Stuck on Satasha?

Am I missing something? The only way to advance the main story at lv 15 is to complete the Satasha instance. But 3 nights in a row I have entered the duty finder and sat and waited 30 minutes each time and not a single other person joined the queue. So I am just stuck and can't advance. Is this intended by SE? A problem with the Duty Finder? Impossibility of getting a group if you are DPS? Or just bad luck?

Try asking for a party in chat while in the area, or join a good FC.

If you are dps, you are gonna have to wait a while, probably more than 30 mins, it has to do with the population of tanks and healers doing the dungeon.

Add to that the lack of incentive to do these dungeons a second time around leveling another class.

Is it intended for you to do the dungeon? yes, is it intended to wait >30 mins? no, thats just the nature of MMOs, always a million dps, fewer healer, and still fewer tanks.

Other than just waiting it out, you can always try chat, joining a FC (I leveled a pally pretty much solely to help my FC)

While you are waiting you can always grind fates, or leveling up another class/crafter/gatherer, but remember not to join a fate group, since it will kick you out of your queue.

Ask in the forums under your server for peeps who want to do Satasha with your class/job. I am not sure if you are in a Free Company or Link Shell but also ask there or ask to join a LS or FC on forums. There are LS's posting up looking for members all the time.

Never took longer than 113 min for me as DD or 1.5 min as healer. Unless I had a DD with me - took 5 mins as healer then. So lfm for a healer or tank in the open world and que.

Also - select all the languages in the Duty Finder instead of leaving just the default one there - this will speed up matching as well.

My observation in duty finder is that whilst you are at the back of the queue, it won't do any matching, so it might appear as though nothing is happening.

When you reach the front of the queue you will suddenly see the other slots filling up, and generally it will only be a minute or two until there is a full party (by which time someone will more than likely have gone AFK waiting, and miss the window, but don't worry, when this happens a replacement is usually found very quickly, as you are at the top of the queue).

But yes, budget for up to an hour if you are solo queuing for the low dungeons, and if you can find a tank or healer to queue with you should find it much faster. And as others have suggested selecting all languages (don't worry, these dungeons aren't hard and communication usually it's a barrier) can speed things up. If you don't mind missing part of the instance to progress faster, then also select "Join in progress", although this can be a bit hit and miss.

Hey, pick up crafting while you are waiting in queue! You can switch classes as much as you want while waiting in queue. As long as you queued with the class you want to run it with, you can play anything else while waiting. So if you queued as a therm switched to a weaver. You can level your weaving while your therm is in queue. Once it pops you simply switch back to a therm and be on your merry way of killing.

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Originally Posted by HEC

Also - select all the languages in the Duty Finder instead of leaving just the default one there - this will speed up matching as well.

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Naaahh!! I never thought of it! Great tip, thanks.

BTW I discovered yesterday that the dungeons are cross-worlds. Is this after patch? I never bothered to check before.

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Originally Posted by Michelasso

Naaahh!! I never thought of it! Great tip, thanks.

BTW I discovered yesterday that the dungeons are cross-worlds. Is this after patch? I never bothered to check before.

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Duty Finder has always been cross-server. It's actually gotten less cross-server since launch; they've divided servers into groups for the DF, so you won't be grouped with people from every server, only those within your server's group.

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Originally Posted by HEC

Also - select all the languages in the Duty Finder instead of leaving just the default one there - this will speed up matching as well.

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It might speed up getting a group, but unless you actually know all those languages it's at the cost of not being as able to work with the group once you get in. Not a very good tradeoff as far as I can see.

Even those early dungeons have some mechanics that you'll want to check whether everyone knows. (In Sastasha, for instance, make sure everyone in the group knows about the bubbling water in the final boss fight.) Now, it's possible you'll get lucky and be in a group where everybody already knows the dungeon, but I wouldn't count on it, not in a random group where you can't even talk to your teammates.

Thanks for the tips, but what a farking joke. I wait around another hour and finally get a Sastasha group and get through it. Whew. So I go turn in quest and do the next step thinking I am finally going to get a chance to actually play the game for awhile and blammo: next quest takes you to a, wait for it, DUNGEON!

Back to the duty finder for another indefinite amount of time. Im only freaking lv 18. I dont know if Im going to stick with this...

If you're not too concerned about the content of the dungeons you can check the "join in progress" box. There's no real quest CSs in the early dungeons so you aren't missing much.

You are basically trying to match 100 DPS to 1 Tank and 1 Healer. Thank goodness I have a tank friend, we que into dungeons within seconds every time.

