So... just how BIG is Bahamut? (spoilers?)

Trying to figure out how big bahamut actually is and some things don't make much sense.

You see his wing in turn 1, and you're fighting inside the palm of his hand in turn 5 (which is what looks like several miles deeper than turn 1), but his head is only a little bit bigger than a player, and his hands don't look THAT much bigger than him...

Bahamut:
http://wimages.vr-zone.net/2013/08/Bahamut.png

His head:
http://i.imgur.com/Q6FQbo7.png?1

His hand (yes, this entire area is the palm of his hand)
http://i.imgur.com/ySy34bC.jpg

Maybe the head is way farther than it looks?

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Originally Posted by Decrith

Maybe the head is way farther than it looks?

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Pretty much this.

If it's actually bahamut why is it called "Twintania" then?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

If it's actually bahamut why is it called "Twintania" then?

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Not sure if trolling. But I'll bite.

Twintania is the dragon boss you fight ON bahamuts hand.

The arena of which you enter to fight Twintania, and the area of which you fight on, is called "The Right hand of Bahamut"

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Originally Posted by JuranDesiku

Not sure if trolling. But I'll bite.

Twintania is the dragon boss you fight ON bahamuts hand.

The arena of which you enter to fight Twintania, and the area of which you fight on, is called "The Right hand of Bahamut"

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I'm not trolling. I just spent god knows how long trying to get turn 4 cleared. Other than a few scattered screenshots I haven't seen turn 5.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm not trolling. I just spent god knows how long trying to get turn 4 cleared. Other than a few scattered screenshots I haven't seen turn 5.

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Okay cool. Never know these days.

Then yeah, basically what I said. You do fight on Bahamuts hand.

There also a picture from the opening movie floating around, that basically shows bahamut flying over limsa and dam near covering the entire city. So he's about that big.

I've never done Turn 5, but as based on that picture, I'm pretty sure that the eye of bahamut is as big as a Roegadyn (sorry if the spelling is wrong)

Side note, I've been in turn 5. The area of which Bahamuts head bursts out of, is pretty dam far from the platform you take your picture on. Like if you were running it would probably take a couple of minutes to get to. So the fact that his head is that big from far, yeah... pretty sure they got the sizing down pact.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

bahamoot woot

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Hey did they delete that other thread we totally destroyed? lol

And I think bahamut is all chopped up, cause well, his head and yea. So his wings, arms, limbs are all chopped up for some reason.

SPOILER

I think the allagan machinery got ahold of him somehow and is now taking over his energy to possibly re-awaken the allagan civilization??? allagan technology does seem to be able to have the ability to absorb primals, hence Ultima Weapon

I'd say that dalamud was basically the size of the Death Star in star wars, and that Bahamut only just fits inside it.

well it seems pretty clear his body was torn into pieces so you can't use their locations in coil to determine anything.

based on the size of his hand and the proportion of his hands to the rest of him in the CG scenes he's got to be like the size of a city pretty easily.
but it also appears there is allagan technology implanted in his head at the end of coil and the weird little elf girl says something cryptic about him so it may be the parts in coil are an artificial bahamut or some such thing.

the allagan empire does seem to be on the "we can surpass the power of gods" sort of people from what little bits you learn of them.
It also doesn't really make sense that he breaks free from his prison in dalamud to shortly end up torn to pieces underground in an allagan facility being worked on by allagan devices with no real in between story at all.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'd say that dalamud was basically the size of the Death Star in star wars, and that Bahamut only just fits inside it.

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That's no (red) moon!

I havn't been in T5 yet so I havn't seen the dialogue if Alisaie says anything...but don't forget Bahamut is the Elder Primal. Just because his body is torn to pieces does not mean he's dead. There was also the loud roar of Bahamut heard across Eorzea as the main story came to an end (I'm assuming it was him, not sure what else would make that kind of sound).

If Bahamut had not been 'chopped up' and is actually intact, we could predict his exact size using the yalm depth descriptions at the beginning of every Turn. However, it very much seems like everything is torn up or at the very least displaced. I'd be extremely surprised if we never saw Bahamut (as a living, breathing thing) again... so I refuse to believe he's gone forever. I also agree that his head seems very far away and it is our lack of being able to actually 'go near' the head that is making you think the head is smaller than it actually is.

I will say that the size of his hand (for the arena in Turn 5) seems incompatible with the size of his wing (in Turn 1). It seems like the hand is proportionately bigger than the wing... but again, that could be perception playing tricks on me because you can't actually TOUCH the wing... just look up at it.

All that'd have to be done is to measure the length of the hand in Turn 5 (keep finding max distances of Cures, 35? yalms) and compare it to a few full-length shots. If I remember correctly there's a nice view right before it roasts Louisoix and when he summons the Twelve against Bahamut.

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Originally Posted by vpc

I havn't been in T5 yet so I havn't seen the dialogue if Alisaie says anything...but don't forget Bahamut is the Elder Primal. Just because his body is torn to pieces does not mean he's dead. There was also the loud roar of Bahamut heard across Eorzea as the main story came to an end (I'm assuming it was him, not sure what else would make that kind of sound).

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Actually (spoilers)

he is alive and regenerating himself, as Alisae says after Twintania. She also says he hides himself down there

Bahamut was as big as Alexandria (one of the capital cities), I can only imagine him being as big as Uldah or something in this game.

My question is, what exactly tore him up? I'm really curious if it's explained post turn 5, or what.

