Healing Warriors

[Githiun]

Question for you guys.

First let me make this clear, i'm not wanting to debate benifits of PLD vs WAR. But the fact is Warriors take a higher amount of damage than PLD's.

I notice this the most when i'm speed running WP. We'll pull 3-4 packs and the warrior is taking so much damage I almost can't keep up. I'm chain casting as fast as I posibly can and slowly losing the battle so then I end up hitting my Benadiction to full cure him and start over. This is even with well geared warriors.

My gear is ok, HQ Madman with All accessories DL, Boots and Waist DL.

I try and keep stoneskin up but it seems like it's not very effectie against a warrior and drops within first hit or two. Regen is dangerous in WP with speed runs so I find myself just chaincasting Cure2.

Suggestions other than better gear? At Garuda HM currently for Relic so hoping to have that done reasonably soon.

[dragonflyseksparade]

Stoneskin is horrible in terms of hps equivalent because of the slow cast. Even on a high hp warrior it is really bad to use anytime other than prepull

Regen is excellent and you should be using it, especially if you are having a difficult time keeping up with heals. The amount of healing that regen does vs the time cost to cast it makes it the highest healing spell you have. A single cast heals for roughly 1.5 times more than a cure II if none of the ticks are wasted to overhealing.

Don't forget your other cooldowns - namely the +30% healing cooldown Divine seal that lasts 15 seconds and has a 1minute cooldown. It can be just as useful as benediction.

But all things considered, the madmans rod is a pretty mediocre weapon to be healing multi-pack speed runs. Any of the HM primal weapons would make your life much much easier.

[Urthdigger]

You should regen at the start of every fight. The only time you shouldn't regen is if it looks like the monsters are fixing to die.

[Githiun]

I think my issue with Regen in WP is mainly the first leg of the run. Because I feel like it has a long GCD. I can't Cast Regen w hile running because I'll pull the mobs he has only a single flash on but by the time we stop hes probably close to 50% health already, if I try dropping regen as my first heal the GCD usually gets him killed before I can drop a C2.

Upgrade in weapon makes that much of a difference huh? I thought I read somewhere that weapon damage adds to heal amount, is that correct?

[dragonflyseksparade]

Upgrade in weapon makes that much of a difference huh? I thought I read somewhere that weapon damage adds to heal amount, is that correct?

That is correct. Weapon damage is far more valuable than mind even

[Urthdigger]

I think if he's hitting 50% HP that fast, the problem is with the warrior. I've run WP and AK with warriors, so I know they CAN do large pulls. I'm guessing your warrior in particular is undergeared for what he's trying to do. He should do smaller, safer pulls, rather than try to pull everything under the sun in that case.

[dragonflyseksparade]

I think my issue with Regen in WP is mainly the first leg of the run. Because I feel like it has a long GCD. I can't Cast Regen w hile running because I'll pull the mobs he has only a single flash on but by the time we stop hes probably close to 50% health already, if I try dropping regen as my first heal the GCD usually gets him killed before I can drop a C2.

There are many ways to handle this.

Cure II, Regen, Cure II spam
Regen, Swiftcast Cure II, Cure II spam
If thats still not working
Divine Seal, Cure II, Regen, Cure II spam
Divine Seal, Regen, Swiftcast Cure II, Cure II spam

If the tank is pulling that many enemies, Divine seal should be back off of cooldown by the time he does his next chain pull and you can do it again.

Another trick is to Swiftcast a Holy once the tank stops running which will buy you ~2 GCDs worth of heals before they start damage again.

[Dhex]

A decent Warrior (Relic/DL) is going to have 6800-7200HP in Defiance. Roughly (7000HP) a Stoneskin is going to net them a 1260HP shield.


So Stoneskin - wait until they tick some damage - Regen - Swiftcast Stoneskin - You /can/ do this in Cleric Stance since it doesn't effect Stoneskin numbers and Regen is only there to auto-refill the tank until they tick damage again - so you can be contributing with either Stone II or Holy (<3).

When their HP ticks damage again - they should Thrill of Battle (Assuming it's available) and Inner Beast to cap their HP - Stoneskin again here since Thrill of Battle will have raised their Max HP threshold into the 8000+ range (1440+ Shield).

Holy's AoE stun effect really helps cut damage significantly - Warrior on that many mobs can still help cap/recover with quick use of their Inner Beast - tag a quick Stoneskin/Regen can stay at 5000-7200HP without needing a ton of continuous Curing from the healer (assuming your WHM I don't have SCH so I can't speak to how it works)

They should be using Vengence/Bloodbath and have Wrath V if they're trying to tank 2/3/4 groups at once. Convalescence/Inner Beast/Thrill of Battle should be tools they're using to supplement/alleviate the healer long enough for them to put out Holy(s); particularly in WP. Foresight should be up if they're truly pulling en masse.

Eventually - that Stoneskin will drop (quicker depending on mob density) and you will need to swap out of Cleric and start using Cure II/Divine etc - this play is pretty efficient if you've got a Warrior that's working with you, and it let's you belt out some damage without having to sit there with your finger on your Cure II button. They can drop quickly on 9+ mobs but they should have the Wrath V 15% Healing boost and Convalescence 20% ready to further bolster your Divine Seal Cure II - pretty much they can recap or even over-heal in just a few casts.

Warrior has a lot of HP (can get hit for more) so keep that in mind - 2/3 of their HP, and for some 1/2 their HP is still 3000~4000HP - baseline mitigation is going to be similar between a Paladin and a Warrior if both are in DL/Relic for WP; if they're using their abilities right!

I hope that helps a bit?

[Estellios]

As dragonfly said, you need a better weapon. The difference is very very noticeable.

[Githiun]

Very helpful thank you. I don't currently have swiftcast. im leveling my thm to get SC, currently lvl 18. I did Garuda tonight. It was a DF Pug, attempt 1 we wiped, just quirky and didn't go well. Attempt 2 we rocked it and downed her. PLD weapon dropped. It was sooooo easy I was like...well crud might as well try that again. First shot downed her and boom got my weapon. Funny thing is I didn't realize it was 1hd at first. Good thing I had an i55 shield in my inventory.

Haven't tested heals since thing because of maint. We'll see how much of an improvement that has tomorrow.