Why the hell is there a cooldown when you switch jobs?

In a game where the primary feature is the ability to switch to any class at any time, I can't for the life of me figure out why I have to wait 30 seconds to swing my axe after switching from Fisher -> Marauder.

It's not like you can swap jobs during combat. So there's nothing exploitable by switching jobs cause it's built into the freaking game. Can we get this fixed so we can actually start crafting when we swap to a crafting class instead of waiting a minute and a half for Steady Hand II to reset?

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It is annoying for sure.

thinking the same.

Anyone else get friggin' annoyed when you switch to like Miner and all your GP is gone?
Wtf?

With the cool down resets this is an easier way for SE to keep you from using a CD on class 1 with a two minute timer, switching to class 2, then back to class 1 to reset the timer before the original 2 minute timer had refreshed. The way it works currently is MUCH easier than trying to keep track of all the individual cool downs for 20 different classes/jobs so you can't exploit.

Sure it sucks. but for SE it beats the alternative work/code required.

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Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake

With the cool down resets this is an easier way for SE to keep you from using a CD on class 1 with a two minute timer, switching to class 2, then back to class 1 to reset the timer before the original 2 minute timer had refreshed. The way it works currently is MUCH easier than trying to keep track of all the individual cool downs for 20 different classes/jobs so you can't exploit.

Sure it sucks. but for SE it beats the alternative work/code required.

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I'm pretty sure this is indeed the case, but the GP loss whenever you switch to a gathering class still needs to die in a fire.

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Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake

With the cool down resets this is an easier way for SE to keep you from using a CD on class 1 with a two minute timer, switching to class 2, then back to class 1 to reset the timer before the original 2 minute timer had refreshed. The way it works currently is MUCH easier than trying to keep track of all the individual cool downs for 20 different classes/jobs so you can't exploit.

Sure it sucks. but for SE it beats the alternative work/code required.

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Simple, and less frustrating alternative, would be to set everything to its recast timer once you change classes.

90s recast? gotta wait 90s (okay, sounds fair). 2.5s recast? gotta wait 30s (wtf seriously why?)

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I'm pretty sure this is indeed the case, but the GP loss whenever you switch to a gathering class still needs to die in a fire.

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I completely disagree. It would be WAY too broken if you could go to a node, pop your highest Gathering+, HQ+, attempts +1, etc. When you're finished, run 10 steps to the next node, swap classes really quick, back again and have all your GP waiting for you at full?! Gathering crystals would be completely trivial, not to mention leves.

Okay, I might just be in the minority that thinks everything should NOT be instant gratification or handed to me on a silver platter. Probably why none of my classes are at 50 yet, also. It's just my opinion, but that is a giant "WELCOME!!" sign for exploitation.

I posted this same thread before, because I agree completely.

Since you can't swap during combat, it makes abuse in fates (lol) limited, especially with level restrictions and you can't swap at all in dungeons so has no potential for abuse there.

They could make certain cd's tic from their max cooldown. I could see Hallowed Ground being abusable. I could even see if the wanted to make blood for blood, fight or flight, etc tick from their cooldown but if I want to switch and raise someone and get back what I was doing, that should offer minimal penalty to me. Or maybe I want to switch and cast protect on my party, or whatever (I know I'd lose it when I switched back myself)

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I'm pretty sure this is indeed the case, but the GP loss whenever you switch to a gathering class still needs to die in a fire.

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The good thing is if you switch from miner to botany (vise versa) you don't loose your GP

What does need to die in the fire though is when you are a miner or botany and cant change your class to fight the monster that is trying to attack you... The only option you have is to run, call your chocobo and defend yourself with the shit weapon you have in your hand...

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I'm pretty sure this is indeed the case, but the GP loss whenever you switch to a gathering class still needs to die in a fire.

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or.... you can just use pots? Which you can get for free by doing leves?

Ever thought to go farm up all the materials you need THEN go to town and craft? there is no cool-down when changing jobs in town.

The thing I hate most is when I see somebody who needs raising while I am gathering.

Change from botanist to scholar.
Wait for cool down of resurrect to end.
Start casting.
Dead guy goes back to home point.
Change back to botanist. No GP.
*Sigh*

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Originally Posted by AmalahRose

The thing I hate most is when I see somebody who needs raising while I am gathering.

Change from botanist to scholar.
Wait for cool down of ressurect to end.
Start casting.
Dead guy goes back to home point.
Change back to botanist. No GP.
*Sigh*

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I kinda wish Raise was all classes but Gatherers and Crafters don't have MP, and I wouldn't want it to cost GP lol

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Originally Posted by Estellios

I kinda wish Raise was all classes but Gatherers and Crafters don't have MP, and I wouldn't want it to cost GP lol

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Losing a little GP would beat losing all of it though. It would be so great if gatherers could raise.

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Originally Posted by omniwaink

In a game where the primary feature is the ability to switch to any class at any time, I can't for the life of me figure out why I have to wait 30 seconds to swing my axe after switching from Fisher -> Marauder.

