Healing Warriors

Question for you guys.

First let me make this clear, i'm not wanting to debate benifits of PLD vs WAR. But the fact is Warriors take a higher amount of damage than PLD's.

I notice this the most when i'm speed running WP. We'll pull 3-4 packs and the warrior is taking so much damage I almost can't keep up. I'm chain casting as fast as I posibly can and slowly losing the battle so then I end up hitting my Benadiction to full cure him and start over. This is even with well geared warriors.

My gear is ok, HQ Madman with All accessories DL, Boots and Waist DL.

I try and keep stoneskin up but it seems like it's not very effectie against a warrior and drops within first hit or two. Regen is dangerous in WP with speed runs so I find myself just chaincasting Cure2.

Suggestions other than better gear? At Garuda HM currently for Relic so hoping to have that done reasonably soon.

Stoneskin is horrible in terms of hps equivalent because of the slow cast. Even on a high hp warrior it is really bad to use anytime other than prepull

Regen is excellent and you should be using it, especially if you are having a difficult time keeping up with heals. The amount of healing that regen does vs the time cost to cast it makes it the highest healing spell you have. A single cast heals for roughly 1.5 times more than a cure II if none of the ticks are wasted to overhealing.

Don't forget your other cooldowns - namely the +30% healing cooldown Divine seal that lasts 15 seconds and has a 1minute cooldown. It can be just as useful as benediction.

But all things considered, the madmans rod is a pretty mediocre weapon to be healing multi-pack speed runs. Any of the HM primal weapons would make your life much much easier.

You should regen at the start of every fight. The only time you shouldn't regen is if it looks like the monsters are fixing to die.

I think my issue with Regen in WP is mainly the first leg of the run. Because I feel like it has a long GCD. I can't Cast Regen w hile running because I'll pull the mobs he has only a single flash on but by the time we stop hes probably close to 50% health already, if I try dropping regen as my first heal the GCD usually gets him killed before I can drop a C2.

Upgrade in weapon makes that much of a difference huh? I thought I read somewhere that weapon damage adds to heal amount, is that correct?

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Originally Posted by Githiun

Upgrade in weapon makes that much of a difference huh? I thought I read somewhere that weapon damage adds to heal amount, is that correct?

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That is correct. Weapon damage is far more valuable than mind even

I think if he's hitting 50% HP that fast, the problem is with the warrior. I've run WP and AK with warriors, so I know they CAN do large pulls. I'm guessing your warrior in particular is undergeared for what he's trying to do. He should do smaller, safer pulls, rather than try to pull everything under the sun in that case.

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Originally Posted by Githiun

I think my issue with Regen in WP is mainly the first leg of the run. Because I feel like it has a long GCD. I can't Cast Regen w hile running because I'll pull the mobs he has only a single flash on but by the time we stop hes probably close to 50% health already, if I try dropping regen as my first heal the GCD usually gets him killed before I can drop a C2.

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There are many ways to handle this.

Cure II, Regen, Cure II spam
Regen, Swiftcast Cure II, Cure II spam
If thats still not working
Divine Seal, Cure II, Regen, Cure II spam
Divine Seal, Regen, Swiftcast Cure II, Cure II spam

If the tank is pulling that many enemies, Divine seal should be back off of cooldown by the time he does his next chain pull and you can do it again.

Another trick is to Swiftcast a Holy once the tank stops running which will buy you ~2 GCDs worth of heals before they start damage again.

A decent Warrior (Relic/DL) is going to have 6800-7200HP in Defiance. Roughly (7000HP) a Stoneskin is going to net them a 1260HP shield.


So Stoneskin - wait until they tick some damage - Regen - Swiftcast Stoneskin - You /can/ do this in Cleric Stance since it doesn't effect Stoneskin numbers and Regen is only there to auto-refill the tank until they tick damage again - so you can be contributing with either Stone II or Holy (<3).

When their HP ticks damage again - they should Thrill of Battle (Assuming it's available) and Inner Beast to cap their HP - Stoneskin again here since Thrill of Battle will have raised their Max HP threshold into the 8000+ range (1440+ Shield).

