[Dev]: What would it take for you to start paying.

First off not sure if there has been a post like this yet, but if so sorry.

Nice to see all these patches/updates coming fast, but at what point would players start willingly pay to play the game. I know many might say keep it free to play! Can’t have that nor would I ever want a Final Fantasy become free to play. Maybe the Devs could look at this and might help them know when is the best time to have players pay.

Below is some of what needs to be added/fixed on top of anything they are working on now for me to start paying:

1) More Party content:
1a) Need to have some kind of multi party battle field that drops RARE gear (Like Dynamis)
1b) Harder fights
1c)Need SP/exp groups outside of Leves
1d)More high rank Nms to keep the high rank players busy.

2) World map/local maps redone.
2a) Redue camp placement.
2b)Make zones like Mor Dhona/Corth more fitted for higher rank players.

3)Crafting issues fixed:
3a)Randomness.
3b)Takes to long to get stuff done.

4)Battle:
4a) Game is just way to much button mashing.. One thing I hate and why I don’t play many hack/slash games
4b)Better skills seems they just wanted to throw mass skills into the game and not even make them look good or ½ of them are useless
4c)Along with skills is job uniqueness make each job have a purpose in parties

5)Modes of transportation:
5a)Chocobos/Airships aren’t talked about anywhere in Dev updates, and I hate the aimna system(will talk about it more next)

6) Use of our Nameday/Guardian:
6a)Should make it where Aimna is used to summon our Guardian to do like a 2 hour skill, or just have them come fight with us, along with that make mages have ports to camps.
6b)Cant have something at Character Creation not be used in the game.

7)Mission/Quests:
7a)Story quests need a lot more of them and make them harder.
7b)Side quests same with story need more, and rewords are fine so far.
7c)Jobs should have more quests as well daily quests
7d)More lore be brought into the game.

8)Open towns:
8a)Each town has zones we cant enter yet, FF11 towns where open could walk in houses and such.
8b) HOUSING: Mog houses or something even if its like other MMOs where you buy a lot and have your own house would help get gil out of game as well.

9)UI issues fixed:
9a)Make UI better for PC players.
9b)Lock Widgets
9c)Faster

10) Engine optimization:
10a)Game runs like poo

11) Fix Guildleves:
11a)Make timer longer, to many players relay on Leve and wont play unless they have some, but as stated in 1 need more pt stuff.

12)Wait for PS3:
12a)This game rides on ps3 being good so till then I shouldnt make players pay for the game.

13)Make game more enjoyable

It's meant to be P2P, so I'll gladly pay for their service when the game is fully developed.
Full development will be reached when the game is worth playing for at least 75% of the crowd, so it's something SE will work about. They could do any fix we tell them, but that doesn't make completion; only SE knows when the game is completed, and they will tell us and ask us for feedback in order to correct some things (like the other MMOs)

I agree i would like to know the progress of this as well...its simple grind leves and hope you get your lvl and its kinda sad. Final Fantasy XI was a stand alone MMO to me and not that i would like the same thing but more originality towards that would be nice. These points are all hitting areas that would be awesome once touched up and would like to see it sooner than later since by the look of it right now most will be 50 in all jobs before it happens.

I agree to almost all of this.

Sp/XP group outside leves is nothing they can fix directly, you can already easily get 20-24k sp/hr outside leves in many different rank ranges, this is a community problem.

Square can give in and put in XI's partys search but I cannot see them doing anything else. Nerfing leves although would encourage this, but if people still refuse to do it you would have mass exoduses of people.

Only thing I can think is make Normal Grinds outside level = the SP in leves, and make the leves be the source for Marks and Faction Points... and make the rewards from Faction bosses and Guild Marks much much better to give people a reason to still do them.

honestly some of your "need" are player made. I did some exploring and found a good amount of "grind camp" places. Just no one wants to do anything outside of Levequests or behest.
SE didn't make the grind camps in ffxi, they were player discovered. Crafting needs randomness or wards (or ah if 1 is added) would have too many items on it and not enough buyers. Plus even in life making things is a hit or miss. Most stiff they are fixing or adding though.

Also fyi most games ingeneral were spammy not just hack and slash. Such as Zelda, elder scroll, fall out, Mario, mortal kombat just to name a few.

Female Roegadyn and a Functioning Job System that augments the Armoury system and doesn't destroy or replace it.

Thats all I've really been asking for myself.

The thing about people not making groups to grind SP/XP is in fact because there are other methods to get that SP/XP.
So we can say that Leves and Behest are the reasons because ppl don't do any grind party. So we can say that is a design base problem, and something that SE should fix imo.