It's not like you can swap jobs during combat. So there's nothing exploitable by switching jobs cause it's built into the freaking game. Can we get this fixed so we can actually start crafting when we swap to a crafting class instead of waiting a minute and a half for Steady Hand II to reset?

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The cooldown does not apply if you change jobs in a main city. Also, you are not prevented from auto attacking, so you do not have to wait 30 seconds to swing your axe.

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Originally Posted by AmalahRose

The thing I hate most is when I see somebody who needs raising while I am gathering.

Change from botanist to scholar.
Wait for cool down of resurrect to end.
Start casting.
Dead guy goes back to home point.
Change back to botanist. No GP.
*Sigh*

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I wish we could equip Raise or Cure while in a gathering class, but I don't see this happening.

Sadly, what you wrote is exactly what happens most of the time so I don't even bother switching anymore even though I'm a WHM main and would really like to help whenever possible.

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

Anyone else get friggin' annoyed when you switch to like Miner and all your GP is gone?
Wtf?

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In the DoL sub-forum a while back I suggested keeping your GP amount in the background and letting it regenerate naturally as long as you are not actively gathering.

This would mean that you could use some gathering abilities immediately after switching (provided you hadn't gathered in a while), but still prevent abuse since you couldn't just switch back and forth to refill your GP for every node.

One of the most boring things right now is farming unspoiled nodes for materials. Between their appearances, you really can't do anything else because it will reset your GP... so most people just go AFK until the next one appears.

I hate how steps lead up, why can't they make steps lead down all the time.

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

I completely disagree. It would be WAY too broken if you could go to a node, pop your highest Gathering+, HQ+, attempts +1, etc. When you're finished, run 10 steps to the next node, swap classes really quick, back again and have all your GP waiting for you at full?! Gathering crystals would be completely trivial, not to mention leves.

Okay, I might just be in the minority that thinks everything should NOT be instant gratification or handed to me on a silver platter. Probably why none of my classes are at 50 yet, also. It's just my opinion, but that is a giant "WELCOME!!" sign for exploitation.

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Who said anything about refilling GP? No, just keep track of it so that when you switch back to it, it returns you to what you should have if you stayed the class. Nobody wants wants an iWin at Gathering Forever button.

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Originally Posted by Ed_N_Ants

The good thing is if you switch from miner to botany (vise versa) you don't loose your GP

What does need to die in the fire though is when you are a miner or botany and cant change your class to fight the monster that is trying to attack you... The only option you have is to run, call your chocobo and defend yourself with the shit weapon you have in your hand...

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That's my main issue with the current system - I'm basically locked out of other classes unless I want to butcher my gathering potential.

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Originally Posted by Rhas

or.... you can just use pots? Which you can get for free by doing leves?

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We're already having to work around too much broken stuff in this game as it is.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I'm pretty sure this is indeed the case, but the GP loss whenever you switch to a gathering class still needs to die in a fire.

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In fairness, it rather nullifies the meaning of being a gathering CLASS, if you can freely switch to between combat and civilian skill sets (For example it renders the stealth skill largely pointless if you can switch out, stab all the nearby enemeis, then switch back). You can freely switch between Disciple of the Land classes without a GP penalty.

Imagine if they allowed free switching; next logical step will be that switching at all is inconvenient, and it should be like Guild Wars 2, where you can use resource nodes while set to a combat class.

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

In fairness, it rather nullifies the meaning of being a gathering CLASS, if you can freely switch to between combat and civilian skill sets (For example it renders the stealth skill largely pointless if you can switch out, stab all the nearby enemeis, then switch back). You can freely switch between Disciple of the Land classes without a GP penalty.

Imagine if they allowed free switching; next logical step will be that switching at all is inconvenient, and it should be like Guild Wars 2, where you can use resource nodes while set to a combat class.

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First off, you can't swap while in combat anyway. Second. YOU know how to fight those mobs. YOU have the equipment with you to do so. Why exactly can't you take out your staff and kill those mobs? Taking out an axe/mining pick suddenly gave you amnesia or something?
Look at it vice versa, what's the point of a combat class if it doesn't allow you to kill mobs when they're close to a node you want to mine?

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Originally Posted by Freakiie

Taking out an axe/mining pick suddenly gave you amnesia or something?

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You get dressed/undressed instantly in real life? ;)

If you want to take a swing at an enemy with your pickaxe you can. Hell when I'm gathering in low level zones I'll often help the lowbies with their kills by braining a few mobs with my logging axe

I get dressed in less than 30 secs, that's for sure.

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Originally Posted by RyuujinZERO

You get dressed/undressed instantly in real life? ;)

If you want to take a swing at an enemy with your pickaxe you can. Hell when I'm gathering in low level zones I'll often help the lowbies with their kills by braining a few mobs with my logging axe

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Using real life as an argument for a mechanic. Ha, genius!

In all seriousness though, I'd prefer it if basically every single ability would reset to it's natural cooldown. You can't change in combat, you can't change in dungeons either so naturally this isn't really open for abuse, so I don't see the problem.

