Non OP Warrior fixes

My Warrior Fix: after playing warrior through main story and doing some end game content I have come up with what I think would be good non OP changes. Wanted you feedback:

1. Under defiance Every weaponskill that does not consume stacks should grant a stack of wrath. Except for heavy swing.

2. Steel Cyclone should keep its Current potentcy and add the effect; when used and consumes 5 wrath stacks it allow you to absorb all incoming damage for 5 seconds as healing received.

3. Bloodbaths healing percentage should be raised to 40% or 50% to make it viable for end game content

4. Increase Defiance HP buff by 5%

5. Defiance has a static healing received buff. Instead of wrath building healing buff and atk crits, have it buff atk crit still and build crit heal chance or raise parry chance per stack.

6. Add a slow or heavy to an ability such as fracture or maim.

7. Decrease Defiances dmg reduction by 5%


Just what I've seen so far.

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Originally Posted by SpinOff

2. Steel Cyclone should keep its Current potentcy and add the effect; when used and consumes 5 wrath stacks it allow you to absorb all incoming damage for 5 seconds as healing received.

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This is a NON-OP option? LMAO

So you want half a hallowed ground every time you 5 wrath steel cyclone? Heck, its better than half a hallowed as you end the 5s at full HP without any attention from healers, lol. This will completely trivialize any encounter with predictable damage.

The change to steel cyclone would also add a cooldown, I thought would have been implied. My mistake. Would you agree a 3 min cooldown to be fair for the change?

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Originally Posted by SpinOff

The change to steel cyclone would also add a cooldown, I thought would have been implied. My mistake. Would you agree a 3 min cooldown to be fair for the change?

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Even a 3 min CD is still extremely powerful. Lets be clear, this is 5s seconds of invincibility every 3 minutes. While I do agree that Warrior needs some changes I don't think a 3 min CD god mode is the answer.

I see your point. I concur that would be too much. I was just trying to think of a way to make Steel Cyclone more viable by adding some type of effect that is slightly different than what WAR currently has.

What if Steel Cyclone functioned like an AoE inner beast? Heal self for total damage done. Would make for some interesting AoE tankage, which is what WAR seems to be designed for anyway. It also makes up for the lack of mitigation that makes PLD tanking stuff like WP speed runs and other aoe groups with rampart/sentinel/etc. a breeze.

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Originally Posted by MarkR171

What if Steel Cyclone functioned like an AoE inner beast? Heal self for total damage done. Would make for some interesting AoE tankage, which is what WAR seems to be designed for anyway. It also makes up for the lack of mitigation that makes PLD tanking stuff like WP speed runs and other aoe groups with rampart/sentinel/etc. a breeze.

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Change to Steel Cyclone to this:

80 Potency in an AoE. (Ignores Defiance 25% damage penalty)
Consumes 1 stack of Wrath. Heals you for 125% of the damage dealt.

These changes would keep it in line with Inner Beast being better for Single Target, but in an AoE scenario, this will heal you just about the same, but over a longer duration, and deal out nearly the same potency of damage over a longer time.

I'd love to see the suggested steel cyclone healing added to Holmgang. That would make it a very interest ability that would be similar to Hallowed Ground while working in a very different way. That would work very nicely to put us more on par with PLD while at the same time having the unique draw back. Specifically the bound in place feature.

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Originally Posted by SpinOff

3. Bloodbaths healing percentage should be raised to 40% or 50% to make it viable for end game content

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Maybe a new trait specific to warriors that boosts healing to 50%? That way it wouldn't be over powered when cross classed.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

I'd love to see the suggested steel cyclone healing added to Holmgang. That would make it a very interest ability that would be similar to Hallowed Ground while working in a very different way. That would work very nicely to put us more on par with PLD while at the same time having the unique draw back. Specifically the bound in place feature.

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I like this idea. Hallowed is a HUGE advantage PLD currently has and Holm is a great place to even this out.

Something I think that would work is making warrior heals % based as they would scale with health rather than scaling with dmg.

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

Even a 3 min CD is still extremely powerful. Lets be clear, this is 5s seconds of invincibility every 3 minutes. While I do agree that Warrior needs some changes I don't think a 3 min CD god mode is the answer.

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Hollowed ground is a 10 second god mode and thats ok? sure his change shouldnt ABSORB the damage, but 5 seconds of invincibility every once in a while would not be op. the problem would be putting a very long cooldown on an AE move.

