My idea is simple, keep the Myth Tome cap @ 300 per week allotted from AK,WP,Primals. However, let people gain an additional 300 tomes from running the rest of the lower level dungeons abeit at a rate of 2-5 myth tomes per run.
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Soft Cap Myth Tomes!
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10-23-2013, 02:08 AMZonerSoft Cap Myth Tomes!
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10-23-2013, 02:11 AMLyndoggy_Dog
what do we do if we disagree?
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10-23-2013, 02:16 AMZoner
Ideally there should be no cap at all, but lets be real SE won't take off the cap for some time, so I'd like to make a compromise to meet in the middle which is a Soft Cap
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10-23-2013, 02:17 AMAirget
I think it would work better as a concept that increases your weekly gains for that week only if you run lower level dungeons as your 50 class. So if you are a 50 Warrior that reached their cap and want more, you queue up in a lower level dungeon and upon helping out new players you gain +15 to your mytho cap allowing you to earn 15 more Mytho for up to 300 more Mytho for that week, So while yes you would first have to do 20 lower level dungeons to reach that 300 cap, you would then also have to do another 8 or so dungeons to reach the cap itself. Which would be a time consuming process but in the end you help both sides, make it easier for lower levels to duty find dungeons with, and high levels having a means to gaining more mytho that week. (The other restriction would be you have to queue solo for the gains to work)
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10-23-2013, 02:21 AMZonerI agree that lvl 50 players need a reason to revisit low lvl dungeons to help the newbies as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Airget
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10-23-2013, 02:22 AMSwishytail
Only problem I see here is all the speed-rushers wanting to blast through lower
level dungeons, causing new players hassle. Elitism would get out of control. -
10-23-2013, 02:23 AMSayura_The speed running elitests usually create their own relic +1 only groups though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swishytail
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10-23-2013, 02:25 AMZonerPerhaps, but even more discouraging for new players is waiting on a 2 hour queue to progress in the story lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Swishytail
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10-23-2013, 02:25 AMSwishytailThis is true, lol. I didn't mean it would be 100% crazy, but there would be the ones that DF lower levelQuote:
Originally Posted by Sayura_
dungeons that are impatient and nerd rage very quickly. :( Otherwise this isn't a bad idea. -
10-23-2013, 02:29 AMSayura_Haha, if they use the duty finder they shouldn't expect much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Swishytail
As a whm +1 geared for coils, I used the duty finder yesterday after running WP speed runs in a relic +1 group because I didn't want to deal with the stress of "lets bring every single mob and see if the healer can keep us up." Especially not right after getting home from work. :) -
10-23-2013, 02:44 AMZoner
Maybe SE might actually succeeded with their new MVP system they're adding in to make trolls at least pretend to be be caring players to get the MVP vote.... well I can dream right?
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10-23-2013, 08:07 AMDiamondDustWhat's the MVP system?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoner
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10-23-2013, 08:16 AMOrophinIdeally SE wouldn't have put in a ilvl90 dungeon before an ilvl80 raid was slated to release, but that's neither here nor there now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoner
I'd expect the myth cap to be raised a bit in 2.1, but I wouldn't expect it to be more than 50% more than we currently get now. -
10-23-2013, 08:20 AMHeather
I think their reasoning is they don't want folks getting fully geared in one week then complaining when there is nothing to do.
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10-23-2013, 08:29 AMNahara
So when I thought of "soft cap" I actually started thinking:
Keep the 300 Myth Tome cap, but put any other accumulated Myth Tomes into a bank. Then, when the weekly cap resets, those tomes in the bank get added to your now empty weekly cap.
So say you run enough dungeons to accumulate 480 tomes. You get 300 for this cap, and then 180 added to the bank. When the weekly cap resets, the 180 from your bank moves into your cap amount, putting you at 180/300 for that week.
As another example, let's say during the course of one week, you run enough dungeons to get 900 tomes. 300 is added directly to your total and put towards your cap for that week, maxing you at 300 and putting 600 in your bank. The next week, as soon as the cap resets, you get another 300 and your cap maxes out again, leaving you with only 300 in your bank. On the third week, your cap resets again, depositing the remaining 300 in your bank, maxing you at 300/300 for that week, with 0 tomes left in your bank.
The advantage to a system like this would be A) no tomes you collect go to waste, you just don't get them right away; B) the amount of tomes going to each player remains consistent with what they have now, needing to do the same amount of content the same amount of times for what you get; C) it's helpful if something comes up and you may not be able to get around to farming your myth tomes that week, it can be done in advanced and the time won't technically be wasted. -
10-23-2013, 08:36 AMRyujinUzikin
Maybe have some difficult hardcore boss that requires two full parties to beat, and the reward is an expansion of your myth tomes.
Yes I'm making an excuse to continue fighting hardcore bosses :p -
10-23-2013, 09:05 AMDoctorPepper
I hate the cap as much as everybody else but I think it should remain until there is actually a larger selection of content available. Either that or the cap should be job specific so that you can actually enjoy your alternate jobs.
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10-23-2013, 01:56 PMTeganLaron
This is a nice idea in theory, as it gives you a very small but welcome reward while levelling up other classes in lower dungeons.
