How to make levelling alts more enjoyable

Just my suggestion on how to improve the leveling experience, especially for alts when nobody is doing fates in the 1-30 zones... trust me, this will happen once the game ages and everyone is 50. It's already happening, Central Shroud was empty last night and I saw multiple fates expiring.


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1. Dungeons

Completion Bonus: This should always be there, even if you've already done the dungeon before. Not only that, the completion bonus itself should be increased tenfold. It's my opinion that dungeons should give the same hourly exp rate of fate farming, if not more...

The problem with FATES is that all you do with your class is hotkey the aoes and run in blind folded... this is not a great way to learn the class. On my THM all i did was spam blizzard 2, i never used any good abilities and rotations unless it was a Fate boss. How is this fun?

Dungeon Buff: EXP increase for killing dungeon monsters and triple that EXP increase for killing dungeon bosses. This already happens to some degree but it should be increased a lot more.

Daily Dungeon Leves: Why don't you add leves that are specifically setup for dungeons? for example, go into Sastasha and kill XYZ, come back and I'll give you XYZ experience. The leve quests will scale with your level, if you initiate it at level 15, you will get Sastasha leve quest... talk to Leve NPC at 32? it'll be Brayflox Longstop, etc.

2. Guild Hests

Completion Bonus: Again, this should be increased and reset when you swap classes. I don't understand why this is only viable once and ONCE only? it shouldn't be bound to "character" but instead, should be bound to the "class" you're playing. Not only will this help with queue times but it would add more variety to the game.

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These are just some suggestions, whether they are too complex or eat too much dev team, that's another story... but since you're adding an MVP system to dungeons, don't you think revamping them a little is also a good idea? like i said, this will help in 2 ways, the queue times will be quicker and it will also add variety to leveling alts.

If you don't want to add all these complications to the game, a simple solution would be to simply increase dungeon monster and boss exp and increase the completion bonus by giving more exp and rewarding it to everyone, even if they have done the dungeon already.

cheers.

Why do people both with Alts other than for Cross-classes anyway? You can't gear them efficiently at end game unless you decide to opt for the more expensive subscription and level multiple characters.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Why do people both with Alts other than for Cross-classes anyway? You can't gear them efficiently at end game unless you decide to opt for the more expensive subscription and level multiple characters.

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He is not talking about alt characters, but rather alt classes/jobs on the same character. There is no point in making additional characters aside from maybe RP or just wanting to be multiple races. You cannot even trade items or send items to your alt character without a 3rd party helping.

I agree with the OP that dungeon exp should be bumped significantly. I find FATE parties are generally less social as well and the reason I play this style of game is to be social and have fun with other people, not to spam aoes in the middle of a swarm of players to claim mobs.

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Originally Posted by DoctorPepper

He is not talking about alt characters, but rather alt classes/jobs on the same character. There is no point in making additional characters aside from maybe RP or just wanting to be multiple races. You cannot even trade items or send items to your alt character without a 3rd party helping.

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I am talking about classes too. If you're someone who enjoys playing lots of classes, this game isn't for you, unless you pay the higher subscription fee.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

I am talking about classes too. If you're someone who enjoys playing lots of classes, this game isn't for you, unless you pay the higher subscription fee.

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Because some people wish to have multiple classes at 50 on their main character. There's nothing wrong with this.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

Because some people wish to have multiple classes at 50 on their main character. There's nothing wrong with this.

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Yes, but you can't gear them. So I'm not quite seeing the point of having multiple character if you can't gear them as well as your main.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Yes, but you can't gear them. So I'm not quite seeing the point of having multiple character if you can't gear them as well as your main.

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You totally can. It just takes a while longer. :)

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

You totally can. It just takes a while longer. :)

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Well you can't use Myth stones since by the time you have fully AF2ed out your character, the next set of gear will probably be in place and you can't use BC because other people's mains may want the gear.

So you'd be saving yourself months if you just paid the higher subscription and made multiple characters. Though that would only deal with the Myth cap problem, I'd imagine most people don't have multiple characters, so if you're in an FC, you most likely won't be running BC twice.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Well you can't use Myth stones since by the time you have fully AF2ed out your character, the next set of gear will probably be in place and you can't use BC because other people's mains may want the gear.

