gear at all times - makes HQ on higher level items easy :)

Since you have GSM and CRP - you can easily make the tools for wvr. I liked BSM since it gives the tools for just about everything else. I'm also doing Min and Btn - so that's 4 more tools I wanted from BSM. Ltw is nice for DoL gear. I guess I'm justifying why I'm leveling them all :/ Maybe I'm giving up Arm.

IMO, get 15 to all. and then maybe go weaver. I've found weaver's Careful Synth II to be EXTREMELY helpful. Not only for making end game items but also for leveling.

I've found the fastest way is usually to find the turn in that is easiest produced, which frequently means something that requires few mats, preferably easily acquired mats. Right now I'm leveling CRP which has a triple turn in that you can do in Gridania with the turn in also in Gridania, and all you have to do is turn in 5 Walnut Lumbers. And with BTN already leveled to 41, I can farm a stack of Walnut Logs in no time and churn out Walnut Lumber like nothing. I'm burning from 25-30 in record time just doing this one Leve.

Also, if you have BTN leveled you can easily farm Cotton and Flax, which make leveling WVR very easy. So far the only thing that slows me down on WVR is when I need to farm Diremite Webs.

Armorer is easier than Goldsmith - you can just buy the ingots you need for leves and turn them in, HQ, at a profit. Every time.

GSM is great, though, Mythril Earrings all the way to 50, forget the triple-turn in leves once you get past the malachite bracelet one.

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Originally Posted by MagusCreed

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Should I delve into Blacksmith finally and get Ingenuity I?

Should I start maxing out Alchemist because it's so easy (from what I've heard of on this thread anyway) and to get Comfort Zone?

Or should I continue with a different craft I already have going?

I have 60 Leve allowances so Leves aren't an issue at all.

Any advice would be appreciated!

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My recommendation:

Get Alchemist up. You are WHM/CNJ, so you want it 50 for your relic precursor item anyway, and you're getting close now.

After that, get Weaver up. Make HQ crafter gear for yourself first before burning mats on leves.

Both of those also give you an excuse to get Botanist up, especially considering that your relic precursor item can be completely made with harvestable items. Having your own supply of Flax also makes things FAR less painful.

To get Tricks of the trade (lv15 ALC), I just bought 99 phials of Ether and spammed leves.
Weaver is the most slow and difficult craft to level up, that's what lots of people I know say, and what do I need? Weaver -.-
I think Weaver is long and difficult because it requires mob drops, and not gathering items (Linen is the only exception).
Then, you need leathers and skins, so LTW must play his role, and then you need feathers and reagents from gathering...
A BSM just need his raw piece of metal to smash the hell out of that, to get badass weapons (yes, there are some more complex recipes but not as many as WVR have).

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Originally Posted by YanDere

I think Weaver is long and difficult because it requires mob drops, and not gathering items (Linen is the only exception).

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Flax (Hempen stuff) and Cotton (Cotton stuff) would like a word with you ... as those are gathered (though, admittedly, it might just be simpler to buy them)

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Originally Posted by Cycloptichorn

Armorer is easier than Goldsmith - you can just buy the ingots you need for leves and turn them in, HQ, at a profit. Every time.

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But waiting ages for Leve allowances to refresh is boooooring. ;_;

Weave can be extremely helpful and profitable if you do it right. Not only if you do it early will you be able to make all of your crafting and gathering armor, almost all.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Flax (Hempen stuff) and Cotton (Cotton stuff) would like a word with you ... as those are gathered (though, admittedly, it might just be simpler to buy them)

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Flax is Linen, and yes, I know these exceptions, but Diremite Webs and Fleece are really hard to get, especially if you need HQ mats.
I hate all Velveteen, Woolen and Felt recipes è__é

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Originally Posted by Githiun

Weave can be extremely helpful and profitable if you do it right. Not only if you do it early will you be able to make all of your crafting and gathering armor, almost all.

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Totally agree, I always craft HQ crafting gear and sell it on the marketboard: this morning I found 25k gil on my retainer XD

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Originally Posted by kukurumei

pudding flesh is not hard once you know where to look.

This is based on a rough cost of leveling/difficulty of process/ number of cross class mats that must be needed
alchemy by far easy is even with pudding flesh class quest and usually show up on AH now.

Armorer is not hard, but since it is a 3-step, it's up there with bsm, just because you need tons and tons of iron but iron and steel is npc achievable and very cheap, and completely within class.

