Sentinel&Rampart

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10-28-2013, 02:59 AM
Hilding

Sentinel&Rampart

I couldn't find any info on this, maybe someone here knows anything.

If I have rampart and sentinel active at the same time does the damage mitigation stack?
10-28-2013, 03:05 AM
Leiron

They stack additively yes.
They stack multiplicatively with Shield Oath.
10-28-2013, 08:01 AM
Paikis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leiron

They stack additively yes.
They stack multiplicatively with Shield Oath.

Citation?

/tenchar
10-28-2013, 10:45 AM
Leiron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paikis

Citation?

/tenchar

Its from what I have tested on mobs.
Do you have data suggesting otherwise?
10-28-2013, 10:46 AM
Paikis

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leiron

Its from what I have tested on mobs.
Do you have data suggesting otherwise?

I do not, it just seems a strange way to do it.
10-28-2013, 10:53 AM
Leiron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paikis

I do not, it just seems a strange way to do it.

It sounds weird I know, but Shield oath mitigates damage, Rampart and sentinel then mitigate it further after the calculation for SO is done.

Its why incoming damage isn't dropped to an extremely low number.
10-31-2013, 03:37 AM
Hilding

Kewl. Thanks :)
10-31-2013, 03:57 AM
Kitru

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leiron

Its from what I have tested on mobs.

Are you sure? Most other simultaneous effects in ARR are multiplicative with similar buffs, not additive. Given the nature of damage ranges and the similar levels of mitigation you'd achieve from either additive or multiplicative mechanics (additive would put you at 40% damage taken; multiplicative would put you at 48% which is well within the range of damage ranges suggesting identical results), unless you have a very large sample size, I'd lean towards Rampart/Sentinel following the existing pattern rather than being a unique case.
10-31-2013, 04:09 AM
Leiron

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitru

Are you sure? Most other simultaneous effects in ARR are multiplicative with similar buffs, not additive. Given the nature of damage ranges and the similar levels of mitigation you'd achieve from either additive or multiplicative mechanics (additive would put you at 40% damage taken; multiplicative would put you at 48% which is well within the range of damage ranges suggesting identical results), unless you have a very large sample size, I'd lean towards Rampart/Sentinel following the existing pattern rather than being a unique case.

I'll give it a shot again since i ddn't record it properly, but I am very sure that Shield oath is multiplicative towards Sentinel/Rampart.
10-31-2013, 04:20 AM
Kitru

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leiron

I'll give it a shot again since i ddn't record it properly, but I am very sure that Shield oath is multiplicative towards Sentinel/Rampart.

Oh, I know that Shield Oath is multiplicative with the buffs. You said that Sentinel and Rampart are additive with each other, which is what I'm doubting.
10-31-2013, 04:59 AM
Coramac

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kitru

Are you sure? Most other simultaneous effects in ARR are multiplicative with similar buffs, not additive. Given the nature of damage ranges and the similar levels of mitigation you'd achieve from either additive or multiplicative mechanics (additive would put you at 40% damage taken; multiplicative would put you at 48% which is well within the range of damage ranges suggesting identical results), unless you have a very large sample size, I'd lean towards Rampart/Sentinel following the existing pattern rather than being a unique case.

You can shortcut sample sizes by using the damage range.

Example: Damage range is 90-110.

40% damage taken range is 36 to 44. 48% damage taken range is 43.2 to 52.8. This chosen range works out well, but it'll be similar to any range. Calculate the ranges separately, any number that falls outside of one of the ranges invalidates that range. The biggest advantage here is that samples with the buffs up are going to be much more difficult to obtain. You only need to write down max / min of incoming attacks and then need (probably) only one sample of data with the buffs up.

I'd also be very surprised if they additively stack damage reduction. That's just too powerful.
10-31-2013, 06:52 AM
Remn

i think it fine if they stack additively. I meant Sentinel has 180sec CD, meaning u can have it stack with Rampart for only 10sec, then have to wait 170sec. plus, stacking Sen with Rampart is just too wasteful. ><