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

Anyone else get friggin' annoyed when you switch to like Miner and all your GP is gone?
Wtf?

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The miner gp thing is too annoying.
Especially when you've just switched and you discover an unspoiled node :/

Its so people dont take advantage of switching jobs mid whatever they are doing to get extra cooldowns and such

It would be trivial to store the cooldowns for each of your available skills in memory. It doesn't even have to tick. They just store the cooldown period remaining when you switch. SE will probably claim they can't do it because of PS3 memory limitations. This will open up the door for hacks though, unless they store these CD values on the server which is a sucky solution but not impossible.

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Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake

With the cool down resets this is an easier way for SE to keep you from using a CD on class 1 with a two minute timer, switching to class 2, then back to class 1 to reset the timer before the original 2 minute timer had refreshed. The way it works currently is MUCH easier than trying to keep track of all the individual cool downs for 20 different classes/jobs so you can't exploit.

Sure it sucks. but for SE it beats the alternative work/code required.

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You can't switch classes inside an instance anyway, so it serves little purpose.

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Originally Posted by omniwaink

Can we get this fixed so we can actually start crafting when we swap to a crafting class instead of waiting a minute and a half for Steady Hand II to reset?

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Is there really a cooldown for Steady Hand II when switching? I often switch between crafting classes, and then begin crafting right away. I don't have Steady Hand II, but all of the abilities that I have are instantly available.

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Originally Posted by zdub303

Simple, and less frustrating alternative, would be to set everything to its recast timer once you change classes.

90s recast? gotta wait 90s (okay, sounds fair). 2.5s recast? gotta wait 30s (wtf seriously why?)

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So Much This!

When I am chopping trees and watching paint dry, a FATE pops right next to me, I finish off the 2 chops I still have on the tree, switch into my CNJ, and have to stand there doing nothing at all while I see the zerg army overrun that FATE, and get Silver (sometimes even only Bronze) even though I've been there the whole time.

Just put everything into its recast cooldown and be done with it. I don't really see a point to force such a long cooldown on everything.

PS: IIRC the longer cooldowns do activate their recast timer upon switching. What annoys me to no end is the basic attacks like Fast Blade.

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Originally Posted by Dreamer

I'm pretty sure this is indeed the case, but the GP loss whenever you switch to a gathering class still needs to die in a fire.

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The reason why that happens is technically a DoW/DoM/DoH classes don't have GP, therefor it is registered as 0 meaning when you switch classes to a Gathering class from anything but a gathering class you will have their defult 0GP after switching.

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Originally Posted by Mordermi

Is there really a cooldown for Steady Hand II when switching? I often switch between crafting classes, and then begin crafting right away. I don't have Steady Hand II, but all of the abilities that I have are instantly available.

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no there is no cooldown, only cooldown i can think of is if you are slotting it into another craft profession outside of town

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Originally Posted by Geobryn

no there is no cooldown, only cooldown i can think of is if you are slotting it into another craft profession outside of town

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Even outside of town, I use cross class skills right after changing classes (crafting).

Isn't it obvious? Because reasons...

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

Anyone else get friggin' annoyed when you switch to like Miner and all your GP is gone?
Wtf?

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This and the OP's point are exceptionally frustrating. >_<

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Originally Posted by Ebon_Drake

With the cool down resets this is an easier way for SE to keep you from using a CD on class 1 with a two minute timer, switching to class 2, then back to class 1 to reset the timer before the original 2 minute timer had refreshed. The way it works currently is MUCH easier than trying to keep track of all the individual cool downs for 20 different classes/jobs so you can't exploit.

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But you can't switch classes in combat, so what does it matter...?

All in all, I was upset at first about it...but I have since learned to try & plan ahead in all things that I do & it rarely bothers me. Only when I get an "out of the blue" invite to go tank BCt1 & I have to wait the full 7 minutes for hallowed ground to be ready even when I have been crafting for 2 hours...& other similar situations. The whole GP thing is a little annoying...but it's only about a 5 min or so wait for full GP so I just change jobs about 2 game time hours before an unspoiled node.

Being able to switch to a combat class when attacked on a gathering job would make no sense as they gave those classes "Stealth" for a reason.

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Originally Posted by fearfactoryman

All in all, I was upset at first about it...but I have since learned to try & plan ahead in all things that I do & it rarely bothers me. Only when I get an "out of the blue" invite to go tank BCt1 & I have to wait the full 7 minutes for hallowed ground to be ready even when I have been crafting for 2 hours...& other similar situations. The whole GP thing is a little annoying...but it's only about a 5 min or so wait for full GP so I just change jobs about 2 game time hours before an unspoiled node.

Being able to switch to a combat class when attacked on a gathering job would make no sense as they gave those classes "Stealth" for a reason.

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Stealth itself was a pretty poor work around for the NM's and other crap directly preventing you from completing leves in 1.0. That and they kept sticking more and more hostiles in DoL routes in general despite the complaints.

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Originally Posted by Arriverderci

Anyone else get friggin' annoyed when you switch to like Miner and all your GP is gone?
Wtf?

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Not if you was BTN before