The food economy needs help!

There's a strange problem with the culinary world and food use.

You see food used to be kind of a big deal, but these days it seems like it's only used in coil regularly.

Here's a few reasons why:

Crafting top end foods requires a large amount of shards, making crafters generally sell foods at higher prices for very little profits.

Players don't consume as much because the price is too high for the reward.

When you DF you might wipe on the first pull so why waste the food right?

There's a lot of reasons players don't use foods as regularly as we are used to seeing?

What changes would you all like to see if any? Discuss!

The reason you only see people in Coil using it is because it's a waste of money and not needed before that.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

The reason you only see people in Coil using it is because it's a waste of money and not needed before that.

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Another craft down the potential drain.
I'm wonderin' if I really wanna be a CUL but not if I not going to make a profit... S:
I just think, rush to 50 crafts are sad because that's the only time they are useful.
Well...My 21 GSM has been making neat cash.

You can make plenty of gil as a Culinarian, just don't bother making 45+ food - it's too expensive to craft and kind of pointless besides. Mid-level stuff like walnut bread, fried eggs, etc. bring in more than enough cash though, and it's one of the least boring/easier jobs to level, in my experience (especially if you've got a botanist or are leveling one).

The OP speaks Truth, and as another poster highlighted this is one more crafting professions that has no value outside of a niche part of the game. Like a few other professions, culinary needs to be fixed in order for players to have more use of it trough every lvl bracket.
Maybe increase yield of every synth and/or reduce mats required?

If they doubled the duration of the food so it could last for a whole non speedrun'd dungeon via DF that would probably increase demand and be an alternate way to offset the shard cost.

I like to use food but yup I just stick to the cheaper mid range stuff thats about 150-500g each. Only time I went overboard on food was on my bard alt with hq apkallu omelettes on titan for her relic fight because I really wanted that fight to be over with.

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theres alot more than just the food market that needs help in this game lol....

Agreed, those potions are even more useless, I mean what's the use of having an extra 30 str for 15 seconds?

I/my hubby makes all my own food. And we use it all the time.

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Originally Posted by Arcaloid

Agreed, those potions are even more useless, I mean what's the use of having an extra 30 str for 15 seconds?

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Not sure about other stat potions, but intelligence potions during one of my BLM's nuking frenzies with raging strikes makes him very unpopular with tanks lol.

If food actually lasted through death, people would see the value in food and buy it more.

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Originally Posted by Illya

If food actually lasted through death, people would see the value in food and buy it more.

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I agree with this. In a game that relies so heavily on a player matching system, that often times you get paired with players new to an instance or just not that skilled, I think it would be an excellent change to make food last through a KO. There's just too much chance for death and therefore wasted gil.

the sad thing is, the best way for a culinarian to make money is to sell HQ foods that are meant to be turned in for leves :\

Food should last the entire duration of a DF instance and not when you wipe in the first 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Sephirah

The reason you only see people in Coil using it is because it's a waste of money and not needed before that.

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Because the buffs are so trivial its barely noticable. 3-8% buffs is pathetic, at the high end, food typically only buff 3-4% as well.

As soon as SE fix the food system so that it gives 20-25% buffs like in FF11, you shall see massive demand for it from everyone, people leveling up will want to use to speed up kills, normal dungeon runners will use it, quicker run times etc and raiders will absolutely require the best. Obviously content needs to scale up in difficulty a bit to adjust. But the current system is underwhelming.

Buy the food in the town west of Quarrymill from the "Alehouse Wench"

gg Food AH... GG

(some people buy Honey Muffins from her for 31 gil and sell it on AH for 300 gil a piece LOLOLOL)

once again, gg culinarians

No need to use food is well yeah.

Use food all the time to all jobs in every situations. There's a food for all of that that makes you perfomance more effective. You play like you want people should use food imho:)

Food buff should stay after death. Nuff said.

The community needs to put more thought into these discussions. Let me point something out for the community members.

If you increase the buff duration from the consumables, you have to understand that people who were using your goods will now buy less because the buff is now prolonged. Others who feel that it maybe significant now, will also buy some but due to the extended buff duration, they too will only buy a few. You may not even notice an increase in demand for consumables. You even face the chance of having your market plummet further.

Food buffs are significant regardless the percentage. If you are a serious raider you will know that the significance of consumable buffs is apparent when everyone in your raid also uses consumables because all those extra stats buildup. It may appear insignificant by yourself but overall it is ALOT when used appropriately.

Imo a somewhat decent solution would be to make gathering shards easier, like it was in Beta. You had 7 attempts per gathering and the blessings would give you 5 per attempt, so 35 shards per gathering spot. Now its 4 attempts with 3 shards with blessings, so 12. That caused shard prices to skyrocket and they are way overpriced for an item that every lvl1 gatherer can collect.

If you buff them back to the old standards the prices for shards would fall down to something reasonable, thus making food crafting a lot less pricey.

Now i am not saying we should have back 7 gathering attempts, as this affects all gathered items and the prices are already pretty low for some of them but the blessings should at least be brought back to their old standard of 5, hell even 10 sounds very reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Sapphires

If they doubled the duration of the food so it could last for a whole non speedrun'd dungeon via DF that would probably increase demand and be an alternate way to offset the shard cost.