I was thinking more along the lines that his head would be an actual dungeon. The cutscene post twintania seems to point in that direction.

As others have said, depth perception and all that.. from the screen shot you can see that it is set pretty far back.. Also remember in the end of the era trailer/ARR opening movie where Bahamut is in front of Louisoix staring him down (as someone above thought they remembered).

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Originally Posted by Bigpurpleharness

My question is, what exactly tore him up? I'm really curious if it's explained post turn 5, or what.

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I don't think this will be explained until more story (more Turns of Coil) is released.

on topic...

http://static2.finalfantasyxiv.com/a...VOPUBicC2A.jpg

as you can see here: bahamut's wingspan is clearly large enough to give the lominsians a nice shade on a hot summer day....

on a completely different note about turn 5: thats just depth perception messing with you. he (as in his head) is at least a few kilometers away from you in that part of coil.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

as you can see here: bahamut's wingspan is clearly large enough to give the lominsians a nice shade on a hot summer day....

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This is still pretty difficult to tell, unless there's another frame that shows how close he came to those buildings. It does tell us his wings are at least the length of Limsa. (or whichever city that is)

Here's another shot that gives some perspective:
http://www.guildwardiaries.com/wp-co...5-1024x572.png

I can't find a screen cap of the Dalamud fragment in the background, but the camera follows up the length of that fragment after it falls into the battlefield. You could also probably find a screen cap of the width of the fragment compared to the size of the soldiers on the ground, and calculate the approximate length of the fragment, which would give us a much better estimate of Bahamut's size.

I would guess that the fragment is 800 feet or 250 meters tall. Probably a low estimate.

We can also assume that the fragment doesn't span the full radius of Dalamud (assuming that they didn't physically pierce Bahamut's form inside Dalamud). That puts the diameter of Dalamud at a minimum of 3000 feet (~0.8 km). Eyeballing the size of Dalamud compared to the (almost fully-extended) wingspan seen in the photo, it would seem that his wingspan is at least a mile (or ~1.5-2 km).

Spoilers:
I can only assume that he has somehow shrunk inside the Coil or that his hand was liberally downsized for expediency, because it seems way too small in proportion with his supposed size given in the opening cinematic.

The various shots do show that his wingspan is huge compared to the rest of his body .. and in turn 1 it is pretty massive, I remember my first time through not even realizing what it was (and then going oh ****** when I did realize it. :D)

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Originally Posted by VahnValbosce

Hey did they delete that other thread we totally destroyed? lol

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I guess lol, I wasn't there when it happened so I don't know why, guess someone broke the rules?

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Originally Posted by JuranDesiku

Side note, I've been in turn 5. The area of which Bahamuts head bursts out of, is pretty dam far from the platform you take your picture on. Like if you were running it would probably take a couple of minutes to get to. So the fact that his head is that big from far, yeah... pretty sure they got the sizing down pact.

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Cool I was hoping it was something like this, I'm still trying to beat turn 5 so I only had the screenshots to go off.

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Originally Posted by Nihility

the allagan empire does seem to be on the "we can surpass the power of gods" sort of people from what little bits you learn of them.
It also doesn't really make sense that he breaks free from his prison in dalamud to shortly end up torn to pieces underground in an allagan facility being worked on by allagan devices with no real in between story at all.

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I was also confused by this, in the cutscene it goes from the 12 trying to re-seal him, failing, then he uses mega flare, then he's buried under ground trapped again. I wanted to go back and re-watch the cutscenes for turns 1-4 to see if I missed something, but they aren't available in the Inn, and I've already cleared them this week >.<

There's going to be more expansions for Coil in the future. Kinda would ruin it if we got all the story right at once.

The Binding Coil cutscenes are available under the Duty tab of the Unending Journey.

Yoshi-P has stated that there are three concurrent storylines in ARR. The first is the third invasion of the Garlean empire (main scenario). The second is the growing beastmen and primal threat to Eorzea (some main scenario, HM primal battles). The third is figuring out what exactly happened five years ago, particularly with respect to why Bahamut isn't eating everyone's face RIGHT NOW, since no one seems to remember the details (Binding Coil).

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

The Binding Coil cutscenes are available under the Duty tab of the Unending Journey.

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I'm not at home right now so I can't check... but I'm pretty sure I checked there, I when I didn't see it I assumed it was because it's not actually part of the duty finder. I'll be sure to check again later, thanks!

I'm sure it's there because I've used it before. It'll be listed under The Binding Coil of Bahamut - Turn 1 but all the cutscenes from every turn should be there.

My question is of the 3 elder primals we know of midguardsormer(sp), bahamut and Odin which one is the most powerful? I understand Odin drops weak gear but it takes at least 24 people I would assume max geared to kill him(just guessing here) as it prolly would take more. Just food for thought on some lore. Also is there any other elder primals we know of? I haven't started coil but is there any word of Alexander!?

He's WUMBO

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I understand Odin drops weak gear

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Odin doesn't drop gear, he drops tokens which you trade in for rewards offered by an NPC. She could give you anything for those odin tokens- piles of poop, gold bars, etc, because she's giving them to you, not Odin.

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Originally Posted by axemtitanium

I'm sure it's there because I've used it before. It'll be listed under The Binding Coil of Bahamut - Turn 1 but all the cutscenes from every turn should be there.

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Ah yup it sure is! Not sure why I didn't see it before >.< thanks!