Unfortunately...that's not how it would work. Instead you'd just have people in full DL gear running Sastasha and Tam-Tara, screaming at the level 20s to hurry up. The situation is bad enough for new level 50s in dungeons, I don't think it would be fair to force lower levels to put up with it as well. -
10-23-2013, 02:23 PMFiddlestax
I like the idea of a soft cap. I really do. It seems that some players have more myth gear than should seem possible... and it would be nice to be able to "catch up".
But do you really want to run more AK/WP? I was pretty all set on really wanting to run those ever again by about the 5th time through. I don't think we should be asking them to give incentive to run those 1000 times... It just highlights the lack of content at end game more than the current system does.
Maybe they could make a harder 4 man that gave 5 uncapped myth a run? Perhaps one with a somewhat random element to it? Different paths? Different elemental abilities for bosses? I really like what they did with Turn 2 in that regard... a few months from now when nobody ever wants to see it again.... they could always go a different path! -
10-23-2013, 03:17 PMIgnatiusCrumwald
I think they should remove the cap but offer diminishing returns on farming after a certain amount. That way, players bound and determined to max one job out still have something to do but they won't get too terribly far ahead.
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10-23-2013, 10:36 PMZonerI think you misread my post, the Soft Cap Myth Tomes would come from all the lower level dungeons that people run once then forget about. Heck there are some dungeons that are opened thro side quest that few people have even run once.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fiddlestax
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10-23-2013, 10:48 PMStarlord
Realistically, the cap won't be there forever. Caps are there to slow down end game because there's not alot if it. Once the game as a decent amount of end game it will most likely have no cap. By the 2nd patch the cap should be non existent.
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10-23-2013, 11:07 PMZonerWith all these Dungeons and Guildhest in the game is there really a reason we're stuck farming 3 sources for Myths?Quote:
Originally Posted by Starlord
Your probably right but my idea is really less about gaining Myth Tomes and more about giving players reason to revisit the low level dungeons and helping newbs progress in their storyline quest. -
10-23-2013, 11:28 PMGuevara
bumped and liked
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10-24-2013, 12:02 AMStarlordFor the time being, it would be a temporary countermeasure. Till they hopefully drop the cap when end game content pours in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoner
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10-24-2013, 12:06 AMZoner1. From my experience most "Elites" premake their partiesQuote:
Originally Posted by TeganLaron
2. Like I said earlier, even dealing with the occasional troll is better for newbs then them waiting for hours to queue up and progress in their storyline -this is a deal breaker for alotta people that are just starting the game
3 Hopefully SE much rumored MVP system will encourage greater camaraderie -
10-24-2013, 05:14 AMDiamondDust
Bumped and liked!
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10-24-2013, 12:09 PMZoner
Even if SE doesn't go with my idea, they really need to add some incentive to revisit the low level dungeons.
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10-24-2013, 08:19 PMTeganLaron
@Zoner (couldn't quote, too many characters sorry.)
Well where I'm a healer I use duty finder way more than premade parties and nearly always have, what I guess would be considered an "Elite" player or more in the party. This would end up leading to awkward situations where you could have three people in full DL running a dungeon with one newbie. I'm not automatically assuming everyone will be a nasty piece of work, moaning and complaining, forcing them to skip cut scenes and so on. But I've seen more than a fair share do it end game, so why would they be any different in earlier dungeons?
Plus if it's your first dungeon and you get stuck with a bunch of people like that, ruining your experience. That could people off playing altogether if they think the whole community is like that. -
10-24-2013, 08:50 PMFerrI dont think the cap helps on catch up, atleast now at 300 cap. They way is it now, players who have a lot of time can just go to Coil and farm Allagan gear, that is equal to myth gear. But the players who cant get a set party for Coil due to their times schedules are getting behind gear-wise, because they cant get iLVL90 geared as fast as someone who runs Coil. This cap is purely a time sink, especially on how low is it now.Quote:
I like the idea of a soft cap. I really do. It seems that some players have more myth gear than should seem possible... and it would be nice to be able to "catch up".
Anyways, I like the idea of OP -
10-24-2013, 09:06 PMAlavastre
I would worry about the frustration brought upon sending higher level people into lower dungeons. It was bad leveling, can you imagine a CM speed runner in Halatali? Maybe it wouldn't be a big deal, but they will think of it as SE forcing them to do lowby dungeons and they will not be happy.
My idea I think would be a little better. Soft cap, once you hit 300 you implement diminishing returns. So instead of 40 tomes, you get 30. Then 20, then 10. Probably leave it at 10 until it resets.
Sane people wouldn't grind so much after 300, but they would still get something if a FC wanted to run a dungeon and asked you to help. It would also encourage people to log in and not just wait for the reset. This in conjuction with the random DF reward system in 2.1 should help alleviate some of the problems we currently face.
That's my opinion, and the method I would go with if I were SE. -
10-25-2013, 07:14 AMZonerCorrect me if I'm wrong but it sounds like you actually wanna run the same two dungeons that myth currently drop from even more then we already do, plus the lowbies would benefit more from my plan even if they were exposed to the occasional troll.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alavastre
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10-25-2013, 11:34 AMZonerI found plenty of people like that just lvling to 50 the first time around, it's inevitable to meet a jerk here and thereQuote:
Originally Posted by TeganLaron