BRD LB Change plz

How about instead of the full heal full heal/rez Bards would get something more supportive such as maybe like a bloodlust or aoe spell and melee haste ability for their lb and set the time up along the terms of lets say the tank lb?

Yes please, brd LB is lame. If your run is going that bad that only the brd is up to mass rez you already failed.

Bard was only really given the heal LB because in early beta bard was an archer+conjurer. When they changed us to pugilist cross class they forgot to change the LB.

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Originally Posted by xiley

How about instead of the full heal full heal/rez Bards would get something more supportive such as maybe like a bloodlust or aoe spell and melee haste ability for their lb and set the time up along the terms of lets say the tank lb?

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Though i too wish they'd make the lv1/2 LBs more useful, that full rez+heal has saved my ass many a days During Hm fights.

Well, I kind of like the Bard being capable of raising everyone if the healers suddenly died, but I understand some Bards want more.

If they gave Bard their own Limit Break, people may complain that they are getting special treatment. This, I believe, can be blamed on design. Are Bards support, or damage dealers? Both? In the future, perhaps the support role may be added but for now it's not the case. In the end, if Bards have a Limit Break that essentially buffs party dps, only one thing can happen: Will it be superior or inferior to the Damage Dealer LB overall? One or the other will be obsolete in most cases, I think, which will cause problems down the line--if not instantly.

Eh, the only thing I could see them giving us an alternate art DPS LB with the same damage as whichever one they chose to copy. Anything else would be class exclusive and could cause balancing issues.

For Archer, it's a strange thing to have a healing limit break, but for Bards it actually make sense. Their support is there to buff in times of need, not when you want it on demand. An instant raise has saved many parties I have been in that were able to get the job finished, and that's what I picture Bards as being there for. It even says as much in the official description.

I would expect that a ranged based LB will be added in when more ranged physical classes come into play, as the idea of a raise won't fit all kinds of ranged roles. Whilst Archer/Bard is the only one of it's kind in the game, this has obviously been a balance/design decision rather than just lumped on because.

Used LB many times to res people, Healers don't have the time to do it because of the long animation lock. QQ more

Why would you ever have a bard (dps) LB anyway?

Their weapon damage is 10% lower than that of a MNK/DRG.

Perhaps stacking CD's would work, but those two have the 2 biggest damage increasing stackers already anyway (RS and BfB).

So...even if you gave BRD a dps cooldown...you would never use it unless you only had bards.

I can just imagine the QQ from DPS classes if they change Bard to DPS LB. :P

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Why would you ever have a bard (dps) LB anyway?

Their weapon damage is 10% lower than that of a MNK/DRG.

Perhaps stacking CD's would work, but those two have the 2 biggest damage increasing stackers already anyway (RS and BfB).

So...even if you gave BRD a dps cooldown...you would never use it unless you only had bards.

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No buffs affect LBs. LB DMG is based on the cumulative iLvl of PT's weapons. It's actually most beneficial to have the worst DPS LB so you can have your high DPS keep pushing out their numbers.

You will always have a healer limit break, and you will always have a tank limit break. Will you always have a dps limit break?

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...3ed72e530a.png

We are utility class, the LB is fine. If you want a DPS LB level a caster or melee.

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Originally Posted by Lecreuset

Used LB many times to res people, Healers don't have the time to do it because of the long animation lock. QQ more

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Except they do have time, because it full heals and brings the entire group back to life...? What could you possibly be casting that's more important than that?

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Originally Posted by RazzleDazzle

We are utility class, the LB is fine. If you want a DPS LB level a caster or melee.

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No. You're probably also the type who thinks they should be pumping stats into piety for songs and such too eh?

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

You will always have a healer limit break, and you will always have a tank limit break. Will you always have a dps limit break?

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...3ed72e530a.png

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Yeah, if you play a DPS class that is not bard.

DF wont let me take my Bard as a healer, I think it's broken. DPS Limit Break, Can I have it?

Brd should have a DD LB, if they only queue up as a DD then they should do damage. Too many times doing AK and we got no one to LB on demon wall. At that point LB is useless kuz why would we need healer or tank LB in AK?
It's just weird. I mean bottom line is that I think everyone should have their own unique limit break. I'm not even a bard but it still affects me to have bards in my party which is why I brought up AK

Yea sure ill trade my single target damage LB for 20% more dmg + healer LB.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

You will always have a healer limit break, and you will always have a tank limit break. Will you always have a dps limit break?

http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...3ed72e530a.png

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And? Aoe or single target dmg LB AIND REQUIREMENT FOR KILLING IFRIT!

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Originally Posted by Neko_Shiroyasha

And? Aoe or single target dmg LB AIND REQUIREMENT FOR KILLING IFRIT!

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LOL YEAHS I KNOWS LIEK U DONT EVN NEED IT SO ITS FIEN AS IS

Way to miss the point entirely.

I wonder if its possible to survive 1 spike if you have a tank 3 bar CD.

none of you seem to be understanding which is why im thinking you guys are terrible. An aoe haste/stat buff is not a dps lb it is a SUPPORT lb. Unlike heal and dmg it does neither but buff yours making it SUPPORT

Wait so you're telling me RS isn't a DPS cooldown because it doesn't do any damage...?

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Wait so you're telling me RS isn't a DPS cooldown because it doesn't do any damage...?

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where did anyone say raging strikes lol

I was using a, uh, analogy...

If "An aoe haste/stat buff is not a dps lb it is a SUPPORT lb. Unlike heal and dmg it does neither but buff yours making it SUPPORT"

Then wouldn't RS be a support cooldown by the same logic, as opposed to a dps cooldown?