Holy's AoE stun effect really helps cut damage significantly - Warrior on that many mobs can still help cap/recover with quick use of their Inner Beast - tag a quick Stoneskin/Regen can stay at 5000-7200HP without needing a ton of continuous Curing from the healer (assuming your WHM I don't have SCH so I can't speak to how it works)

They should be using Vengence/Bloodbath and have Wrath V if they're trying to tank 2/3/4 groups at once. Convalescence/Inner Beast/Thrill of Battle should be tools they're using to supplement/alleviate the healer long enough for them to put out Holy(s); particularly in WP. Foresight should be up if they're truly pulling en masse.

Eventually - that Stoneskin will drop (quicker depending on mob density) and you will need to swap out of Cleric and start using Cure II/Divine etc - this play is pretty efficient if you've got a Warrior that's working with you, and it let's you belt out some damage without having to sit there with your finger on your Cure II button. They can drop quickly on 9+ mobs but they should have the Wrath V 15% Healing boost and Convalescence 20% ready to further bolster your Divine Seal Cure II - pretty much they can recap or even over-heal in just a few casts.

Warrior has a lot of HP (can get hit for more) so keep that in mind - 2/3 of their HP, and for some 1/2 their HP is still 3000~4000HP - baseline mitigation is going to be similar between a Paladin and a Warrior if both are in DL/Relic for WP; if they're using their abilities right! :)

I hope that helps a bit?

As dragonfly said, you need a better weapon. The difference is very very noticeable.

Very helpful thank you. I don't currently have swiftcast. im leveling my thm to get SC, currently lvl 18. I did Garuda tonight. It was a DF Pug, attempt 1 we wiped, just quirky and didn't go well. Attempt 2 we rocked it and downed her. PLD weapon dropped. It was sooooo easy I was like...well crud might as well try that again. First shot downed her and boom got my weapon. Funny thing is I didn't realize it was 1hd at first. Good thing I had an i55 shield in my inventory.

Haven't tested heals since thing because of maint. We'll see how much of an improvement that has tomorrow.

OMG Im baffled by all the response.

I don't really know how good or bad of a healer you may be, but what none mentioned is the warrior himself.

Warriors have an ability they need to stack, they can stack it to 5 and use it smartly.

The current problem with 99% of warriors in ARR is that they are bad warriors.
They don't even read the tooltip of their own abilities.

Hint:
Read this:

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Defiance
Increases maximum HP by 25%, while lowering damage dealt by 25% and increasing enmity.
Effect ends upon reuse.

Using certain actions while under the effect of Defiance will grant Wrath. Each unit of Wrath increases critical hit rate by 2% and HP recovery via curing magic by 3%.
When five units are stacked, you will become Infuriated. All Wrath is lost when Defiance ends.

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Just as an endnote that makes no contribution to the post: ^ is the reason I don't party with warriors, not in AK, not in WP, and hell no in Coils. (unless I know them, but then again. I haven't found a good warrior in Hyperion)

Beg said war to keep his wrath stacks at 5. And don't take that my dps help bullshit they give for blowing there 15% to heals buff.

"Another trick is to Swiftcast a Holy once the tank stops running which will buy you ~2 GCDs worth of heals before they start damage again."

For the love of creation could someone please explain to my limited mind what "buying" a GCD *Means*?? XD

Holy inlicts stun for 4 seconds. Mobs that are stunned are not hitting the tank, so you can use that time to heal him back up.

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Originally Posted by DivineAyumi

Just as an endnote that makes no contribution to the post: ^ is the reason I don't party with warriors, not in AK, not in WP, and hell no in Coils. (unless I know them, but then again. I haven't found a good warrior in Hyperion)

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I've never had I problem healing warriors in AK and WP, even when doing speed runs. Paladins are a bit easier to heal, sure, but those dungeons are perfectly doable with a warrior.

Coil's a completely different story, however. Would much rather have a paladin there.

Is not that I cant heal them. I can, just that I've had smother, faster runs with 3 DPS+me as WHM there than having a WAR+2DPS+WHM.

Warriors needs to be babysitted way too much because of the reason stated above.

Heck, running 4 DPS AK is smother than having a WAR tank.

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Originally Posted by Githiun

I notice this the most when i'm speed running WP.

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I see the problem here.... what are you trying to do is what the game is not intend for you to do, especially with your low magic dmg weapon.

As for speed run WP, even an allagan gear paladin still need spam cure2 in some pull if mobs are not die quickly enough (due to DPS) and Holy.

What I suggest are
1) Pull what your group can handle due to gear (Tank+Healer+DPS).
2) Swiftcast Holy -> Holy before full stun resist make tank survive longer than spam cure II.