Gear requirements for Coils as healer?

I'm mostly just curious, because I don't expect my gear to stand up to Coils, but I'd like to know where I should be at before I attempt it.

So far I have beaten all the Primals. I have my Relic, Vanya robes of Healing, and the rest of my gear is iLvl 55 crafted, which is better than the iLvl 60 stuff I can find as dungeon drops. I have two pieces of Jewelry from AK (necklace and a ring I believe), with the rest of it being HQ crafted jewelry melded with Vit. I almost have enough tomes to make myself a Vanya hat of Healing.

So, is this gear good enough for Coils? To get a full set of crafted iLvl 70 gear it will take about 19125 tomes, which I do NOT want to do before Coils. I will not be getting the Vanya pants, because they take 27 tome items, which costs well over triple Darklight, but on the flip side, I'll choose the crafted gear that I can see over Darklight, because I hate the look.

Get some DL unless you want to buy some vanya's pieces. You don't need a full set and your vanya's rob covers any aesthetic issues you have. Gimping yourself for aesthetic reasons is doing yourself and, more importantly, your group a disservice considering the gear check Coil has.

Im wandering the same, do I need full DL and Relic +1?

As a WHM I am doing well with full DL and Thyrus+1. Our group's SCH has full DL but no Omnilex+1, yet we have no trouble clearing turn 1-4 in under 1h.

As a general rule, a lot of FCs simply require full darklight/crafted before taking people into coil. Its a solid baseline, and realistically, the content is very demanding in terms of execution and skill (Turn 1 will hit your tank for a lot, if your mind isn't high enough, you simply can't do anything about it to keep up).

Basically you should aim to be full ilvl70 with at least an i80 weapon. This isn't about "well I know this guy who did it in full AF you should just be better." This is about bringing a fair contribution to your team. I'm sure if you joined an experienced team where every member is already in several piecs of 90, a i60 healer could get carreid, but why would you want to be carried?


Just get the darklight blet/gloves/pants/boots to wear under your robes (i think the gloves and boots in particular are very pretty) and either crafted accessories or darklight accessories. All of those slots are substantially less tomes than the crafted equivilants, and will get you in the door.

That said, everyone else in your group will have grinded out full dl, and probably before the rescent updates to WP which make it take 1/3 the time.

DL and Relic is fine for a healer as long as you know what you are doing :) Heck DL and Garuda weapon will be fine, the gear demands are on DPS and Tanks for this one.. although Relic+1 and full AF+1 would hae peoples attention, as long as you are a competant healer i dont believe its that important

Thanks for the replies everyone, by the sounds of it, it looks like I should wait until having a full set of darklight/2 star crafted gear.

@Vech I never said I was going to be wearing bad gear, just that I prefer to wear Vanya over Darklight, which is fine because Vanya is actually better. I'll be getting Vanya chest piece and hat, then probably darklight everything else.

Keep in mind that this is a SE game and that last FF MMO that SE made was FFXI. In FFXI, my friends and I had this old adage: "The worse a piece of gear looks the better it is!"

For Scholars I'd also suggest to get at least all Darklight before trying it, and get Conjurer to 34 for Stoneskin, putting it on your faerie and maybe party members in mid-battle is quite useful. C;

@peaches Do I really have to quote what you said in your first post?

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So far I have beaten all the Primals. I have my Relic, Vanya robes of Healing, and the rest of my gear is iLvl 55 crafted, which is better than the iLvl 60 stuff I can find as dungeon drops. I have two pieces of Jewelry from AK (necklace and a ring I believe), with the rest of it being HQ crafted jewelry melded with Vit. I almost have enough tomes to make myself a Vanya hat of Healing.

So, is this gear good enough for Coils? To get a full set of crafted iLvl 70 gear it will take about 19125 tomes, which I do NOT want to do before Coils.

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Sounds like you were attempting to find a Coil group with some relatively "bad" gear.

