I've given in.

The second I heard about fairies I was against the SCH. I admit, that's stupid but it's true.

Now, the game is so full of WHM everywhere(tons of WHM in my guild) and more coming since people say it's the "best" healer, or "easier" healer. People are giving SCH so much hate but I've seen people who know what they're doing make my WHM almost unneeded occasionally in some 8man content so it just seems it requires more skill from my perspective. And that's appealing to me, very much so.

The more I'm trying it out and reading the strategic uses of, and mechanics of their spells the more I'm regretting being 1 titan kill away from WHM relic. I'm almost 50 with my SMN and now I'm thinking I'm going to pop on all of my Healer DL gear and start my SCH relic quest.

Thank you for changing my mind. And damn you all.

PS: I still want pet macros.

DO IT JOIN THE DARK SIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

honestly SCH is awesome and getting better with the new update used correctly WHM don't even have to heal most of the time! they are both amazing healers and none is better than the other IMO but SCH is a beast I mean I've even made dps look bad in dungeons hoe much faster I can speed up a run just from popping cleric's and throwing down dots while my fairy heals everyone on rouse. out healed WHM on titan and coil easily and with even more throughput now we are truly the ideal single target healer, WHM will always be the best raid healer but SCH is here to stay!

The ppl hating don't understand how SCH works join us and you will love SCH I am sure!

I have loved scholar ever since I started, and that was with the fear that there would be tons of them because they were the flavor of the month class. I mean when i first started and saw as many carbys in limsa i just wanted to cry. When i first saw them I went back to conj, then i just decided to say the hell with it and kept leveling and i am glad i did. I don't like healing anymore as a whm, i prefer the difficulties and planning a scholar requires. I am leveling my conj to 34 to get my last cross class skill and then i it is back to scholar for life. Also, i know this sounds weird but i prefer hate on a class, keeps the people who are there just because out, but if you really enjoy the class you'll stick with it.For example I loved Ret pallies even when they were in the shits and required magic damage to increase certain skill damage, as well as attack power, and balancing all that along with the fact they are support but still need to do amazing dps to get any invites. When you did it right you got the kudos and that is how scholar is, when i do it right, and i often do, people take note and tell me. Sooo i hope they keep hating the class, and we'll just keep proving them wrong.

Aeno

SCH appears more interesting than it actually is. When you realise you get little control over your pet, you realise it's quite similar to a WHM. When they allow you to actually use the Fairies abilities when you please, then it'll be much more interesting.

Scholar is a lot of fun. I like micro-managing the faery... and because you have a lot of damage prevention tools, in an intense fight there is *always* something to be doing. Also, again because of its damage prevention and crisis management, you can literally drag a group of bads through a PUG with a scholar. I imagine WHM can do the same thing, but I feel like SCH is more fun to play. And when healing isn't as important, you have the potential to add a lot of damage to the group through Selene's haste buffs and your own Cleric Stance + damage over time abilities.

I is disappoint.

I imagine if SE addressed some the pet issues I'd be more interested in trying the SCH class. Until then, WHM it is.

Pet issues aside, they are SOMEWHAT manageable with pet on steady and hotkeys for Whispering and whichever buff increases heal potency. Do I find it annoying that I can't simplify this with one button? Yes.

That said, on joining the ranks of the erudite...

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploa...-Excellent.gif

You will miss the AoE healing though.

I enjoy both in their own ways. I raid more with my WHM because we have another SCH but I prefer doing dungeons with my SCH so I dont have to manage my threat. Both classes are competent as long as they are played by decent players.

I'm back to SCH now they fix the pet control lock-in, the class is actually enjoyable. Spell spamming issue can be remedied somewhat by hardware macro. I'm not playing the class by shielding or whatever high level skill some SCHs are touting - its simplified form of shielding-heal from my WoW disc pri days - but its healing pet aspect =)

WHMs are out number SCH by a large margin, so you are always guaranteed to find a WHM, not the otherway round.

SCH has gotten so much more fun and skill intensive since they patched being able to give your pet commands while casting. No joke, one run of AK I casted physick twice, succor twice, all the way up to the demon wall, Selene did all the healing, the only time I needed to heal was on the first boss, which is when I casted those 4 spells.....I sat in cleric stance doing damage the entire time.

