[request] what happened to mob behavior ecosystem?

I'm pretty sure I saw a video or read an interview with the old team ranting about how there were plans to make an ecosystem of sorts in which mobs attacked each other on their own.

I really liked this idea! It'd make the world a lot more lively. Even more if you could take advantage of this like on FFXIII.

I think it'd be also good if it wasn't plain mob fighting, but if some mobs ran away from the aggressive ones or turned around to team up with their kindred if they'd run into more of them. It'd make mobs do something other than just stand there waiting to get slain! :D

Please hit like if you'd still like to see this implemented.

Along with that I'd like to annex I'd also like to see mob AI back into the game. The previous form was awful... like, the goats would follow you and it'd be really annoying if you wanted to fight. But the concept was smart. It would have worked if the goats would have fled in fear when turning into battle mode!

Stuff like this I'd like to see.

the "flee when turning into battle mode" would have solved the problem, great suggestion. Its the details that make this world alive. The special mob-ecosystem would be great! i would love to see it, i liked it in ffxiii as well.

I remember it also, but I think that was something the original producer (Tanaka?) wanted.

One of the only things I liked about Rift is even normal monsters that'd aggro had a sense of "home pride", in that if they saw you fighting an invader, they'd team with you to kill the invaders (even humanoid enemies would help with invaders). Aion also had certain mobs fighting eachother in a natural manner.

It's been swallowed by the cries of "but that's pointless!" from the vocal part of the forum crowd. Same reason why the animal curiosity AI was removed. Too much whining from people who didn't want to pay attention to their surroundings. :(

honestly i blame SE more for this. If you listen to every crap you destroy your game easily.
It was like the mob/spell increase. It was a CHEAP way trying to have the crowds shut up for a bit.

And if a system is a bit annoying, you could just think about it and change it in a smart way. But AI is a weak spot in most games, not only mmos. So i think they decided to just leave it out... even though we wouldnt even need a great AI... a bit more then utter stupidity would suffice :D

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Seriously, I forgot about this ecosystem thing. What's up with that? I want that implemented. Lets get this to trend!

Yeah, this would be really cool. A system similar to Skrim would be awesome!

Should bring this back, and mobs following, and mobs running away.

Man the life is so dull in the game :( all NPC's are so robotic.

I miss the curiosity AI that monsters had... I remember aldegoats used to randomly follow you around and such. Only thing I hated was that absolutely every mob had a ranged attack that HURTS.

They also need to make it where, at least when your fighting, you can't run through the mob.

>Want to kill certain monsters for a quest

>they're not out because it's rainy

>gotta wait

Pretty much that, I would assume. I'm not closed to the idea of mob conditions, but I could imagine a lot of complaints. Hell, I'm annoyed that I have to wait for Dodore in the miasma. To make it convenient, they would have to make certain times trigger a type of weather, and that seems too mechanical. I'd rather have enemies appear at all times of the week, rather than certain weather conditions that are at random. They could maybe have it effect certain enemies, like slightly increase their strength, buff them, debuff them, something like that.

It's often the "pointless" things that add depth. Depth this game doesn't have.

20 goats following you was pretty stupid.

I don't mind this, curious enemies was really the only thing that needed to go. If it was brought back they should cap it at 1-2 curious enemies that can follow you at most, lower their following range and make them flee when you enter battle.

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Originally Posted by Estellios

20 goats following you was pretty stupid.

I don't mind this, curious enemies was really the only thing that needed to go. If it was brought back they should cap it at 1-2 curious enemies that can follow you at most, lower their following range and make them flee when you enter battle.

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So much agreed. I liked it when mobs would just look at you as you ran by, others would flee. I remember that with the marmots in fact. They'd be on the path and as you approached they'd suddenly scurry away a distance. Having mobs that paid attention was nice. They've pretty much fixed the fact that not many moves are AoE anymore, so no worry about a mob wandering into the fray if it gets close. But going into active mode should definitely have them run away if they're in follow mode. Heck I'd even settle for mobs that just looked your direction, maybe they didn't follow you but just wandered a bit closer in curiosity. A timer would count down for the mob and after a fixed period of time the following is ceased and they wander away. It'd make them seem more alive.

Player comes near. An aldgoat in the area grows curious and wanders closer, but stays outside a certain radius. Three minutes later the Aldgoat gets bored, and returns to its wandering phase. Marmots when you get near, would look at you and scurry away. After a certain period of time they might even start to ignore you until you leave their "awareness" range. Some hostile enemies might even look at you but don't engage. Like drakes could look your direction giving you an "Oh Crap!" moment. As long as you don't run, they won't engage and attack.

things that got axed and need to be reviewed and returned are:

1)Mob AI.
2)Model Clipping(yes even on players).
3)Positional Weaknesses.
4)Old Weather Effects.

Really like this idea...

Mobs in this game are like retarded ducks waiting to be shot. They sit there and smile and wait for the bullet.

I also hate how mobs sit together in nice and neat little clusters which makes absolutely no sense at all. I understand animals herd and gather together, but this is pretty ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

>Want to kill certain monsters for a quest

>they're not out because it's rainy

>gotta wait

Pretty much that, I would assume. I'm not closed to the idea of mob conditions, but I could imagine a lot of complaints. Hell, I'm annoyed that I have to wait for Dodore in the miasma. To make it convenient, they would have to make certain times trigger a type of weather, and that seems too mechanical. I'd rather have enemies appear at all times of the week, rather than certain weather conditions that are at random. They could maybe have it effect certain enemies, like slightly increase their strength, buff them, debuff them, something like that.

