Anyone find a best Rotation to keep a lot of mob focus on you only? I heard just spam Flash, CoS and Spirit Within when off cool down, then Riot Combo to get back MP to spam flash more. This doesn't always work however and sometime few mob keep slipping by.
I start pull with Shield Lob, Flash, CoS, Spirit Within, Spam Flash until half MP, Fast Blade, Riot Blade, Fast Blade, Riot Blade to get MP back, spam flash again until CoS and Spirit Within off cool down to use again.
It is better to do Fast Blade -> Rage of Halone between target? This hold threat more, but run out of MP to Flash and too slow since there is too many mobs.
I see Paladin hold 20+ Mob without losing much aggro, how are they doing this?
Best Skills Rotation for PLD Speed Run WP?
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11-07-2013, 08:21 PMZaikenBest Skills Rotation for PLD Speed Run WP?
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11-07-2013, 08:26 PMPhreak
Your DPS could just be trigger happy and need to pace themselves, DPS are just as responsible for their threat management as the tank is.
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11-07-2013, 08:31 PMJahaudant
You will need Ballad up from the moment you pull but Flash spam will be sufficient to hold hate on everything. Ballad is key, without it holding that many mobs once you are out of MP becomes impossible.
I personally do Flash > Fight or Flight > Flash > Bloodbath > Circle of Scorn (Should restore 200-400HP) > Flash spam forever. -
11-07-2013, 09:13 PMGarnatian
Spam flash, that's it.
All I can think is that perhaps you don't have Relic + 1. -
11-07-2013, 10:27 PMRowlnThe hell does relic +1 have to do with spamming flash while getting ballad?Quote:
Originally Posted by Garnatian
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11-07-2013, 10:50 PMJahaudantFlash enmity is effected by your weapon damage but it shouldn't be an issue regardless. With Ballad up spamming Flash will give you a decent threat margin to work with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowln
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11-07-2013, 10:52 PMSkold
It hasn't been proven yet because we don't have enmity values visible to us but it is very likely STR and weapon damage determine flash strength.
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11-07-2013, 10:56 PMPhreakuh this is pretty easy to test, take you weapon off and flash a mob then have someone else hit it after and look at the scale of the enmity bar in the part frames if there's a difference with/without a weapon on it should be pretty obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skold
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11-08-2013, 12:00 AMRowlnI'd like to see some test results on that. Could give me a reason to get my +1 sword or buying more Valor/hero pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jahaudant
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11-08-2013, 12:09 AMEhayte
Its pretty obvious flash scales with weapon damage or strength or a combination. If it didn't Flash would either be SUPER OPed when you are undergeared, or next to useless when you are geared. You'll notice that it remains consistent with the rest of your enmity generation abilities as you gear up.
Anywho - the only little tip I have over flash spamming with RB combo in between is that you should Shield Lob the crap out of any mob you can hit on the way (excluding the first buzzards and the Pug Pugil right after the first boss, as they may not aggro). Through tab targeting (really just the d-pad on my PS3 : D) I can hit probably 70-80% of the targets with a shield lob (which has a 3x aggro mod) before arriving at my flash spam point. This will give you a lead on those mobs that should help you out. If you have just having one mob get loose, I'd suggest an uncombo'd RoH, or a Provoke/Shield Lob combo if you need to back from range/quickly. -
11-08-2013, 12:18 AMRowlnI actually assumed it scaled on a lvl bassis and preformed well still because of Shield Oath.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
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11-08-2013, 12:38 AMEhayteI tank out of Shield Oath quite often on AK non-speed runs and don't see a noticeable difference. BUT, I'm not sure what you mean...even if Flash does get the enmity mod from SO (I think it does, since it mods all enmity generated), it still wouldn't explain the scaling with gear. A level 50 PLD in AF1 with the Stone Vigil sword vs a full Allagan + Relic+1 PLD...You can't look me in the eye and tell me their flashes produce the same amount of enmity...if it were so, the former should do nothing BUT flash, seeing as how a Relic+1 Allagan geared PLD can keep AE aggro from a Relic+1 Allagan geared BLM spamming AEs. That being the case (which it is, for the most part) that would mean that the AF1+Stone Vigil PLD has access to an ability that produces massive amounts of enmity with the same exact MP pool (or very very close) as the +1/Allagan PLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowln
I just don't think that's true, as I would have noticed Flash's effectiveness on the enmity gauges decrease as I geared up, and it didn't. -
11-08-2013, 03:51 AMAriynThere has been theorycrafting done on it. Google it. Flash is affected by not only weapon dmg (as is all our threat) but by str as well. In my current gear I get ~750 enmity per flash on all mobs. You can see exact numbers if you go into turn 4 and flash a soldier since you take dmg equal to the enmity gainQuote:
Originally Posted by Rowln
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11-08-2013, 06:43 AMzdub303Is that right? I was wondering about that... Good to know! Thanks for the tip. I'm at about 750 as well then, really good to know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ariyn
It seems like it has to be based on str/WD as well. The other tank in my coil group does not have +1 and is a bit lower in str (I have str melded rose gold) and he cannot out flash me, period. I take all 6 bugs in phase 1 of t4 and he cannot take them off of me without halone.
