I'm planning to host one every month up until the release of 2.1

Saw this line in the newest letter from the Producer in regards to Producer Live! thing. So, I mean...when exactly is 2.1 coming out again if he's planning a Producer Live! each month?

Yeah I notice that as well...I hope it's just a miss-translation, otherwise there should be at least 2 more live chat to say things in that way, which means 2.1 will be next year :(

Hopefully it'l be out in a few months. I was expecting late December, early January. Gotta give people some time to clear the current content before they pump more out. Not to mention, I'd rather have a decently tested patch, than them dumping something extremely broken on us. 2.1 is a fairly big content patch, adding alot of new features to the game.

I would understand the whole clearing content part if 2.1 was adding another tier to Coil but according to earlier letters they aren't actually adding more Coil stuff until 2.2 at the earliest. It was just kinda disheartening to read to say the least.

This caught my eye as well. This suggests to me that we won't be seeing 2.1 until December at least. If its around Christmas that's a full 4 months since release. I believe back in an old producer letter they said they were wanting major patches every 2.5 to 3 months. Now speaking for myself, I don't see myself getting too bored in between now and 2.1 just because the game is still new and I have so much to level and still experience. But I hope this isn't their plan for going forward. What about after we have most of the things we want at 50, leveled to 50? If they do plan to release patches every 4 months, that is not enough. Not for a subscription based game.

Of course, the long time between release and the first patch could also be partly due to the many many things they've had to fix. That's gotta split a team's attention and time a bit.

January , quote me on that.

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Originally Posted by Kakaarato

January , quote me on that.

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Done and done.

You very well may be right. I would absolutely not be OK with that. There is not enough in the game right now to hold many people for 5 months. I would probably be logging in less and less, leveling crafting classes and whatnot.

December is the most probable.

Most likely December, Oct - Housing, Nov - PvP, Dec right before/after patch - Crystal Tower

That's my guess.

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You very well may be right. I would absolutely not be OK with that. There is not enough in the game right now to hold many people for 5 months. I would probably be logging in less and less, leveling crafting classes and whatnot.

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I disagree here. There is quite a bit to do. You have the option of leveling up multiple classes, gearing them out, running coil which has yet to be beaten by anyone in the world (granted it is bugged atm), helping your friends, crafting, building your wealth and mastering multiple jobs (after leveling and gearing them). Granted, I'd love to see some new content, but the game just came out not too long ago. They still have a lot to fix before they can release a huge content patch.

My only concern here is that if it's too far out, late dec. or further out, what will be the point of Crystal Tower? I get that not -EVERYONE- is running with relics and ready for the coil yet, but a good chunk will be. I fear if too much time goes by they're going to feed us a piece of content that turns out be completely irrelivant.

Let the tears flow on the forums *grabs popcorn*.

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My only concern here is that if it's too far out, late dec. or further out, what will be the point of Crystal Tower? I get that not -EVERYONE- is running with relics and ready for the coil yet, but a good chunk will be. I fear if too much time goes by they're going to feed us a piece of content that turns out be completely irrelivant.

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This I do agree with. I really don't like the route they took here. You're absolutely right, when Crystal Tower does come out; due to mass quantities of people being over geared, the content will be trivial and there just to clear, while people continue to gear up in Coil.

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My only concern here is that if it's too far out, late dec. or further out, what will be the point of Crystal Tower? I get that not -EVERYONE- is running with relics and ready for the coil yet, but a good chunk will be. I fear if too much time goes by they're going to feed us a piece of content that turns out be completely irrelivant.

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I am guessing people will use Crystal Tower to gear up their other 8 jobs the ones they don't gear with Mythology and Coil drops.

wtf.. i thought they said 2.1 was coming in Nov?

2.1 December. Live Letters in Oct/Nov/Dec.

Yoshi already said 2.1 before xmas. Nothing in the letter suggests a delay.

Many people waited to resub or just plain left till this patch hits. I'm not saying good or bad just putting it out there. Maybe if they don't add anymore content and focus on fixing the server congestion glitches and errors that are plaguing this server system then they can get back to releasing 2.1 patch. That's not to say I want to wait. Just part of the bus I suppose.

Speaking as a 1.0 player, even if I haven't completely maxed out all of my jobs the idea of waiting for late December is a very long wait. I happen to love what they've done for the most part with 2.0 but I can easily see even fans of the game(including myself) running out of patience waiting for all the things 2.1 is supposed to offer. Hopefully they can at least offer it piecemeal even if they can't unload the entire thing for us in full in the next month or so.

Live letter has a few interesting tags:
- yoshi-p sure is hardcore
- striker was here~
- please look forward to it
- fix the job system
- make myth cap class based
- nice
- ali-g in da house
- 2.1 in december
- easy enough already
- wow: a realm reborn
- (long live the queen)

Granted, I think anyone is able to add tags to it ><

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wtf.. i thought they said 2.1 was coming in Nov?

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I thought this too. Where is all this other info coming from?

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I thought this too. Where is all this other info coming from?

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Considering everything else has been delayed because of the need to upgrade the servers, you can probably assume the patch will be delayed also.

If it comes late Nov or Dec that gives me time to cap archer, weaver, alchemist, botany, mining, and cooking.

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Considering everything else has been delayed because of the need to upgrade the servers, you can probably assume the patch will be delayed also.