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Nah, what they need to do is bring back how useful food was in FFXI and XIV 1.2x - Look here:

http://ffxiv.mozk-tabetai.com/

Go into Item > Dishes and you'll exactly how much better food was with the same durations. They need to redo the stats and % on some of the foods - I know he wants to follow certain MMO's design through and through but the food system in Xi and Xiv 1.x were actually..the most useful out of all MMOs I've played.

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Originally Posted by ChaozK

Imo a somewhat decent solution would be to make gathering shards easier, like it was in Beta. You had 7 attempts per gathering and the blessings would give you 5 per attempt, so 35 shards per gathering spot. Now its 4 attempts with 3 shards with blessings, so 12. That caused shard prices to skyrocket and they are way overpriced for an item that every lvl1 gatherer can collect.

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To be honest it would be better if they brought back 1.x recipes - As in allow us to convert fish into shards through alchemy and create crystals/clusters.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Nah, what they need to do is bring back how useful food was in FFXI and XIV 1.2x - Look here:

http://ffxiv.mozk-tabetai.com/

Go into Item > Dishes and you'll exactly how much better food was with the same durations. They need to redo the stats and % on some of the foods - I know he wants to follow certain MMO's design through and through but the food system in Xi and Xiv 1.x were actually..the most useful out of all MMOs I've played.



To be honest it would be better if they brought back 1.x recipes - As in allow us to convert fish into shards through alchemy and create crystals/clusters.

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I like the current crafting system, however I agree with what you stated about making food like XI and 1.2XX, also the alchemy thing was great for when you needed shards, would boost the perspective markets for said crafts too.

The only reason to use food is when crafting or for the 3% exper. You can get the 3% exper from vendor trash.

HQ 5% exper and base it on level. If you are killing 45 mobs, then you need better food to get an experience buff. This way people won't just buy the cheapest available.

As for the Shard issue, I've complained about that all I am going to complain. Right now on Sargatanas, Lightening shards are selling for the same price as Lightening crystals. There's a reason. Square know what the reason is. I don't know why shards were gimped off the way they were. No reason was given.

Food is great, its like an extra piece of gear! Also, you CAN make a decent amount of gil, you just have to pay close attention to the markets, and don't be fooled by crafting level (meaning: low level synths can be highly profitable, especially if you HQ them). The one thing I would like to see is a wider variety of buff types, and also food that is more situation-specific (like, i dunno, +10 wind resistance, magic evasion, debuff protection...stuff like that). Something that would give lower level foods a purpose, instead of this "tiered" system. It would be a 'spikey' market but at least there'd be movement.

Food should get a buff. If it exists in the game as an enhancement, SE should make it worth using, often, if not all the time. HQ should get an increase in duration from 30m to an hour. That could be a good start right?

For me, gathering and crafting the food isnt the issue. Its the Market. Every idiot that puts something up to sell drops the price by half and eventually its not worth making for profit.
Great for buyers.
Bad for crafters.

So .. i just stopped.

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Originally Posted by ZonZon

For me, gathering and crafting the food isnt the issue. Its the Market. Every idiot that puts something up to sell drops the price by half and eventually its not worth making for profit.
Great for buyers.
Bad for crafters.

So .. i just stopped.

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Agreed, undercutters kill the economy.

Just let it last through death! for the love of god! lol

I agree food needs to be better for more to buy it. I have never bought food from the MB @ all. The few times i did use food, i bought it for cheaper @ the shops. Some people mark the prices too high, and i'm very cheap when i spend, so i'll even look around for better prices even if it saves me a few hundred gil.

Another issue is losing food after death. So your character suddenly throws up after being KO'ed or what? I usually run dungeons through dutyfinder, and as a healer the death rate seems to be high for some rediculous reason. So i feel why use food if i'm only going to die anyways. The only time i do usually use food on healer is when it was from a Leve quest. :p

Have you done the math on some of the high end food? Its impossible to get the full value of the bonus as you do not have enough base stats cause food is based on percentages, this does not help you any.
The 2 star food is too expensive and I will avoid it due to cost and no extra gains, try making 45-49 food which people can get the full benefits of. It will be cheaper for you to make and sells faster and more consistently.

I'm glad a lot of you are taking the time to respond to my topic... Some key points I saw were: (And I apologize for being to lazy to directly quote everyone!)

Food lasting through death: This is the number one reason I don't buy top end food. I prefer the Alehouse Wench food also mentioned in this topic.

Insignificant gains debunked: Someone mentioned along the way that even though you don't see a significant gain by yourself... Spread over 8 members of the party the gain is very significant. This may be the best point I saw that I didn't previously think of.

Food is like an extra piece of gear: There is truth to this! You'd spend a few hundred Mythology Tomes for the same gains if they were permanent. Why not spend a few hundred gil for temporary gains.

You can't max high end foods: This is currently true... but then these foods are iLevel 70. Are they a simple plan or vision into the future?

Great comments from everyone keep them coming!