FINISH YOUR WHM RELIC. Then put it away forever and be welcomed into the family that is the SCHs. ^^

I will go back to sch too after i get my relic+1

I strongly recomend getting both relics. The ability to flip flop is nice, and once you are comfortable with both classes you'll find its nice tohave the options. I love scholar, but often for solo healing CM runs I go whm just for the /snooze factor. That said, solo healing CM / Praet as sch is more than doable,a nd you can probs do more dps that way. (Hoyl spam is just so much fun though).

Welcome to sch! Its the best!

This is _totally_ not the thread I need to be reading. I don't have a single class to 50 yet but have my WHM at 44. I've been loving the WHM and everything has become "second nature" in dungeons (you know, where you no longer think about the mouse/keyboard/actions/etc.).

But now this thread... You make SCH sound so fun! But man, I want a 50 and to start doing endgame sooooooo bad. But I'm not sure I can resist the dark-side. For the temptation is too strong and I'm too weak... NOOOOOOOOO. Let me stay :).

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Sooo i hope they keep hating the class, and we'll just keep proving them wrong.

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I don't think anybody actually hates Scholars, though I will openly admit to being pretty annoyed with Scholar-primary players who want to eat their cake and have the White Mages' pie, too. Healing is already pretty narrow ground to share between two classes as it is. Frankly, from what I can tell (and I have both jobs at 50) White Mages drew the short straw and Scholars are still demanding more. I prefer White Mage for reasons that go well beyond game mechanics and into reasons like aesthetics and tradition. I was a WHM main in FFXI, which was essentially my first (graphical) MMO. I loved Rosa from FFIV (Bows for WHM when, Yoshi?), I love how the AF looks, and I like using light/holy based magic.

It feels like Scholar was created purely to try to balance 8-man parties by making them require two healer slots. They could just as easily give the faerie to WHM, fix Cure III's range and give us a Haste spell (seriously, where the hell is my Haste spell?) and then you'd have one actually good healer job instead of two adequate, but incomplete healers. This would also cure Arcanists of their split-personality disorder.

I initially planned on playing both WHM and SCH so that I could exhibit more flexibility, but unfortunately it looks like the way end game gear acquisition was designed will make that near impossible (bait and switch?). I'm happy for those who enjoy playing SCH more, but WHM is supposed to be the iconic healer.

Only Scholars pure blood are allowed, hybrid Scholars sicken me! but I'll take them over any whm.

Dunno why the hate, whenever i get a SCH to pair up with me i'm in heaven :) it makes the fights so much smoother.

Are SCH's really that hated? I love partying with them, they bring SO much to the party. As a WAR, I find the best combo for me in 8man is 1 SCH 1 WHM. The shields produce by the scholar(specially when they crit) are amazing.

I just wish people who played only FFXI would stop posting sometimes...

One day they'll play another MMO(doesn't have to be WoW... wasn't for me) and they'll realize there does not have to be one class/job to rule them all for a specific role. Only then will they be happy.

I love my scholar the more and more I play it.

another whm that wishes they went sch here

almost all groups im in are 2whm, i love it when im paired with a sch makes things so much easier, even in titan as long as you know when temults are coming succor is fine


im not clued up on the smn/sch thing, can i just lvl a smn to 50 and respec somehow, might have to do that

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I don't think anybody actually hates Scholars, though I will openly admit to being pretty annoyed with Scholar-primary players who want to eat their cake and have the White Mages' pie, too. Healing is already pretty narrow ground to share between two classes as it is. Frankly, from what I can tell (and I have both jobs at 50) White Mages drew the short straw and Scholars are still demanding more. I prefer White Mage for reasons that go well beyond game mechanics and into reasons like aesthetics and tradition. I was a WHM main in FFXI, which was essentially my first (graphical) MMO. I loved Rosa from FFIV (Bows for WHM when, Yoshi?), I love how the AF looks, and I like using light/holy based magic.

It feels like Scholar was created purely to try to balance 8-man parties by making them require two healer slots. They could just as easily give the faerie to WHM, fix Cure III's range and give us a Haste spell (seriously, where the hell is my Haste spell?) and then you'd have one actually good healer job instead of two adequate, but incomplete healers. This would also cure Arcanists of their split-personality disorder.

I initially planned on playing both WHM and SCH so that I could exhibit more flexibility, but unfortunately it looks like the way end game gear acquisition was designed will make that near impossible (bait and switch?). I'm happy for those who enjoy playing SCH more, but WHM is supposed to be the iconic healer.