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Well, the point of an MMO is that there should be a multitude of things to do. If you can't farm those monster at that very moment, then just go off and get something else done and come back when it is raining

I dunno, when making a game, I feel you have to sort of balance between player convenience and immersion/artistic integrity, and I feel player convenience is getting a little to much attention, limiting a lot of otherwise cool ideas and concepts because others don't want to put up with anything stopping them from doing what they want the second they want to. It's kind of silly in my opinion, particularly in an MMO, which is not a genre meant to really be a 'pick up and play' kind of experience

I miss creepy coblyns.

You know there is allready a massive thread on this very subject? (Check my signature for the AI thread)

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

>Want to kill certain monsters for a quest

>they're not out because it's rainy

>gotta wait

Pretty much that, I would assume. I'm not closed to the idea of mob conditions, but I could imagine a lot of complaints. Hell, I'm annoyed that I have to wait for Dodore in the miasma. To make it convenient, they would have to make certain times trigger a type of weather, and that seems too mechanical. I'd rather have enemies appear at all times of the week, rather than certain weather conditions that are at random. They could maybe have it effect certain enemies, like slightly increase their strength, buff them, debuff them, something like that.

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I'm sorry but at this time I could care less about "waiting" when it comes to making something rare and unique'ish. This game honestly needs some variety to spice things up. I would welcome content that could only be activated only if certain conditions are met, maybe have quest that only are activated when a certain weather condition exits or maybe having to kill mobs under a certain weather condition. I vote the first one so I can randomly be running around a zone and it happens to be raining and I see a NM that I don't normally recognize and decide to go at it only to have it smash my face in the ground. Something like that will encourage me to plan and to seek this NM.

As of lately everything seems to be spoon fed to us I think us as a community is just getting fat and lazy. Sry for the slight rant.

People want mobs to be "EXP providers" and nothing else. To them that's what mobs are (source of EXP and drops). They don't care about anything else. The only thing Yoshi will do to mobs is maybe make them even bigger again.

I would love this sort of thing. (Although I'd be sad if marmots started running away T.T I has a custom petting emote just for interacting with marmots ^^). Being followed around by a horde of Coblyns would be absolutely hilarious!

Maybe it should be taken further and certain monsters react differently to specific races (racial-based content is sorely lacking in this game... I mean look at the storyline; it's the same dialogue regardless of race). Roegadyn should be scary to more monsters, whilst Lalafell should only be scary for very few. Smaller races should also attract more attention from certain wild animals, whilst others are more interested in larger races (e.g. the goats with Roegadyn). It would certainly add to immersion.

I would also love a taming system based on befriending animals. Like feeding them, petting them, spending time with them. They could then start following you as a companion until you go outside a given radius around their territory. And this would include them not being hit by your AoE attacks, and them attacking enemies the player enters combat with unless the enemy's level is significantly higher, in which case, they should run away. Befriending some animals could even give you access to harvesting items from them, e.g. wool from sheep, feathers from birds and various items a marmot might gather (such as nuts).

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Originally Posted by Jynx

You know there is allready a massive thread on this very subject? (Check my signature for the AI thread)

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Actually this isn't primary about mobs following you around or lifting their claws when you approach, its mainly about a mob behavior ecosystem that was mentioned several times in interviews with the Tanaka team. It was stated mobs would fight each other on their own and so as in real life. So you could just walk into two raptors hunting a deer or whatever.

Also this thread is older.

Would be cool if NMs got in fights with lesser mobs as well, kind of like what happens in FFXIII.

Imagine a bunch of raptors attacking great buffalo while he stomps the shit out of them or something.

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Originally Posted by Colino

Would be cool if NMs got in fights with lesser mobs as well, kind of like what happens in FFXIII.

Imagine a bunch of raptors attacking great buffalo while he stomps the shit out of them or something.

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Exactly! When I saw the interview I thought about FFXIII. If someone is able to find the interview it'd be swell. Personally I wouldn't have the patience to watch interviews pre XIV launch again... lol so many lies.

Any traces of ecosystem the game had were removed- e.g. things like monsters having unique behavior patterns (goats following you, etc). I honestly don't care either way if it comes back or not.

actually, while there was certain mob ai, there was no ecosystem. when saying ecosystem I mean this big fish eats the smaller fish thing. I think it'd really make eorzea alive. I really hope yoshi implements this on 2.0

GIVE US BACK WHAT YOU TOOK FROM US.

J/K i would rly like to see mob AI comming back

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Originally Posted by Jocko

Well, the point of an MMO is that there should be a multitude of things to do. If you can't farm those monster at that very moment, then just go off and get something else done and come back when it is raining

I dunno, when making a game, I feel you have to sort of balance between player convenience and immersion/artistic integrity, and I feel player convenience is getting a little to much attention, limiting a lot of otherwise cool ideas and concepts because others don't want to put up with anything stopping them from doing what they want the second they want to. It's kind of silly in my opinion, particularly in an MMO, which is not a genre meant to really be a 'pick up and play' kind of experience

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Fair enough, I can understand that people would want to have a diverse world. It was one of the nicer things about FFXI, but it still had huge drawbacks. I don't see why they can't balance it in some way then.

They are adding migrating mobs in 2.0, but I hear you will need to enter an instance for it.

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Originally Posted by bobbygunz

They are adding migrating mobs in 2.0, but I hear you will need to enter an instance for it.

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You're not very constructive with anything you discuss, are you?

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

You're not very constructive with anything you discuss, are you?

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No, not in this instance.

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Originally Posted by Ruisu

You're not very constructive with anything you discuss, are you?

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Best part is, he's absolutely correct. This is something people would suggest lol.