Hi everyone. I am having a hard time to decide between getting my +1 wep or af2 what would benefit me the most. I am a sch DL down which should I go first? I think my +1 first since I got on DL to work with it while I work on getting my af2s 1 by 1. Any suggestions?
Relic +1 or AF2 body
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10-23-2013, 07:33 AMzoeromeoRelic +1 or AF2 body
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10-23-2013, 07:35 AMNoahlimitsFrom a mathematical standpoint (from what I've read) the Relic +1 is better in almost every instance of one individual piece of AF2. I think the only wash being Bard.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoeromeo
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10-23-2013, 07:39 AMMairuzu
Relic+1 definitely.
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10-23-2013, 07:51 AMNuinn
Relic+1 most definitely. Both you and your fairy will benefit from it (skill-wise) more than you would from a single piece of Mythos AF. You'll love it :3 and you'll get random parties faster for grinding AK/WP/PRAE if you /sh as Relic +1, as you can go Cleric Stance more often and spam the DoTs, that way helping make the runs faster (Ruse the fairy, Lustrate when needed) depending on the rest of your party members, their gear and their playing skill, of course.
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10-23-2013, 08:14 AMNaunet
Honestly, I'm getting my relic chest first simply because I don't want to wear the ugly cowl and I don't wanna get crap from folk about still being in AF gear a month or so from now. xD So relic chest first, then the weapon.
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10-23-2013, 08:40 AMNoahlimitsRelic +1 makes you heal WAY better though. Unless if you're in it to look awesome, then AF2 is the way to go.Quote:
Originally Posted by Naunet
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10-23-2013, 09:13 AMDreamerI grabbed the AF2 chest first myself. The AK gear simply atrocious in terms of looks. Unless your FC is doing weekly Coil runs, Relic+1 is overkill for all of the content you'll be running.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noahlimits
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10-23-2013, 09:37 AMFlionheart
I got the bow+1 first, for the sole reason that it's sparkly.
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10-23-2013, 09:37 AMFelis
Relic +1.
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10-23-2013, 09:46 AMNintenPyjak64
I'd go for body first then pants, and ignore the +1 book. I'd even aim for the Allagan book of healing for when turn 5 is actually downable (same deal for Bard)
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10-23-2013, 10:33 AMreality_check
I opted for my AF pieces over my staff first. Weapon upgrade for me was only 5 vitality, the body was 13 vitality and 6 defense/magic defense. Remember all those times you've died on that sixth tumult of Titan right before you could sneak that second heal in? Yeah.
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10-23-2013, 10:37 AMKaedan94
This isn't specifically directed at Scholar, but I really get confused when people say to get the +1 weapon over Myth gear. Usually the +1 relic is only a few points better than the regular relic, where Myth gear gives you twice if not three times bigger stat increases.
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10-23-2013, 10:50 AMAllyrionFor monks and dragoons, for examples (it's what I know), weapon equates to roughly 7.5 str.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan94
Using the monk set as an example
The relic+1 is 2 weapon damage increase which is equivalent to 14 str. If you add the actual strength on the gear (which is an increase of 4), you get an upgrade of 18 in your main stat.
The Melee cyclas (monk chest) compared to the darklight chest has a difference of 9 in strength.
So the Relic+1 is twice of a main stat upgrade compared to the upgrading the chest piece. I believe all dps classes have a similar result, with the exception of bards who have lower weapon damage or something.
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10-23-2013, 11:13 AMWolf_Gang
DO NOT +1 YOUR RELIC
Work on a Crit build.
Get Rose Gold Circlet, Vanya Tunic of Healing, Vanya Gloves of Healing, and Spruce Pattens. Meld them with Crit Materia.
Spend your Myth on either Argute pants or Hero accessories. Wait til you run Coil for the week before you buy myth piece.
As an endgame SCH. Raw healing increase is not priority. Crit is. Because healing is situational, it's not like DPS where you can just multiply healing amount X # of heals.
The double crit affect you get from Adloquim makes a MASSIVE difference in healing in Binding coil of Bahamut.
The only classes that should +1 are BLM, SMN, DRG, and MNK -
10-23-2013, 11:33 AMHoroBoro
I love that +1... But the cowl is just... So ugly..
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10-23-2013, 12:43 PMKaedan94Congratulations on being incredibly tunnel visioned. Because of course STR is the only stat on gear... >.> (/sarcasm for those that have trouble detecting it).Quote:
Originally Posted by Allyrion
Protip: look at all stats on the gear. STR is not the only important stat. Crit, ACC and to a smaller extent Determination and Skill Speed. So many DPS are horrible because they don't have the ACC for CoB because "ooh, shiny weapon and MOAR DAMAGE". -
10-23-2013, 01:17 PMNihilityyour weapon damage is the single biggest impact on pretty much anything making that +3 damage you get from relic weapon+1 pretty much the best thing you can spend myth tomes on. Even for a bard with bows being weaker than other weapons, it is still the biggest impact, and honestly it's even better than the bow from twintania so why wouldn't you want best in the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan94
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10-23-2013, 11:46 PMKikInperiCongrats on sounding like a jerk for no reasonQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan94
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10-23-2013, 11:54 PMBluebun
I'm at this impasse as well, but for WAR. I don't want to get the Darklight Body, because I refuse to look like a Soup can, and I'm sitting at about 1K myth tombs. So right now I have hoplite circlet and tabard. Should I go for relic +1 or AF2 Body?
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10-24-2013, 12:55 AMAllyrionThe irony here is you can't comprehend why I didn't include the other stats.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaedan94
Strength/Intelligence is the base upgrade of the item level budget. The secondary stats and values for them all change depending on the set and the job. There is no way to make a general comparison because all the stats are valued differently and are different on each set.
To further complicate the matter, most classes aren't even sure what those stat values are because further testing is needed to establish their returns. The only exception being Acc, which you should get on your other pieces anyway. I'm full darklight and I'm way overcapped on ACC because I wasn't willing to pay for any gryphonskin alternatives.
If you are truly min-maxing, you want the MINIMAL accuracy after you reach the cap. You want to reach the point and then have no more accuracy, since its value is then 0. You would not give up weapon damage (the strongest dps stat) for a stat that turns to 0 and you can cap on other pieces of gear.
Maybe other sets don't over-cap as much as the monk, but you should be able to get it even if you have to eat ACC food.
When you're talking about twice the STR in comparison, no other stats can make up for it since they're on the same item level budget.
Do you understand? You're getting double the strength and the same budget for the other stats.
A weapon upgrade is like upgrading to a level 100 armor piece that has the same the secondary stats of a level 90 piece.
IN FACT, the monk piece has +4 acc and +2 SS compared to the 90 chest. It is better in EVERY WAY except M. Def and Def.
Do I need to draw a side by side comparison with the stat values, including acc as the most valuable assuming you're uncapped?
Even if the relic didn't have more acc, it would not matter. You can acc cap with other gear. The relic is always the most efficient spending of myth unless you're a bard/tank/healer.
In which case, I couldn't tell you.
Someone being too retarded to ACC cap before coil doesn't change this.
Either you knew all and you just couldn't think for a second because you have a superiority complex.
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10-24-2013, 12:59 AMRyuujinZERO
For scholar, Relic+1 yields ~1% more effectiveness from a single upgrade than AF1.5.
HOWEVER, and this is a big however for some - I personally don't feel 1% more DPS, is worth being consigned to wearing a hobo sack for eternity. Which is why i personally opted for the AF1.333 gear instead.