So you'd be saving yourself months if you just paid the higher subscription and made multiple characters.

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People play the game differently. You're saying "can't," but what you mean is, "It'll take a lot longer and I would hate to do it that way."

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Yes, but you can't gear them. So I'm not quite seeing the point of having multiple character if you can't gear them as well as your main.

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The only enjoyment you get from a game is when you gear up to the max? That's your way of playing, but many people, including me, enjoy the process of playing as well. Going through all the dungeons as different class. Leveling them, getting new skills, trying new tactics. Understanding how different classes play. I couldn't give a bigger damn if my alt classes won't be able to equip best gear in the game, when my main will be eventually.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

People play the game differently. You're saying "can't," but what you mean is, "It'll take a lot longer and I would hate to do it that way."

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Well no, it has the potential to never be possible due to new gear sets meaning you can never use Myth tomes on your alts.

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Originally Posted by Renytenz

The only enjoyment you get from a game is when you gear up to the max? That's your way of playing, but many people, including me, enjoy the process of playing as well. Going through all the dungeons as different class. Leveling them, getting new skills, trying new tactics. Understanding how different classes play. I couldn't give a bigger damn if my alt classes won't be able to equip best gear in the game, when my main will be eventually.

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You don't seem to grasp the basic concepts of what I am talking about, you just try to understand and then come back to me.

The guildhest bonus always confused me a bit as well. Isn't the point of those to help you get familiar with your role in parties? If so, why limit the bonus to only your first go around? I think they should extend the bonus to your first run on all jobs.

I love playing multiple roles. My first 50 is BRD, second will be WAR (@42), and third will be WHM (@29). That being said, I love your suggestions. I want Dungeons to be worthwhile, as I love group efforts and I feel FATEs are much too easy for the payout it provides. And @Garnatian, gearing up a character in DL is more than enough to tackle everything this game has to offer currently, and competently might I add. I have no problems running coil with just my Bard, and having Warrior and White Mage for other events (helping others with HM, AK farming, relic quest, etc).

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

You don't seem to grasp the basic concepts of what I am talking about, you just try to understand and then come back to me.

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The same can be said regarding your answer to my post.

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Originally Posted by Renytenz

The same can be said regarding your answer to my post.

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Well, you say you want to try all this content and know how all classes work yada yada, but I think that's a bit of a lie if you're saying you want to do that, but have no interest in being in the best gear doing the hardest content.

I think what you actually want to do is just dabble in the classes, I prefer to treat every class as my main, but sure, if you enjoy not playing the classes seriously and focus on a main and not bother much with your alts, that's fine.

low level dungeons should also reward GC Seals and Philosophy tomes for level 50 players, Myth will remain level 50 dungeons only.

again, this will help with dungeon pops and push your "MVP" system a lot more.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Well, you say you want to try all this content and know how all classes work yada yada, but I think that's a bit of a lie if you're saying you want to do that, but have no interest in being in the best gear doing the hardest content.

I think what you actually want to do is just dabble in the classes, I prefer to treat every class as my main, but sure, if you enjoy not playing the classes seriously and focus on a main and not bother much with your alts, that's fine.

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But why would you want that for an alt? Alts should never be as geared as a main. That's why they're alts. :)

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Well, you say you want to try all this content and know how all classes work yada yada, but I think that's a bit of a lie if you're saying you want to do that, but have no interest in being in the best gear doing the hardest content.

I think what you actually want to do is just dabble in the classes, I prefer to treat every class as my main, but sure, if you enjoy not playing the classes seriously and focus on a main and not bother much with your alts, that's fine.

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Hardest end-game contect is a small fraction of game's content. I do enjoy completing even lower level dungeons with different classes. I will get to 50, get all skills, mess around with rotations/ways of playing the class even before Titan HM and Coil. I was saying the notion "Only end-game is worth doing and enjoying" is not how many players perceive playing this game. And by the time I even get two classes to 50 new content will be introduced (Crystal Tower as step to get gear before coil, no need to rush AF2).
If you want to say I'm not competitive by not rushing to do end-content and proving to myself I am a really good *insert class name*, by all means, yes, I was competitive for a while in previous mmorpgs, now I just get enjoyment from what I can.