Since WAR needs a skill comparable to Hollowed ground, I'd say they should change unchained and
- make it our lvl 50 job skill (infuriate would be the lvl 45 one) and during 10s we stay in constant infuriate state meaning we'd have access to all Wrath skills for free. In a boss fight, we'd be able to spam 4 IB in row and in a speedrun large pull, we'd throw Bloodbath and spam Steel Cyclone to selfheal.
- give a 5 min cooldown and a pacification effect that prevents us from building wrath for 10s. We can use it more often that PLD's Hallowed but we won't have access to the 15% heal bonus or IB for 10 sec (too long?).

I would love such skill, I find it fits the WAR design so nicely and emphasizes our "offensive tank" style. It's still not as good defensively as Hallowed since you can still get 1-2 shot to death.
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Originally Posted by Hanabira

Hollowed ground is a 10 second god mode and thats ok? sure his change shouldnt ABSORB the damage, but 5 seconds of invincibility every once in a while would not be op. the problem would be putting a very long cooldown on an AE move.

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5s of invincibility is fine. 5s of invincibility every THREE MINUTES, as the OP suggested, is not. That's multiple uses per boss encounter... you could use it a couple times on turn 1, 3-4 times on turn 2, twice on turn 4...

I never said that 5s of invincibility is bad. I simply stated that 5s of invincibility on top of hp absord AND a 3min CD is silly. This has nothing to do with hallowed or the duration of the suggested skill.

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

This is a NON-OP option? LMAO

So you want half a hallowed ground every time you 5 wrath steel cyclone? Heck, its better than half a hallowed as you end the 5s at full HP without any attention from healers, lol. This will completely trivialize any encounter with predictable damage.

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In short, he wants WARs to have drastically increased survivability whilst keeping or even increasing their DPS potential, high Max HP.

And he calls this non-OP lol

wariors just imo need to focus on damage and healing with a possibility on adding emit on heals. I wouldn't mind being a regin tank

I wouldn't want them to put all the suggestions into affect. One or two would be ideal, 3 at most.

Inner beast provides at HP shield vs healing. No overhealing, can now be spammed.

An idea I always had about Mercy Stroke (though a cross-class ability) is that instead of the current skill where a killing hit will net the HP return, make it so that the conditions to activate are the same (under 20% HP) but the attack puts a debuff on the enemy for say, 5-10 seconds and if the enemy is killed with the debuff on you get the HP return.

Would make it a lot less stringent while keeping it in line with the original idea of the skill.

Rather than that, can steel cyclone become like a second Sturmwind like from FFXI. I really miss that Sturmwind.

Steel Cyclone: this used to be like our bread and butter back in the day, now its pointless use of wrath, to make it more useful/engaging change it to the following options:

2 wrath stack: 150-200 aoe dmg like it is right now with an enmity modifier (our version of flash so to speak)
3 wrath stack: 200 aoe dmg with +5% crit or a parry % increase
4 wrath stack: 250 aoe dmg with a 50%-75%? heal according to dmg
5 wrath stack: 250-300 aoe dmg & -20% dmg taken for a duration or a parry % increase

Just a random idea and it may take some tweaks and/or reverse the orders or w/e but at least this way theres more options according to situation and steel cyclone is useful.

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Unchained buffs
Slightly off topic but what if using Unchained adds something unique(while keeping the remove dmg reduction of defiance) to each ability? Something like:

Under Unchained
Butchers Block: increase crit by 5% for a short duration?
Storms Eye: a 25% slashing reduce instead of 10%
Inner Beast: Adds the shield everyone's talking about
Steel Cyclone: AoE Stun added
Fracture: Paralyze
Brutal Swing: True stun that stuns 100% on ALL enemies no resist bullshit, would be sort of the same as PLD's silence move
Berserk: 35% attack increase or more! :D, removes the pacification (i really hate the pacification) and a 30 sec duration
Storms Path: (idk better self heal i guess?)
Bloodbath: 50-75%? self heal
Thrill of Battle: 30%? or keep the 20% heal and add a 20% shield or w/e
Mercy Stroke: the 20% heals you now instead of at killshot or a 20% shield
Maim: maybe add a slightly longer duration or 25% buff
Overpower: Adds wrath?
Holmgang: 100% bind on all enemies, would be very good to bind a boss at a critical moment (talking about real bosses like in coil, not WP/AK bosses)
lolForesight: the parry+ % i keep asking about :P (Foresight should have parry % increase anyways like in 1.0 AND THE NAME MAKES SENSE FOR IT)