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11-08-2013, 07:19 AMRowln
Hey I'm always wanting to learn more and more. Thanks for sharing that tidbit on flash.
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11-08-2013, 07:57 AMGhoste
1. Ballad is mandatory for a wpsr or youre going to run out of MP and can't flash.
2. Don't over-flash. If your threat bars are low for everyone, stop flashing and do 1 RB combo to build mp instead.
3. If you run out of MP with ballad and mobs are still alive, then your groups' dps isn't enough to kill the mobs fast enough -
11-08-2013, 03:50 PMPhreakWhere do you get the TP to spam lobs after using sprint?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehayte
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11-08-2013, 05:56 PMmcnuggetz
First off Relic makes life east mode. Second make sure you have Fight or Flight up before ever pull. Pop it with Circle of Scorn and then Flash untill you run out of mana. Then tab target Riot Blade combo until you have some man for a Flash and keep Circle of Scorn on cooldown. Hope that helps =D
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11-08-2013, 06:10 PMMister-Wonderful
People who are saying ballad during pulls are doing it wrong.
This^Quote:
Originally Posted by mcnuggetz
Also make good use of cover if its 1 DD destroying them. Everyone forgets about cover.
Their DPS is low because you have the bard doing 20% less damage because of ballad rofl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghoste
Try foe requiem instead, Faster kills by far, and your WHM should be doing Holy whenever possible, which also does more damage with foe requiem up, and stuns the mobs slowing down damage greatly.
Another thing I see a lot of tanks do wrong is flash every mob. Try to flash only the big groups of mobs on the way to pulls, and by using sprint as early as you can you will easily have enough TP for a shield lob on the stragglers like the single tonberries, instead of having to waste a flash on 1 mob, thereby saving a bunch of mp for when everything is gathered so you can spam for longer before needing riot blade. Having ballad during pulls is why you need ballad during pulls, you wouldnt need it if you had Foe requiem instead and good mp management on the way. -
11-08-2013, 11:58 PMEhayteI don't use sprint I use a CD on the way to get the mobs - granted I don't take any groups bigger than 7, I find my time is better spent getting 95% success on 18min runs than 80% success on 15min runs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phreak
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11-09-2013, 12:47 AMJahaudantThere are many reasons why using Requiem outside of the boss fights is generally a bad idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mister-Wonderful
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11-09-2013, 02:12 AMMister-WonderfulPlease explain them to me then, for I cannot see many circumstances in which this is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jahaudant
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11-10-2013, 12:53 AMFersaken1. No its not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghoste
2. Flash until you are out of mana.
3.If you run out of MP fast strike / riot blade -> flash.
Do what I just said and you won't lose agro.
As far as what other people are saying. Yes something about flash scales, I am a very well geared paladin, relic plus 1, valor chest 3 allagan pieces. If you want to test it do a speed run using your relic, it should be fairly smooth. Then run a speed run with a lvl 40 weapon. Watch how you won't be able to hold agro. -
11-10-2013, 11:01 AMAccoladesI was just told by dps that its my responsible to maintain agro not theres.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phreak
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11-10-2013, 03:35 PMPhreakYour DPS are thick in the head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accolades