I think a the best question isn't why BRD's have a useless LB. The real question is why tanks, healers and BRDs all have useless LBs (well occasionally you use healer LB3 but you shouldn't have gotten to that point anyway to need to raise everyone).

Seriously, anyone ever seen a tank LB? I only have once, and that was just for fun.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

I was using a, uh, analogy...

If "An aoe haste/stat buff is not a dps lb it is a SUPPORT lb. Unlike heal and dmg it does neither but buff yours making it SUPPORT"

Then wouldn't RS be a support cooldown by the same logic, as opposed to a dps cooldown?

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I believe they meant it buffs the whole raid, which would make it support. It would only be a dps LB if it only affected the bard.
I think it's a decent idea in theory, but then I see the bard LB being used 9 times out of 10.

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Originally Posted by xiley

none of you seem to be understanding which is why im thinking you guys are terrible. An aoe haste/stat buff is not a dps lb it is a SUPPORT lb. Unlike heal and dmg it does neither but buff yours making it SUPPORT

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Your the one who doesn't seem to understand. healing/ressing is a form of support. Plus how is a DPS increase to a party not a DPS limit. Is a DoT ability not a DPS skill? It serves the same purpose, to deal more damage. It would just be over 10 seconds rather then flat burst. And since DoT effects should always be higher then burst skills (over time) it would create massive imbalance as the bard limit would always be the best, as there's currently 0 content in this game where you need LB burst. I'll keep my heal limit. its situational to say the least, but still useful, has great flavor, and overall just makes bards unique.

When is it ever useful though? I wish LB's were more usable and diverse. They could potentially be the coolest unique abilities, instead they are these sweeping bland affects. In a perfect world a Bard LB would be a song, a summoner...well a summon or part of their one that is already out and so on.

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Originally Posted by Swick

Your the one who doesn't seem to understand. healing/ressing is a form of support. Plus how is a DPS increase to a party not a DPS limit. Is a DoT ability not a DPS skill? It serves the same purpose, to deal more damage. It would just be over 10 seconds rather then flat burst. And since DoT effects should always be higher then burst skills (over time) it would create massive imbalance as the bard limit would always be the best, as there's currently 0 content in this game where you need LB burst. I'll keep my heal limit. its situational to say the least, but still useful, has great flavor, and overall just makes bards unique.

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Brd having a healing lb makes it not unique at all. And from what I remember, bards can't even raise people so why should their lb be able to do it? And they queue up as a dps class. Sounds like they didn't know what the hell to do with bard so they just gave it the same thing as healers. It would be better to actually have a support buff/ debuff LB, that would actually make them unique because no one else can do that. Unique is having something all your own not being the only one to take from something else

Since SE wanted to be so black and white about roles, I never understood for a minute why bards have a healing LB when they are technically dps.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

I think a the best question isn't why BRD's have a useless LB. The real question is why tanks, healers and BRDs all have useless LBs (well occasionally you use healer LB3 but you shouldn't have gotten to that point anyway to need to raise everyone).

Seriously, anyone ever seen a tank LB? I only have once, and that was just for fun.

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On the wall in a group with 2 bards. :)

stupid. if bard has a dps LB, they might as well just remove all the other dps classes from the game. I would change to bard even if I hate that boring brain dead class.

I don't understand how this many people would not see the benefit of a DPS being able to cast a mass rez/heal LB when there are situations where healers could be unable or unfavorable to cast it themselves.

To be honest, I find the fact that we Bards having a Healing LB to be a bit silly. Yes this can help in a fight when you need to revive party members, but remember, that's limited to 8 player parties, when you usually have more than 1 healer who could pull it off. If we had more than the DPS/healer/tank trinity going here, I'd suggest it being made into a support LB that uses a song to buff the party in some way. But since we don't, I really don't know how the LB could really be changed. As of right now, with the party-shared Limit Break meter, I don't see a reason why a Bard should ever use their limit break.

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Originally Posted by ViciousEd

I don't understand how this many people would not see the benefit of a DPS being able to cast a mass rez/heal LB when there are situations where healers could be unable or unfavorable to cast it themselves.

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Oh I can see it in theory. How often have you ever seen it used in practice? Give your answer in percentage used per fights played. For me the answer is = to date 0%.

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Originally Posted by svann

Oh I can see it in theory. How often have you ever seen it used in practice? Give your answer in percentage used per fights played. For me the answer is = to date 0%.

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I've seen it quite a bit. I can't give you a percent, but it's led to some boss kills (like chimera when I was on my BLM and quite a few primal fights in duty finder). It also happened with my first Titan kill.

Maybe I'm just unlucky with pugs, it helps I always play with a bard. I will say this though, the healing LB1 and LB2 are pretty useless. I think it should be a large hot rather than a direct heal, cause then it may have more usefulness.

Support class gets Support LB, live with it.

You wanted to DPS? Should have gone a DPS class.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Support class gets Support LB, live with it.

You wanted to DPS? Should have gone a DPS class.

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There's no such thing as a support class in this game. Didn't you notice the DF? There are only Tanks, Healers, and DPS.

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Originally Posted by IveraIvalice

Brd having a healing lb makes it not unique at all. And from what I remember, bards can't even raise people so why should their lb be able to do it? And they queue up as a dps class. Sounds like they didn't know what the hell to do with bard so they just gave it the same thing as healers. It would be better to actually have a support buff/ debuff LB, that would actually make them unique because no one else can do that. Unique is having something all your own not being the only one to take from something else

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Last i checked having a dps class with a healing limit break is a "one of a kind" in this game. Unique, no?