Is this better or worse? Well, it depends on the point of view of each player. I personally think that in the long run is way more fun to play on a grind party just because you meet and play with other people, and that's I think what an online game should promote.

An online game should be something fun to play with others. But if there is something that you can do alone and gives you the SP/XP needed to level up, that's what players will mainly do just because is easier, faster or whatever.

I'm not against a solo content for people who maybe has not enough time to level up on grind partys, but in a MMO a solo feature shouldn't never be so good that makes any other ways to earn SP/XP completely unused.

BTW I agree completely with your points DoomCky, but I think that probably SE will want to start the pay system before. The features listed by you would be nice to have, but it will also take some time to implement all of them.

A good story that has goals worth working towards. Good quest stories too and small cutscenes + fame as a reward for completing them.

Above all I want all the things that wold be in an old school story driven non-mmo rpg.

XI had those and it was the only thing that managed to make me play an MMO and not feel like I'm just pointlessly running on a treadmill.

Gear should be tools for the player to reach goals but if they're the only goals to work towards then I don't see a point in playing at all.

Overall I think people have the same standard for a mmo that they do for a single player experience and I don't know why that is. XI managed to feel like a FF title because it didn't subscribe to the modern lazy way of mmo design and the main game was built around a core that could easily be just a normal FF-rpg without the mmo aspect in it.

(if everything was soloable that is)

More solo content,new classes and expansion stuff.

Something to do. Will get me paying. But sadly at the slowass rate SE is going, I most likely never will pay as I'll be paying for other games and the cost will outweigh.

more party lvling/events etc related for me, just too many other mmo's were solos the norm

I'll be happy to pay NOW for SE and support them to improve the game and make it better for us.

I know this game will be great sooner or later, So i'll be leveling up my classes and watch it evolve to something great <3

My two biggest problems are:

The time between hitting a button and having the action play out. Whether it's server related or game related, it drives me crazy and is the only big reason I don't play classes outside of crafting and gathering ones anymore.

Keyboard key bindings. I know this is being worked on, and I even have a work around with this extra little hand-sized keyboard of mine. But even so, I'd like any key on the keyboard to be fair game in mapping to some function. This includes mapping to keys that are on the other 0-9 bars. My usual setup is using 1-4, q, e, f, c and the middle mouse button for abilities. That is 9 keys, but combined with shift, control, and alt, that's room for 36 abilities. Each of which is accessible without taking my hand off the keyboard.

Just those two things would make me happy for a while.

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Originally Posted by RabidSquirrel

The time between hitting a button and having the action play out. Whether it's server related or game related, it drives me crazy and is the only big reason I don't play classes outside of crafting and gathering ones anymore.

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Oh man this drives me nuts. PlayOn is more responsive than this and that is streamed!!

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Originally Posted by DoomCky

10) Engine optimization:
10a)Game runs like poo

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This is probably one of the most basic problems with the game and in turn one of the least likely to see fixing. I'd absolutely love for SE to rework Crystal Tools for optimization but i highly doubt that'll happen. The game is too far along now for them to be making such a big change.

While we're on that, the lag is still terrible, when are they ever going to fix the UI lag? I can't remember any other game that had this many massive problems with latency, especially for things that should never, ever be affected by lag in the first place (like opening up menus).

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The time between hitting a button and having the action play out. Whether it's server related or game related, it drives me crazy and is the only big reason I don't play classes outside of crafting and gathering ones anymore.

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Lower your graphical settings. I had that problem and I lowered my settings and the game runs at a good click and there is no delay in response.

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Originally Posted by Mack

Lower your graphical settings. I had that problem and I lowered my settings and the game runs at a good click and there is no delay in response.

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That's still a massive red flag that the engine needs major overhaul. That still doesn't address network latency, by the way (or more importantly, what things depend on network latency).

The most important things for me are: (the first one being most important, but what I have least hope about)

-Optimisation of game engine and streamlined interaction with server, including reduction of time taken to execute actions (attacks should be instant, not have some irritating 1 second pause interacting with the server between pressing the button and the animation going off). Hardly anyone's computer can play this game smoothly, so it's no surprise there's hardly any players.

-A market system with a price history that doesn't involve searching for your item in a list, going to the particular ward, then looking for the particular player every single time you want to buy something. You should be able to buy it from the list you found it in, the added level of complexity they added is bizarre. This makes crafting and selling most items way too frustrating to even bother with for me. Just why does this current abomination exist?