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Originally Posted by jayshirley

Thanks for the tips, but what a farking joke. I wait around another hour and finally get a Sastasha group and get through it. Whew. So I go turn in quest and do the next step thinking I am finally going to get a chance to actually play the game for awhile and blammo: next quest takes you to a, wait for it, DUNGEON!

Back to the duty finder for another indefinite amount of time. Im only freaking lv 18. I dont know if Im going to stick with this...

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Unfortunately the main storyline from 15-20 requires you to do three dungeons in succession (Sastasha, Tam Tara Deepcroft and Copperbell Mines), culminating with the Ifrit battle at level 20, so you have no way around this if you want to progress.

You can get good armour drop in the three dungeons (Acolyte and Foestriker sets specifically) so it's still well worth running again even when you've passed them, and that goes for most dungeons as well.

Also unfortunately for you, as you're a THM, you'll have a hard time trying to find a DF party as there is an imbalance in DD classes/Jobs compared to tanks and healers - if you tried as one of those classes you would probably have a better chance. Don't despair! You'll get through them eventually.

the problem is not his DPS class, but at this point , low level story dungeons are already deserted
the game's been out for 2 months, and the majority of players are already at endgame or on their 30-50 (casuals)

in open world, low level players are still scattered everywhere, but they rarely do low level dungeons, FATE is the way to go
we need new players to do story dungeons, not people who are leveling their sub classes

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Originally Posted by texhnolyze

the problem is not his DPS class, but at this point , low level story dungeons are already deserted
the game's been out for 2 months, and the majority of players are already at endgame or on their 30-50 (casuals)

in open world, low level players are still scattered everywhere, but they rarely do low level dungeons, FATE is the way to go
we need new players to do story dungeons, not people who are leveling their sub classes

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Or find a way to make dungeons at any levels more rewarding. That way, even if an older player re-rolls a character, they can still play older dungeons. As they queue, it increases the pool of potential teammates. This also extends to other worlds in the same region, seeing as DF is cross-server.

I have a Lv50 Paladin, and am training up a Thaumaturge myself, but the ridiculous queue times for Sastasha/Tam-tara/Copperbell really makes me wonder why I decided to train a DPS, as I'm a dungeon person.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

It might speed up getting a group, but unless you actually know all those languages it's at the cost of not being as able to work with the group once you get in. Not a very good tradeoff as far as I can see.

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True but you can always use the autotranslate for at least basic communication plus plenty of users speak multiply languages as well. This would be mainly usefull for repeated runs and when you're leveling up the secondary classes but I use this all the time and never had really problem to communicate with other in the dungeons. I have macros with auto-translations for a majority of the communications needs and that helps a lot as well as fact that I can undestand multiply languages as too.

Currently the Dungeon Finder has been split into "Groups". See this thread on how they're sorted.

So let's say a Healer on Moogle wanted to do Satasha. On the flipside, 2 DPS and a Tank on Titan can be stuck waiting for a healer. Sadly, they never find each other because the servers aren't grouped together.

If all the servers were together on the Duty Finder, I'm 99% sure most dungeons would have people in them. They wanted more stability for the Duty Finder, but sadly it came at the loss of the ability to quickly form groups for dungeons.

My advice? Join a Free Company, or get friends to help you do it. Or, you can level a crafting class while you wait. It passes the time, crafting can be surprisingly fun.

Good luck!

Like you, I have had to wait, and wait and wait to get into Satasha. I spent three consecutive mornings waiting to get into Satasha. I never got into a a group, even after waiting 4-hours each morning. Since I was playing during the daytime I expected to have to wait - but this is rediculous.

It wasn't until the Columbus Day holiday that I finally got into a group, after a 1.5-hour wait.

I even tried to make my character a L24 Conjurer so that I could enter Satasha as a healer. Unfortunately, the lack of quests and the difficulty of finding sufficient FATEs made the grinding so unpleasant that I gave it up after a week of trying. I was (and still am) saving my Leves to advance my Weaving past the Dew Thread debacle. In the end I just bit the bullet and queued up as a L29 THM.

Right now when I decide to level my Marauder past 16 (where he is currently) I really want to do a boatload of dungeons up through 20. I imagine queuing as a tank would mean quick pops and I could chain together a few runs. If I decide to level a caster class I'll probably lean towards a healer for the same reason. I would like quickly assembled groups and wouldn't mind doing many many dungeons to level them up. FATEs are okay but would like to break the monotony.

A good Free Company can be a huge help here. Or if they're not available and you're going to go with the Duty Finder alone, find something else to do while you wait.