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Pudding flesh is never available in the levels needed to do triple turn in leveling. It's used in the triple turn in for 45 though.

Armorer is a round about better than others craft. I'm left with Armorer, Bsm and Carpenter to get to 50 and of those three, I will need less Armorer turn ins. Between those three I will need over 300 Mythril ingots just to get them to 45 and if I do 45 Armorer turn in that number will be up in the 500 range. That's 1500 Mythril Ore for the three of them. They are used in all three crafts.

The thing is, with Bsm I use wood, leather and Ingots. With Crp I use Leather, Ingots and wood. In those cases I am not getting exper for the class in question on most of the parts. Armorer on the other hand I am making rivets and plates and the parts grind knocks 2 triple turn in or 18 items off my to do list to get out of the leve table.

Having said all that I don't mind doing it. Shard grind, I do mind. I madfe most of my Mythril Ingots using the Gsm recipe and I've burned through around 2000 wind shard between that and wind shard, Lumber.

The problem I have with Wvr (and Arm) is the 8 steps it takes to make one item to turn in; make 5 linen yarns, make 2 linen cloths, make 1 linen hat or tights... Diremite, and Wool are annoying if you want to make yourself gear (kind of a major reason to craft in the first place).

Meanwhile several professions have triple turn in items that take ONE step (Cul, Alc, Ltw, Crp), sure, the materilas are sometimes hard to come by, but most have another tripler that requires just a few steps... not 8+.

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Originally Posted by Roth_Trailfinder

Flax (Hempen stuff) and Cotton (Cotton stuff) would like a word with you ... as those are gathered (though, admittedly, it might just be simpler to buy them)

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Do people take flax to 50? Do they autocraft piles of yarn and cloth, or try to HQ every material?? My eyes are burning just thinking about that. Quick math puts me at least at 2430 flax.

Hey guys, I was on the same opinion about culinary being harder but then reading through the thread and everyone's responses saying the ingredients are sold on the vendors. I do recall back when I was leveling CUL I found it to be more the difficult because of all the stuff needed and I don't want to know how much gil I spent buying fish only to find AFTER I had got Hasty Touch a NPC fish vendor :(

So I just want to know if there is some kind of guide that tells you where the ingredients can be purchased off NPCs? I know to level up with leves and any guide I see just seems to be saying that and which leves are repeatable and where they are, not necessarily easiest/mat cost effective.

I just got my Weaver to 50, not knowing how difficult it was and the first real crafting profession I did. So now starting to level others for their skills I want it to be as pain free as possible. Weaver nearly made me throw the towel on crafting on more than one occasion.

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Originally Posted by Simaril

Do people take flax to 50? Do they autocraft piles of yarn and cloth, or try to HQ every material?? My eyes are burning just thinking about that. Quick math puts me at least at 2430 flax.

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I didn't. But I did however use a lot Flax. I eventually did have to break down and farm diremite and still have to farm fleece too. The amounts leve quests give just isn't enough or I just wasn't doing them right.

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Originally Posted by Anayrie

So I just want to know if there is some kind of guide that tells you where the ingredients can be purchased off NPCs?

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xivdatabase shows the NPC's but maybe even better that I forgot about since it just came to Android, that new phone app Lorezean(sp?) has it also. The brief seconds I opened it, it had the NPC's locations and items they sell. It was even searchable.

But yeah, there is nothing to talk about its Weaver --> Everything Else

Even the EARLY stages, moko grass, to the yarn, to the cloth THEN finally to the ITEM....
oh wait I need 2 more cloths..which means I need 4 more yarns....but now I need 2 more yarns because the original yarns I WAS going to use I just used it to make the extra cloths.....but now I ran out of cotton balls

Thanks Legend! I completely forgot about that, I'll need to get that app for my phone.

And yeah.. Weaver made me want to give up quiet a few times. But I was just focusing on it and botanist, only got 3 or 4of the 15 skills to help. Hind sight I could of made it easier on myself, but I was a noob. Anyway hopefully now the worst is behind me lol.

There are two vendors in Limsa that no one seems to realize are there.

One is the Fishmonger that you discovered, Anayrie.

The other is the vendor in the tower immediately north of the Drowning Wench/Airship/Bulwark Hall in Upper Limsa Lominsa.

People also never bother to check the guild vendors. For example, It's amazing how many people don't realize that the armorer guild vendor sells Iron Ore. Or that the Blacksmith Guild vendor sells Bronze Plates, Brass Ingots and Undyed Cotton Cloth.