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No, Scholar was added because they wanted Mitigation Healers in the game. It allows them to make more complicated encounters.

I don't understand why you are so threatened by the idea that there's another class that can also heal. Mind you, this isn't my first MMO. WoW has Holy Paladin, Holy Priest, Disc Priest, Restoration Shaman, Restoration Druid, and Mistweaver Monk. SWTOR had Jedi Sage/Sith Sorcerer and the two gun healers (Smuggler and Bounty Hunter, iirc). Rift had...a ridiculous number of healing combinations. I remember at least three, four if you count the Defiler, in the Cleric class alone, plus Chloromancer and I honestly forget what else they had.

Point being, there can be multiple classes in the healing role, and it doesn't make you any less of a special snowflake. Scholars and White Mages are designed to work together. White Mages are the unquestioned kings of throughput/reactive healing. Scholars are designed to be the kings of mitigation and pre-planning. These two playstyles mesh really, really well in a two-heal scenario, and allow for much more complicated and intense encounters.

I was doing Amdapor's Keep with 3 of my FC mates. One of us disconnected. For the rest of the dungeon, Demon Wall and last boss, I was cleric stance switching and we did both of the bosses easily with my addition do the DPS. I was also sufficient enough to keep everyone alive.

Here's a video of the last boss:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imn60...j_O_Pxl4LpOdUw

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I don't understand why you are so threatened by the idea that there's another class that can also heal.

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I don't think you actually read my post. Also, nothing you said about other MMOs is relevant unless you're trying to suggest this is my first MMO (it's around my 10th), and using WoW as an example for that is a joke, as I'm proud to say that isn't on my list.

The only thing that makes WHM unique or even gets them into an end-game party right now is Medica/Medica II, and there are posts from Scholar players on this message board who are literally asking for their own version of those spells. THAT would be a threat to WHM ever getting to play in a group again. Even so, other than not having a Haste spell, which just seems to be blatantly missing, I'm super happy with WHM as it is right now.

I just don't want to be forced to switch to Scholar in order to be a "better" healer, and there's a lot of talk in that direction.

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I don't think you actually read my post. Also, nothing you said about other MMOs is relevant unless you're trying to suggest this is my first MMO (it's around my 10th), and using WoW as an example for that is a joke, as I'm proud to say that isn't on my list.

The only thing that makes WHM unique or even gets them into an end-game party right now is Medica/Medica II, and there are posts from Scholar players on this message board who are literally asking for their own version of those spells. THAT would be a threat to WHM ever getting to play in a group again. Even so, other than not having a Haste spell, which just seems to be blatantly missing, I'm super happy with WHM as it is right now.

I just don't want to be forced to switch to Scholar in order to be a "better" healer, and there's a lot of talk in that direction.

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Would take all manner of pet fixes, cd reductions, changes to some of the fairy skills etc before this end up being true.

Welcome brother..together we will unleash the fairies of destruction & let loose the unicorns of war!

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I don't think you actually read my post. Also, nothing you said about other MMOs is relevant unless you're trying to suggest this is my first MMO (it's around my 10th), and using WoW as an example for that is a joke, as I'm proud to say that isn't on my list.

The only thing that makes WHM unique or even gets them into an end-game party right now is Medica/Medica II, and there are posts from Scholar players on this message board who are literally asking for their own version of those spells. THAT would be a threat to WHM ever getting to play in a group again. Even so, other than not having a Haste spell, which just seems to be blatantly missing, I'm super happy with WHM as it is right now.

I just don't want to be forced to switch to Scholar in order to be a "better" healer, and there's a lot of talk in that direction.

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Man, it's like there are two wildly different worlds in this forum. There's people like you claiming you're gonna be forced to be a Scholar, and then there are threads with Scholars complaining they're just not as good as White Mages and there's no reason to bring them.

(You have a Haste spell, it's just not a very good one.)

SCH is great. Personally, I have found that gear makes more of a difference to me on my scholar.

More powerful whm heals are certainly good, but mana management is still a factor- SCH shields start off pretty junky, but with high end gear actually become noticeable.

TLDR: Whm is more fun gearing up, SCH is more fun once you have good gear, imo.

There are scholars who claim the sky is falling, and WHMs that claim the same.

Ignore both. SCH needs more pet fixes, certainly... but it's still a cool and fun (and functional) class.