Relic +1 vs upgrading other slots

Hey all, I just completed my relic for my WHM. I currently have about 700 myth tomes saved up, so I will be able to +1 it later this week. However, I'm trying to decide if it would be better to upgrade one of my lvl60 gear pieces to lvl90 first instead.

e.g. I'm currently wearing the Strategos headpiece (I have the Vanya robe of healing, so getting DL for head is not an option). If I upgrade the head to Cleric's Crown (or whatever the lvl90 is called), I'd be gaining +8 vitality, +8 mind, +7 piety, and +4 spell speed. Conversely, if I get +1 on my relic instead, I'd get +3 damage on the weapon, with +5 vitality, +4 mind, +3 determination, and +3 spell speed.

I guess the real question is how much benefit is the +3 weapon damage from the +1 on relic? Would that automatically outweigh the other stat benefits from upgrading my head slot?

Thanks for your time!

Yeah, Relic+1 is the biggest output increase you can get, no discussion involved. You could argue wanting AF2 pieces first for the increased Vitality, but even then, Thyrus+1 grants a Vitality boost as well, even if it isn't as sizeable.

Now, if you care more about looking pretty or aren't under pressure to perform... :p Then you can spend stuff as you want to.

i chose my AF2 chest as a SCH because its my BiS if you want i can find the page where it had the BiS's for both sch/whm :)

I like to look at it this way:

An upgrade from lv80 gear to lv90 gear vs. an upgrade from lv60-70(AKdrops/DL) to lv90 gear.

Now what I did was, farm philo, get all DL but the body piece because ugly as hell. Got my Cleric's Robe first, and kept farming philo.

Sell a bunch of philo items to get a Vanya hat(you can also farm the 9 potashes and get the best crafter in you server make it HQ for you), and fill it with materia.

Now you have a lvl90 body piece and a badass hat which is the best hat you can get until you get you lv90 head piece (Cleric's Circlet).

Now, I was really tempted to get the lv90 legs piece but I chose Relic+1 because shiny weapon reasons.

To sum up, the most logical (power>looks) way of doing things would be leaving you Relic+1 at the bottom of the list, and by this I mean getting the head, body, hands, legs and feet pieces first. If you just wanna look cool, and don't mind at all farming for Vanya stuff, Relic+1 it's the first thing you should get.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

Yeah, Relic+1 is the biggest output increase you can get, no discussion involved. You could argue wanting AF2 pieces first for the increased Vitality, but even then, Thyrus+1 grants a Vitality boost as well, even if it isn't as sizeable.

Now, if you care more about looking pretty or aren't under pressure to perform... :p Then you can spend stuff as you want to.

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This. I am pretty sure it will take at least 2-3 gear up grade to match the upgrade you get from Relic +1. That is strictly in term of healing.
If you want more defensive stat (vit) then gear up grade will be better. But the magic power, mind from relic +1 usually worth a lot in term of healing

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Originally Posted by Miridori

This. I am pretty sure it will take at least 2-3 gear up grade to match the upgrade you get from Relic +1. That is strictly in term of healing.
If you want more defensive stat (vit) then gear up grade will be better. But the magic power, mind from relic +1 usually worth a lot in term of healing

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Err... Kinda. if you want bigger numbers as a SCH go relic+1 but i have more vit/pie/crit than if i would have gotten my relic (since i got my af2 chest i melded my vanya hat) so now i have even more determination. Coupled with the fact that i get more Mind ( my friend sch with full dl has 426 while i have 444) this is in party. plus the fact that i crit way more than he does. my heals jump from around 880-910 and his are around 910-920... i mean its preference.

It depends on your current gear, because healing is a function of wep dps and mind. So if you have more mind... weapon dps is worth more, and vice versa.

If you factor in the possibility of drops from coil 1-4.... your ideal options are (+1 Relic, Pants, Ring). However the order is debatable...


Personally I got the ring first because I had 50 SCH and WHM and had not yet chosen one (because I did not yet have a reliable group).

Second the +1.... because the legs would have messed up my full DL set (soley based on my own ocd)

I found going from the Garuda staff to Relic +1 as a BLM gave me about a 10% increase in damage. I'm thinking the spell damage increase from the WHM weapon would yield around the same effect for +healing.

Thanks for the replies!

I'm thinking +1 is the way to go for now. I can still upgrade my lvl60 pieces by getting DL (or crafting the HQ lvl70 head piece), but there's no other upgrade currently for my relic. Or I can just wait two more weeks to get enough Myths for the 90 head piece anyway.

I'm told that party limit breaks are dependent on the total damage output from every member's weapon. If this is true the upgrade can mean a lot toward getting those huge numbers in limit break damage.