-FFXI style player search/party recruitment

Adding extra content can take a backseat to these issues frankly, but later on I'd like to see:

-More FF classes that people come to expect. People want to play dark knights, ninja, samurai, bards, blue mages, corsairs, summoners and beastmasters, not <generic guy with a sword>, <generic guy with a bow>, etc.

-Ishgard, beastmen, chocobos, airships, new zones, obviously. Possibly town expansions? Gridania is practically 1/4 the size of Windurst....

-Impressive dungeons + boss fights (eg. Castle Zvahl, Shadowlord, etc.)

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Originally Posted by Dizmo

The most important things for me are: (the first one being most important)

-Optimisation of game engine and streamlined interaction with server, including reduction of time taken to execute actions (attacks should be instant, not have some irritating 1 second pause interacting with the server between pressing the button and the animation going off). Hardly anyone's computer can play this game smoothly, so it's no surprise there's hardly any players.

-A market system with a price history that doesn't involve searching for your item in a list, going to the particular ward, then looking for the particular player every single time you want to buy something. You should be able to buy it from the list you found it in, the added level of complexity they added is bizarre. This makes crafting way too frustrating to even bother with for me.

-FFXI style player search/party recruitment

Adding extra content can take a backseat to these issues frankly, but later on I'd like to see:

-More FF classes that people come to expect. People want to play dark knights, ninja, samurai, bards, blue mages, corsairs, summoners and beastmasters, not <generic guy with a sword>, <generic guy with a bow>, etc.

-Less generic zones, Ishgard, beastmen, chocobos, airships, obviously. Possibly town expansions? Gridania is practically 1/4 the size of Windurst....

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Man talk about hitting the nail right on the head!
classes i hate the generic ass mish mash armory system i agree i loved ff because of the classes being so different xiv they are all tooo generic nothing that makes any of them special

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Originally Posted by HayaHime

I'll be happy to pay NOW for SE and support them to improve the game and make it better for us.

I know this game will be great sooner or later, So i'll be leveling up my classes and watch it evolve to something great <3

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Agreed, compared to how this game was when it came out they are making good progress. It is clear to me that they are serious about continuing to improve this game, and it will keep getting better. When SE decides to start charging I'll be ready to pay, if that is next month or next year is up to them.

Japanese Idols & In-game Advertisement(Pizza Hut, Coke, etc.)

It would liven up the world.

Sounds liek UI/game overall lag is the biggest issue ppl have from paying, and its up there with job uniqueness, and shockly no one talks about our Nameday/Guardian. But keep the posts coming guys im sure in time if we keep this active more of issues will be delt with faster.

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Originally Posted by HayaHime

I'll be happy to pay NOW for SE and support them to improve the game and make it better for us.

I know this game will be great sooner or later, So i'll be leveling up my classes and watch it evolve to something great <3

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I agree with this :)

Problem is if they make it pay to play now to many ppl would leave, casue they dont wan tto sit around till they fix major issues that should been delt with in beta. Once we start paying it isnt a beta anymore.

for me to pay it needs to be more enjoyable than going to my real life job. right now there is grinding for levels to rank up other classes or nothing since there is hardly any in game content. i'm sorry but going out to just grind mobs day after day or sitting and crafting all day long is too much like a real life job to be enjoyable, but that's about all that's left to do.

added that to the list:
13)Make game more enjoyable

Then again that should been a given

solo content/lots of event/PVP and other stuff. :)

Make the game fun, don't care how they do it, just do it.

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Originally Posted by Cxplorer

solo content/lots of event/PVP and other stuff. :)

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There is already a decent amount of stuff to do solo wise. Need a balance of solo and group content.

Tera.



Oh, FF14?
Endgame dungeons with hard fights that require strategy (new battle system), not specific jobs.
Rewards that match the challenges we are given.
As different from XI as possible. Content designed for us people with jobs and families.

Seems that http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...995#post138995 is going to cross off a few thing on my list, and maybe others.

I'm going to be realistic and say when all of the major reforms have been completed. But in reality if they started charging tomorrow I'd start paying tomorrow.

chocobos, summoners, airships, and fun (a reason to want to play)

I was hyped for this game, but I find myself not wanting to stay online, and imho, that's bad for a mmo. Give me a reason to neglect life, lol seriously.

Life is overrated.

1. The new job and battle system is implemented.
2. A few more areas are introduced. Areas I can't get to until I finish a certain objective. A place I have to work for.
3. The implementation of traditional Final Fantasy transportation. Also something I'd like to work for.

That I feel would be good grounds for me to begin payment.