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Originally Posted by Renytenz

Hardest end-game contect is a small fraction of game's content. I do enjoy completing even lower level dungeons with different classes. I will get to 50, get all skills, mess around with rotations/ways of playing the class even before Titan HM and Coil. I was saying the notion "Only end-game is worth doing and enjoying" is not how many players perceive playing this game. And by the time I even get two classes to 50 new content will be introduced (Crystal Tower as step to get gear before coil, no need to rush AF2).
If you want to say I'm not competitive by not rushing to do end-content and proving to myself I am a really good *insert class name*, by all means, yes, I was competitive for a while in previous mmorpgs, now I just get enjoyment from what I can.

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As I said, you seem to prefer to dabble in other classes and not play them, that's fine.

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Originally Posted by LiadansWhisper

But why would you want that for an alt? Alts should never be as geared as a main. That's why they're alts. :)

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Yeah, I think I just like to treat all classes like mains, it's a shame they don't allow it in this game when they do in every other MMO (Unless you pay extra of course, though that only solves half the problem).

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Well no, it has the potential to never be possible due to new gear sets meaning you can never use Myth tomes on your alts.

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I have Alts Characters, myth tomes are pointless to me, once i get AF i move on to another toon, i do not care about dungeons or Gear treadmills, i follow the story then stop, guess what i have different ways to play, shocker..

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Well, you say you want to try all this content and know how all classes work yada yada, but I think that's a bit of a lie if you're saying you want to do that, but have no interest in being in the best gear doing the hardest content.

I think what you actually want to do is just dabble in the classes, I prefer to treat every class as my main, but sure, if you enjoy not playing the classes seriously and focus on a main and not bother much with your alts, that's fine.

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Its a game, i don't play seriously in any of it, i'm here to enjoy the game laid back casually,not work a second job for SE, hardcores really ruin games imo...

seeing how you can get as much ToPs as you want you can easily gear every class out, getting dl gear takes no effort just patience heck relic not plus 1 is still better then most weapons and relic doesn't take more then a day to get. so full dl and relic weapon you can't get much better then that. other then af2 and allagan but those don't matter that much you will get the items you want over time but still its just 3 weeks a class for relic +1 and seeing how af2 gear it's self is worthless why bother getting it? to show something off that took you no effort to get just time?

Well I got 3 chars because it s how I like to play: 1 Mage DPS(SMN/BLM), 1Melee(BRD/REST), 1Healer(WHM/SCH), the DLs are set in the same way SMN/BLM, MELEE, WHM/SCH but anyways let people to play how they want eventually they get what their goal might be, to be honest I don t see the point to rush out to 50 get top geared to be sitting the next years doing nothing "new" but is up to anyone how they play. About the "limit" I think the cap is by char not account that means you can cap the limit by each that will mean you can get 3 sets of classes at in the same week than waiting and so on, well is just a thought. Enjoy the game and don t worry about what others do or think how you should play :D

I have had no issues finding a party for my alt so far.

I like how people who have like 15 classes leveled up somewhat, that are all under 30, assume everyone with a 50 or two is a rushing hardcore no lifer who didn't enjoy the game at all along the way.

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Originally Posted by Garnatian

Yes, but you can't gear them. So I'm not quite seeing the point of having multiple character if you can't gear them as well as your main.

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Crafting and dungeon loot. Now what?

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Originally Posted by AridElf

Crafting and dungeon loot. Now what?

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It would take 5 months for you to gear ONE job with i90 gear. All gear prior to that is "placeholder" until you get that full i90 set.

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Originally Posted by Lisotte

It would take 5 months for you to gear ONE job with i90 gear. All gear prior to that is "placeholder" until you get that full i90 set.

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Guess what? Chicken butt.
Seriously, there's allagan gear, there's Crystal Tower gear that's coming soon, they've said that they are going to ease the cost of af2 slowly... come on. Hell, on your main you should've skipped full DL in favor of af2 just to gear your alt jobs, not to mention AK gear...