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Originally Posted by Simaril

Do people take flax to 50? Do they autocraft piles of yarn and cloth, or try to HQ every material?? My eyes are burning just thinking about that. Quick math puts me at least at 2430 flax.

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I did flax all the way to 50. It really depends on how many leves you got available. Linen Wedge Caps of Gathering are extremely easy to make and the mats are cheap. The only thing that might get a little annoying is the constant runs to the Observatorium to turn in the leves, however that run is also granting you bonus experience. Since you're only turning in 1 hat a time, you save a lot of money on shards (not to mention time), and you get to avoid wool and felt. Just make sure you have like 50-60 leves available... or you can do Linen Hats instead.

Linen Trousers, until now and until lv50.
Easy HQ, 62k exp.

So I finally dived into Blacksmithing last night and came to a pretty obvious realization. Flawless Synthesis is fantastic to use to get through the first 10 levels of a craft! You one and two shot pretty much anything up to level 15, and you don't even have to improve your tools or gear to keep up.

After I get Ingenuity I and a good number of leves back, I'm either going to bounce back to Leatherworker or Weaver. The allure of Careful Synthesis II is just too strong :)

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Originally Posted by Teykos

There are two vendors in Limsa that no one seems to realize are there.

One is the Fishmonger that you discovered, Anayrie.

The other is the vendor in the tower immediately north of the Drowning Wench/Airship/Bulwark Hall in Upper Limsa Lominsa.

People also never bother to check the guild vendors. For example, It's amazing how many people don't realize that the armorer guild vendor sells Iron Ore. Or that the Blacksmith Guild vendor sells Bronze Plates, Brass Ingots and Undyed Cotton Cloth.

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UGH!!!! I have bought sooo much iron off the market board :(

However, to add to your list - the flower vendor in Gridania by the aetherite plaza sells cloves (idr what I needed them for, but it's amazing what vendors sell)... There's a vendor near the Cooking guild in LL that sells Morbol Vines (useful for alc lv 35 triple turn-in recipes)

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Originally Posted by Espon

I did flax all the way to 50. It really depends on how many leves you got available. Linen Wedge Caps of Gathering are extremely easy to make and the mats are cheap. The only thing that might get a little annoying is the constant runs to the Observatorium to turn in the leves, however that run is also granting you bonus experience. Since you're only turning in 1 hat a time, you save a lot of money on shards (not to mention time), and you get to avoid wool and felt. Just make sure you have like 50-60 leves available... or you can do Linen Hats instead.

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I need to look more closely at the single turn-in leves. I got so hung up on the triplers, that I ended up with more leves than I could use. For the linen tights tripler you make 5 linen yarn, 4 of which you use to make two cloth, then finally you make the item - so it's 8 steps! Then you do it 8 more times :( Yes, it's a very effective use of leves, but I tihnk I'd level faster using quick synth on a single turn in; but best xp/time is probably your single HQ turn ins...

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Originally Posted by MagusCreed

So I finally dived into Blacksmithing last night and came to a pretty obvious realization. Flawless Synthesis is fantastic to use to get through the first 10 levels of a craft! You one and two shot pretty much anything up to level 15, and you don't even have to improve your tools or gear to keep up.

After I get Ingenuity I and a good number of leves back, I'm either going to bounce back to Leatherworker or Weaver. The allure of Careful Synthesis II is just too strong :)

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I recently got steady hands 2, which makes basic touch work 100%. So on 70 dur items I go Inner Quiet, Steady hands II (CUL 37), waste not (LTW 15), Basic touch X 4, Steady hands II (CUL 37), waste not (LTW 15), Basic touch X 4 (or whatever touch to burn my CP, or hasty touch if you don't havre the CP), and still have 30 Durability left to use Rumination (CRP 15), which gives the CP needed for Steady hands and basic synthesis 2 (at least twice), which will finish almost any craft (can also use careful synth on 70 dur items). I literally have HQ'd every 60+ dur item since I got IQ2. I had almost never used waste not before, but the Dur it saves is worth it no that I can effectively use basic touch :) Cross class abilities are extremely powerful for crafting =D

I did pretty much exclusive triple turn unless Shark Oil, Pudding flesh like ingredients stopped me. It wasn't just a matter of use of the leve points. I can make 10K Gil on a single point doing triple turn in and I never need to worry about the girl beside Bango Zango trying to undercut me.