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Originally Posted by RunaRugar

To sum up, the most logical (power>looks) way of doing things would be leaving you Relic+1 at the bottom of the list, and by this I mean getting the head, body, hands, legs and feet pieces first. If you just wanna look cool, and don't mind at all farming for Vanya stuff, Relic+1 it's the first thing you should get.

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This is 100% wrong.

Not only is the Allagan equivalent weapon a turn 5 drop, the relic +1 single-handedly increases your healing throughput more per mythology tomestone than any other thing you can buy.

In summary, if you didn't get your relic +1 first, you have gimped yourself severely for 3 weeks.

BiS Gear for Both Sch & WHM
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Scholar:

Head: Allagan/Argute (DET)
Chest: Argute (CRIT)
Hands: Allagan (CRIT)
Legs: Allagan/Argute (CRIT)
Feet: Allagan (SS) or *Argute* (PIE/SS)

Belt: Hero's (CRIT)
Necklace: Hero's (PIE/CRIT)
Earrings: Hero's (CRIT)
Bracelets: Hero's (PIE/CRIT)
Ring: Allagan (PIE/DET) and Hero's (CRIT)

*****

White Mage:

Head: Allagan (DET) or Cleric's (PIE/SS)
Chest: Allagan (DET)
Hands: Cleric's (SS)
Legs: Cleric's (DET)
Feet: Cleric's (DET)

Belt: Allagan (PIE/SS)
Necklace: Allagan (DET)
Earrings: Allagan (PIE/DET)
Bracelets: Allagan (SS)
Ring: Allagan (PIE/DET) and Hero's (CRIT)

your going to want to get your af2 chest first as a sch, then Fill from there. relic+1 is really not that important lol we get more in terms of other stats like crit.

You are going to want the HP from AF2 Chest/Helm over Relic+1. It will mean the difference of a one shot or not in Coil, if you happen to get caught in some AoEs.

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Originally Posted by Celsius

your going to want to get your af2 chest first as a sch, then Fill from there. relic+1 is really not that important lol we get more in terms of other stats like crit.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

You are going to want the HP from AF2 Chest/Helm over Relic+1. It will mean the difference of a one shot or not in Coil, if you happen to get caught in some AoEs.

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You are both wrong.

That little bit of crit from the AF2 chest doesn't make up the raw healing power 3 weapon damage gives you.

Also, if you're getting hit by any AoE in coil that can one-shot you, mechanics need to be worked on before you can call it a gear issue.

Take it from a scholar who has cleared turn 4 with full DL and relic +1.

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Originally Posted by LunaFiretouched

You are both wrong.

That little bit of crit from the AF2 chest doesn't make up the raw healing power 3 weapon damage gives you.

Also, if you're getting hit by any AoE in coil that can one-shot you, mechanics need to be worked on before you can call it a gear issue.

Take it from a scholar who has cleared turn 4 with full DL and relic +1.

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Would you read the posts? I didn't say it was equal. I've said elsewhere that it's worth giving up a little throughput in exchange for basically an extra life in some critical situations.

I'm thinking of some crappy RNG lag spikes. It behooves me to opt for a bit more survivability because I do have occasional issues with sudden response drops with the client.

Besides...I'll have a relic+1 with AF2 chest/helm next week. Like it's a big deal.

get your relic + 1 first seriously I don't know why you would get anything else before it, the only comparable item is a turn 5 drop why is this even a decision. get your relic +1 first then aim for your AF2 chest and head if your so keen on looking cosmetic things.

your job as a healer is to heal why would you sacrifice that AT ALL for anything else?

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Originally Posted by shadowrell_d-_-b

gyour job as a healer is to heal why would you sacrifice that AT ALL for anything else?

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You want the honest answer to all this? It doesn't matter either way.

The gains you get from Relic+1 are so close to be within the RNG range of heals with the base relic that we are talking about peanuts here. Factor in the RNG range of damage and RNG rotation of boss skills, and we are barely moving the needle. Then look at crit rate and instance of overheal vs. minimum HP threshold and it gets even less.

If everything can be predicted then fine tuning to the single digit would make sense, but this game has so much random flux in EVERYTHING that you can theorycraft all day to get almost no benefit in-game.

Experience trumps gear if we are talking about Relic+1 vs. Relic+AF2(2).

another way to say I know its better but I don't care! look I don't intend to go thru this with you here as well, you have given me more than enough headache (I have literally face palmed more than any other internet forum I have been on in recent months)

you have fun playing numbers, and twisting reason to your benefit to get whatever your sad idea of what's right proven. but please spare me the BS.

to the OP do as you like its your choice! or do as the guy above me suggests as to my knowledge he is very rarely WRONG!