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

For Scholars I'd also suggest to get at least all Darklight before trying it, and get Conjurer to 34 for Stoneskin, putting it on your faerie and maybe party members in mid-battle is quite useful. C;

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stoneskin is useless on SCH without the WHM trait

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Originally Posted by DenzelTaru

stoneskin is useless on SCH without the WHM trait

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Pretty much. I don't even bother to have it on my hotbar when I play my SCH.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

Keep in mind that this is a SE game and that last FF MMO that SE made was FFXI. In FFXI, my friends and I had this old adage: "The worse a piece of gear looks the better it is!"

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Ugh, so true! When I hit 50 my friend had some 1 star crafted gear for me and it looked HORRIBLE. And from what I've seen of the allagan armor...

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Originally Posted by Vech

@peaches Do I really have to quote what you said in your first post? Sounds like you were attempting to find a Coil group with some relatively "bad" gear.

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Whoa, chill man there's no need to get like that. No, I was just asking if my current gear was good enough to even attempt it or not. Do you find it fun farming AK/WP literally 200 times for 20k tomes though? Highly doubtful.

Mostly thinking from the WHM perspective, to start Coil, I think the following would be "safe" contribution in Turn 1 and Turn 2.

HP 3200+
Relic with Mind 440+ OR Relic +1 with Mind 415
Thaumaturge's Swiftcast

And from a white mage perspective, that should be enough to get you through Turn 1 and 2, statistically speaking if working with iLevel 70 geared Paladin relic tanks.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Mostly thinking from the WHM perspective, to start Coil, I think the following would be "safe" contribution in Turn 1 and Turn 2.

HP 3200+
Relic with Mind 440+ OR Relic +1 with Mind 415
Thaumaturge's Swiftcast

And from a white mage perspective, that should be enough to get you through Turn 1 and 2, statistically speaking if working with iLevel 70 geared Paladin relic tanks.

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So, essentially the same gear you would need for Titan, just with your Relic? I was talking to a few people in game who all said to get full darklight or equal gear, but they also told me that's only if I'm trying to clear turn 4.

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Originally Posted by peaches

Ugh, so true! When I hit 50 my friend had some 1 star crafted gear for me and it looked HORRIBLE. And from what I've seen of the allagan armor...



Whoa, chill man there's no need to get like that. No, I was just asking if my current gear was good enough to even attempt it or not. Do you find it fun farming AK/WP literally 200 times for 20k tomes though? Highly doubtful.

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I am chill. You literally told me that the advice I was giving you was not in tandem with the question you asked, when it was. I corrected you by reiterating your own question.

For full DL gear it is literally less than 50 runs. With the gear you currently have that is around 30 runs. If you do WP with a shout group you can get that many tomes in less than 10 hours tops. This isn't hard. It's not rocket science. It just requires some work ethics.

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Originally Posted by peaches

So, essentially the same gear you would need for Titan, just with your Relic? I was talking to a few people in game who all said to get full darklight or equal gear, but they also told me that's only if I'm trying to clear turn 4.

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I would say the recommended stats for Titan would be lower, e.g. iLevel 52-60 gear, spell damage 59 staff, etc. But with weaker gear, requires tighter playing with the whole party. The more you have, the more breathing room you will be afforded and with enough room, can respond to mistakes and/or looser party play.

WHM need slightly better gear than a SCH. SCH have better and more mana efficient single target heals if they force their pet to heal with them and use cooldowns correctly. Turn 1 and 4 requires both to do some st healing on each tank. The WHM has to take care of aoe heals in turn 2 and last phase of 4, so they need massive mana, while the scholar will stay on the tank.

If you're a scholar, you can get away with relic and on avg ilvl 60 gear. WHM needs to have full DL mainly for mana issues and +1 to have an easier time on tank healing solo.

This is just my personal experience though. I did not have full DL or relic+1 when i started and had no problems keeping my tank up. I just had to really use all my skills with little room for error.

Alright, thanks for all the advice guys. I won't bother trying until I have all iLvl 70 pieces.

