Sooo this happened to me today...

I was healing ifrit today, for the thousandth time. I had someone give me crap because I was sitting at 85%+ MP most of the fight. Apparently telling me that I was not carrying my weight, and the other white mage was closer to 40% at first I was like why the hell is he so low? In most Ifrits unless people are really bad, i stay pretty close to full mana easily. Than I realized Ah this guy is throwing stone skins on everyone every chance he gets. But I just thought it was funny cuz I never seen anyone complain that I had TO MUCH mana.

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u were lucky that u didnt met those retarded who blame u not spawn holy on nails.

Does that happen? Jesus lol4

If you sit at 85% easily on iffy you may wanna dps a lil bit if all you are doing is standing there waiting. That is likely why he made that comment

I could throw out dps, and ill typically maybe throw out a dots on the nails but, being at 85% easily and having time to dps are not the same. Also no I doubt me dpsing had even crossed the guys mind.

If I can afford it, I'll usually toss a Stoneskin on a healer or a squishy DPS but I typically stay usually above 80% MP.

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Originally Posted by Haytur

I could throw out dps, and ill typically maybe throw out a dots on the nails but, being at 85% easily and having time to dps are not the same. Also no I doubt me dpsing had even crossed the guys mind.

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Actually, if everyone know what they were doing and not making mistakes, this BOSS can be easily solo healed.
But healer DPS is always optional. 2b or not 2b, always up to u~No one else have right to forces it.

I feel like if you want to be optimal, and are in a high end guild than yeah healer should throw out dps if they can with out killing someone. That being said if you are casual, and you are doing duty finder than there really is no reason to dps unless you might fail because of it. But thats just my approach to things.

In the end I think we all as healers do what we feel is safest, like you said it is one thing if you are in a FC with tons of i90 people doing hardcore Coils and a completely different thing when you are doing DF parties. I am pretty new to endgame and just got my first i90 piece and have much more to go, got a PT in WP that wanted to speed run and told them I had never done it, I just didn't have the gear to keep up with the 6 pulls of trash mobs I told them please I can do 3 maybe 4 pulls but not 6 they just went with the "WHM sucks" approach and it was a horrible run. We know what we are comfortable with and if you are in a casual DF run people need to respect that.

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Originally Posted by Haytur

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Generally, what I do is I stoneskin healers 100% of the time and then I'll watch players if I notice they're idiots taking stupid dmg they shouldnt be then i'll include them in my Stoneskin rotation.

I like stoneskin even if it's not the best use of mana only because it gives me a chance to prioritize my healing. If an o'sh*t moment happens SK can really help cushion.

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Originally Posted by Krisstina

Actually, if everyone know what they were doing and not making mistakes, this BOSS can be easily solo healed.
But healer DPS is always optional. 2b or not 2b, always up to u~No one else have right to forces it.

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We solo-healed and solo-tanked Ifrit last night for fun. Went perfect until the PAL missed a stun and nuked 3/4 of our rDPS. Luckily the one who survived was a SMN, and rezed the rest for our SCH while the two DRG just kept stabbing away like nothing happened...

On-topic, I've only healed Ifrit HM once (for my relic), but I don't recall having mana issues. In a dungeon I'll DPS when I can, sure, but with all that goes on in Primal fights, I rather just focus on healing.

Honestly I will sit at 80% mp on these fights to, but Im a regen healer. I can still toss some dots on the boss and watch others health. But really stoneskin non stop? Seems dumb. Stoneskin will maybe block 2 hits 3 tops? But like someone else said, healers will always do what feels safest for them, cause if we die or go oom everyone is dead.

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Originally Posted by Yurikitty

Honestly I will sit at 80% mp on these fights to, but Im a regen healer. I can still toss some dots on the boss and watch others health. But really stoneskin non stop? Seems dumb. Stoneskin will maybe block 2 hits 3 tops? But like someone else said, healers will always do what feels safest for them, cause if we die or go oom everyone is dead.

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There is one good time to drop SS on mDPS; right before the Volcanic Bursts. If the mDPS has enough HP, he ignores the knockback effect completely. This is especially important for the Nail phase, if there is no BLM/SMN in the party, and especially if Ifrit is not placed correctly (and can Burst to the farthest Nail).

any healer (especially WHM) that can keep their MP that high is a healer that knows what they are doing. If you are running low on MP, you are either using a lot of stoneskins, people are taking too much damage or you are dpsing.

I get blamed for not healing as I was at about 80% MP during ifrit and had to explain to the warrior how shroud of saints worked ^^; I was basically solo healing as the scholar was new and getting hit a lot. We wiped once as the nails weren't broke then won 2nd go, still got moaned at as warrior left though -.-

I've never understood why people complain about healers UNLESS the group is failing. If you are winning, then heals are fine, and really no need for them to DPS (unless there is time and they want to). If you are failing cause people are dying AND its not the fault of people standing in crap, but because the healer isnt doing their job, then fine or if you aren't killing something fast enough AND the healer has time to DPS and doesn't... but if you are winning, and complain, then you are one of those people that just has to QQ over something... anything

I would have just laughed and told them not to flatter themselves. I've solo healed ifrit and it is easy so I don't care what the other healer is doing.

I've seen some ineffective healers in primal fights but I've never seen it where a healer isn't trying. I usually finish ifrit with almost full mana because my base cures do over 1k HP so you could just be better geared as well. Because of this I've also been accused of not assisting. The log will say otherwise and it's easy enough for the party to check.

You think being yelled at for having too much MP as a White Mage is bad? I've been yelled at for having too much MP as a Scholar... by someone who wasn't dodging any attacks during Titan! I guess they didn't know that I can regain a huge chunk of MP very easily. Oddly enough I was also compared to the other Scholar in the party who had very low MP... no idea what they were doing though. Apparently some people don't know how MP works and assume if you have more MP it must mean you are healing less!

wow as long as you are keeping everyones health up who cares if you are 100% .

the guy who complained must have a lot of time to type in chat to complain instead of pushing the pewpewpew buttons .

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Originally Posted by Haytur

I was healing ifrit today, for the thousandth time. I had someone give me crap because I was sitting at 85%+ MP most of the fight.

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If it was a melee DPS, you should have replied with, "Well is your TP less than 15% left? If not, then you're not pulling your weight either!" ;p Hopefully then they would have realised it was a silly statement. It's probably just a case of that person having never played a healer class.

A simple "Your Mom" also will do

complaining you had too much mana? wow sad lol

thanks for the macro! :D

I usually keep Stoneskin constantly up on me and each character who has less than 3000 HP, just to be sure fire columns won't be a big deal.
Did Ifrit 50+ times, never went under 90%, 80% during the last phase when people is really bad and I have to put a Medica II every once in a while.
Most of the time I just focus on the tank, I don't care about dpsing because if you can't kill a Nail without healers, then you are REALLY REALLY REALLY THE WORST PLAYAH EVAH.
Maybe I will use a DoT in Extreme Mode ;)