As Dekinosai mentioned, you can do some crafting. Or there are other possibilities as well. I finished off several entries in my hunting log while waiting for Sastasha and joined the Conjurer's guild and started leveling that class while waiting for Tam Tara (as an archer). Just be sure that whatever you're filling the time with is something that you can quickly break off from (and if necessary quickly change back to your main class) once the Duty Finder notification pops up saying a group is available. It doesn't give you a lot of time in which to acknowledge that notification and port to the dungeon.

SE is going to implement some things to try to get the tanks and healers to go back and rerun things again. I believe there are 2 programs they are working on.

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"MVP" System
Greetings, everyone!
I'd like to give a brief official overview of the "MVP" system that was announced by Yoshida during TGS, as there is a lot of interest in how this will encourage players to be positive and helpful when using the Duty Finder.
This system is for groups that get matched in the Duty Finder and cannot be used when you pre-make parties to enter dungeons and other content. Once you clear the content, you'll be able to vote for a player you feel was helpful, positive, and friendly.
Accumulating these points will allow you to buy companion armor, new mounts, and other exclusive items.
This system is scheduled to be implemented in patch 2.1, and once further details have been finalized we will be sure to share them with you!

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There is also some random daily dungeon thingie but I forgot where I read about it.

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Originally Posted by Anders

Like you, I have had to wait, and wait and wait to get into Satasha. I spent three consecutive mornings waiting to get into Satasha. I never got into a a group, even after waiting 4-hours each morning. Since I was playing during the daytime I expected to have to wait - but this is rediculous.

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Whoa, that is bad. I was averaging around 45 minutes as an archer (well, anywhere from half an hour to an hour). Seems pretty long compared to the wait on my gladiator (which ranged from instant to five minutes or so), but nowhere near what you were seeing. Guess I'm glad my gaming schedule tends to match up with typical North American busy hours if it can make that much difference.

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Originally Posted by Niwashi

Even those early dungeons have some mechanics that you'll want to check whether everyone knows. (In Sastasha, for instance, make sure everyone in the group knows about the bubbling water in the final boss fight.).

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Except for Copperbell Mines where you somehow need to get "don't kill the bombs!" across to the DPS, the three low level dungeons are perfectly doable without any communication. The bubbling water adds can be tanked, and the other bosses are mostly a kill adds/dps race. So it really might be best to just set all languages as viable (and read up on the Ichor in Copperbell) to decrease your long waiting time.

Not a fan of those mandatory dungeons myself either. Not because of the queues, which seem to be around 3mins(ish) for tanks, but because I get a lot of lag due to crappy internet connection. But I guess that's a bigger pain for the healer than for me heh. :)

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Originally Posted by Orbital-Dragon

You are basically trying to match 100 DPS to 1 Tank and 1 Healer. Thank goodness I have a tank friend, we que into dungeons within seconds every time.

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Maybe these quests are SEs way of getting players to play tank/healer, or get used to long Ques

Luckily in my server there have been people waiting around the dungeon areas. We had to run around to try to find a healer and a tank earlier today, but as an Arcanist I ended up serving as the primary healer. It worked out ok. I have seen people "shouting" in the towns and villages near the dungeons which also appears to work, and its better than seeing the Gil spammers! :)

I just got in after waiting 28 minutes in que as a tank. Once I zoned in, there was only 1 DPS in there with 12 minutes left on the clock. No one entered the dungeon in those 12 minutes. Seriously, these are becoming obsolete because people can grind fates for two hours and get to 25. This is a pretty horrible design for new players that are working on their main story. How disheartening.

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Originally Posted by KittenJitsu

Hey, pick up crafting while you are waiting in queue! You can switch classes as much as you want while waiting in queue. As long as you queued with the class you want to run it with, you can play anything else while waiting. So if you queued as a therm switched to a weaver. You can level your weaving while your therm is in queue. Once it pops you simply switch back to a therm and be on your merry way of killing.

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This is not very good advice actually. I several times failed to commit to duty finder because I was trying to finish craft, an 47 sec is not enough to finish craft and change class.

I prefer gather resources when waiting for DF.

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Originally Posted by vp_cmc

This is not very good advice actually. I several times failed to commit to duty finder because I was trying to finish craft, an 47 sec is not enough to finish craft and change class.

I prefer gather resources when waiting for DF.

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What are you talking about? How are you unable to finish a craft and switch class? We can preset our class and switch between them in a second. I haven't experienced a craft that lasts longer than 20 seconds and you are given a minute before entering.

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Originally Posted by KittenJitsu

What are you talking about? How are you unable to finish a craft and switch class? We can preset our class and switch between them in a second. I haven't experienced a craft that lasts longer than 20 seconds and you are given a minute before entering.

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Craft can easily be more than 20 seconds. For example if it is based on hasty touch+steady hand trick, that result in 30+ steps per craft.