Vech, this game isn't a job and I don't need "work ethics" in a game. I have plenty of dedication, leveling all my classes (including two crafting classes) to 50 without leves or fates, AND getting my Luminary Pick through the achievement. So don't go judging people. For full DL maybe it's only 50 runs - lol, I love how 50 runs is "only" - but full Vanya is 19k tomes, which is 190 runs. That's not a matter of "work ethics" but mind numbing boredom.

Stop treating this game like a job and try having fun for a while.

If you have a static Coil party, it might still be worth going in for exposure to see how far you can push your current gear setup. As your experience grows as does your party's synergy, you may start to notice the bottlenecks in both gear and play styles to let you tighten up.

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Now you are irritating me. I have loads of fun! I love pushing content. What you find fun, I may find boring and vice versa. I offered you my advice and you decided to get into a pissing match with me. You have to work a little to have a lot of fun. This is how MMOs have worked since the beginning of the genre. Treating this game like a job? I play for less than four hours a day and I am pushing endgame content with full DL/Allagan/Myth gear.

Grow up and stop picking fights when you disagree because you want an easy solution that doesn't even exist.

Healers are always the class that can get away with gear requirements in this game or any other game.

That being said, with my main account (Asuna Yuuki) I went in with full DL set when I first step in coil. It was a joke healing. However Coil 4 showed a little challenge with DL set but totally do-able.

My second character (Yui MHCP) step into coil with nothing but an Ifrit weapon, a Santa body piece, A santa boot, and everything else AK gear except my earrings which was a flower (lvl1) earring.

I healed for about 700 HP per Cure2 and when I was fighting the boss in coil1 the other WHM let his tank die, he died right after. I was forced to use Benediction, I was left with 5%MP since BRD never casted MP song, Snakes merged, I was forced to use an MP Elixir, I used 2 more cure 2s and boss died.
I got my gloves out of that fight.

Coil2 was a joke, I got my earrings out of it.

Coil4 was impossible to do with current gear, lol.


Conclusion: I depends on how good you are with heals/MP Management.

Currently, Yui is doing Coil1 and 2 every week. I got her her BRD AF2 body piece and Belt this week :p

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Originally Posted by peaches

For full DL maybe it's only 50 runs - lol, I love how 50 runs is "only" - but full Vanya is 19k tomes, which is 190 runs.

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You can level a craft and earn enough gil to buy the gear WAY faster than you can earn all those tomes. That's really the slowest and hardest way of doing it. Turning in tomes for materials is only worthwhile for folks who don't need them for anything else, IMO.

I play a scholar so i can talk to that.
Turn 1 has no real gear check. Healing isn't an issue if you manage the feeds correctly.
Turn 2 is more of a raid organization check. As long as the tanks properly swap and people avoid stupid damage, healing shouldn't be the issue.
Turn 4 is really a dps/mt gear check. I clear turn 4 with no issue with mostly ak gear. I did over 60% of the raid healing on turn 4 with 4 dl pieces the rest ak, and +1 weapon, I also was responsible for the main tank which gets hit HARD.
Our wmage has pretty serious mana issues though its possible they are more gear dependent? Probably best for a wmage to answer that.

There shouldn't be any sort of gear check unless you straight up were carried through the Relic quest.

The requirements of a healer are roughly similar to that of Titan HM, plus a relic weapon. Your HP doesn't matter a ton, just a matter of preference on buffer quantity. Heals on a scholar are pretty easy to hit. Food isn't particularly necessary on any turn through 4.

You should far more concerned with your DPS and tank gear. Those are the true checks.

Turn 1 - Basic tank/spank, consistent healing throughput. Maybe a little MP management.
Turn 2 - Raid awareness, coordination. Only gets hard if you fail awareness/coordination.
Turn 3 - N/A
Turn 4 - Coordination and DPS/Tank check. No amount of throughput in the world will save a weak tank. By this point you should have full DL/Relic - which is fine.