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I don't remember anything being delayed according to server issues. People couldn't play because of server issues but that didn't stop SE from releasing the game :P

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I don't remember anything being delayed according to server issues. People couldn't play because of server issues but that didn't stop SE from releasing the game :P

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Well for one, server transfers were suppose to be a few weeks after launch but we didnt get them till a few weeks after the server updates instead

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I disagree here. There is quite a bit to do. You have the option of leveling up multiple classes, gearing them out, running coil which has yet to be beaten by anyone in the world (granted it is bugged atm), helping your friends, crafting, building your wealth and mastering multiple jobs (after leveling and gearing them). Granted, I'd love to see some new content, but the game just came out not too long ago. They still have a lot to fix before they can release a huge content patch.

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You can't gear out multiple classes. Lock-outs and Token caps prevent that.

The only content after Coil is leveling crafting classes and 2.1 is adding no new content for those who have finished with Coil.

What I don't understand is why Crystal Tower even exists? Coil Turns 1-4 are fine with DL gear, so why they feel the need to add a new set in between I don't know.

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What I don't understand is why Crystal Tower even exists? Coil Turns 1-4 are fine with DL gear, so why they feel the need to add a new set in between I don't know.

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This is my thought also, It's not like Coil is only being done by the elite of the elite at the moment. There are pure pugs forming in Toll that are clearing parts of it already. If we add another 2 months to that, we'll likely see pugs to turn 4 before 2.1 even hits. Which the main features of is hard mode dungeons (ilvl65 or 70 prehaps?) and Crystal Tower (ilvl 80?). While they'll be useful for alt jobs, main jobs will quite literally have nothing to gain and no reason to take part in either content. 4 months is going to be way too late for that level of content, and then what, another 4 months until coil is expanded? Looking at potentially 8 months until the next tier of content. That is a *very* long time in this MMO climate.

This is a joke... Every other MMO receives monthly content updates, hence the monthly subscription. The he worded it made it sound as if we won't have anything until December at least. So we're paying £27/$45 for one piece of content? You can almost buy a brand new game for that much...

I'm going to go with late February/early March...
So yeah, that means 6 months of only 1 raid of 4 bosses. Pretty awesome game, but lacking end-game content.

Edit: The game has such a great potential, but I'm afraid it won't be exploited, just like some other MMOs we've seen in the past. Game companies don't learn from their mistake. I really do hope I'm wrong, but as of now, it really seems like this game will be a huge letdown in the long-term. I really wish they prove me wrong though !

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This is a joke... Every other MMO receives monthly content updates, hence the monthly subscription. The he worded it made it sound as if we won't have anything until December at least. So we're paying £27/$45 for one piece of content? You can almost buy a brand new game for that much...

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Every other mmo releases playable content every month? Great joke :)

It wasn't a mistranslation, Japanese says the exact same thing. I think December sounds more probable, and I don't mind waiting. I'm having fun doing other stuff on the game. Leveling other jobs, crafting, gathering etc. I like how there isn't a rush to quickly clear the content, means I can go at my own pace.

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Every other mmo releases playable content every month? Great joke :)

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Yup. I've never heard of an MMO to release content more than two months apart.

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Yup. I've never heard of an MMO to release content more than two months apart.

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GW2 is about it with it's every 2 weeks in that regard. However what I've never heard of is an mmo in the last 5 years or so that wants to be any kind of success that waits 3+ months for the majority of it's qol fixes that most people clamor for at launch.

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Yup. I've never heard of an MMO to release content more than two months apart.

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Since people love to use WoW as an example I do too :)
Yes somtimes it had content updates 2 month apart. But those were occasions and not the norm. More often than not stuff is/was around 5month after the last.

I seen this yesterday and was like ?@!* If 2.1 doesn't come out by the end of Nov then I'm out. There is already little incentive to get on more than a few times a week now, Can pretty much cap myth in a few hours. But I heard some stuff about Nov 14th and 2.1 but those are just rumors. I would like to spend the time leveling another job to 50 but since we can only gear one job to the max (Relic/CoB gear) don't see the point.

Looks like this game will go down faster than 1.0 did, Don't think they will have Super Legacy status to save FFXIV this time around.

Edit "If" they push 2.1 back to end of the year then they better be doing an overhaul on Crystal Tower Gear/Difficulty. There would be no point in adding it late Dec early Jan because by that time most people should/will have most if not full Relic/CoB gear for their main job.

I think this is where the game is going to start feeling the effect of a complete redesign. In almost every other MMO, when it's shipped generally the first major patch is almost done, the second being worked on, and assets for many future projects also being started. With ARR prehaps all the assets went into launching the redesign with no time to meaningfully start designing future content. So we may be looking at a situation where all the major patches take much longer than most other MMOs just simply due to not having the time to get as much progress in advance. All conjecture of course... but it seems likely.

The crazy thing about Crystal Tower is it's supposed to be done, it's not them creating new content. Like they said it was supposed to be ready for launch but they had to rebalance it to fit appropriately as a casual pre-coil raid. Is it seriously taking them this long to do that?

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Since people love to use WoW as an example I do too :)
Yes somtimes it had content updates 2 month apart. But those were occasions and not the norm. More often than not stuff is/was around 5month after the last.

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Who said anything about WoW? That's one MMO out of thousands...

Adding open world progression/end game can go a long way to extending the life of patches and seriously needs to be looked into. Something ala sea/sky

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Yup. I've never heard of an MMO to release content more than two months apart.

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Yeah, you should probably unsub, probably best thing for you.