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10-15-2013, 08:35 PM
Kat_Manx

CM Changes

Run not finished yet, but basically impossible to sneak behind gate guards now at least. Mobs seem to drop between 20-30 gil.
10-15-2013, 08:38 PM
LarsCroft

at least i can pay for child support now

edit: anything else different please update xD
10-15-2013, 08:41 PM
BlueMage

So they stopped hiring Metal Gear Solid guards?
10-15-2013, 08:42 PM
SolviteSekai

Skipping mobs was stupid. Glad its gone.
10-15-2013, 08:56 PM
Kat_Manx

A tank said one of the giants is at a different spot. No clue what that really means. Run was about 5 mins longer than normal. :) No biggie.
10-15-2013, 09:00 PM
Namko

Still 100 Tomes for the clear?
10-15-2013, 09:00 PM
A-Shock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

A tank said one of the giants is at a different spot. No clue what that really means. Run was about 5 mins longer than normal. :) No biggie.

So what was the reward? I assume Philosophy, but how much? Or did they not alter CM?
10-15-2013, 09:04 PM
Kat_Manx

Same reward as before, 100 Philosophy. :)
10-15-2013, 09:09 PM
A-Shock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

Same reward as before, 100 Philosophy. :)

So no changes to CM other than mechanics. Hopefully someone can post the changes to AK/WP soon! Because i'd love to stop doing CM!
10-15-2013, 09:11 PM
Kenka

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Originally Posted by A-Shock

So no changes to CM other than mechanics. Hopefully someone can post the changes to AK/WP soon! Because i'd love to stop doing CM!

Amdapor was not changed mob-wise, was it? It drops 100 Philosophy and 40 Myth now
10-15-2013, 09:13 PM
LordSideKicks

Wp 100/30 10chars
10-15-2013, 09:14 PM
A-Shock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kenka

Amdapor was not changed mob-wise, was it? It drops 100 Philosophy and 40 Myth now

No I don't think AK was changed mob wise, just drop wise. So doing AK is a bit more worthwhile now with a good PT. 100 Phil instead of 80.
10-15-2013, 09:15 PM
Hairo

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Originally Posted by LordSideKicks

Wp 100/30 10chars

aye - guildee can confirm this wp is 100/30 with mobs dropping gil too - he pocketed around 3.5k after the run
10-15-2013, 09:20 PM
Kenka

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-Shock

No I don't think AK was changed mob wise, just drop wise. So doing AK is a bit more worthwhile now with a good PT. 100 Phil instead of 80.

Might be better while you are getting yourself DL and the ilvl 60 set. For Myths WP might be better now with a good PT.
10-15-2013, 09:23 PM
Cynthis

Anyone know how much Myth The howling eye or The navel drops now?
10-15-2013, 09:29 PM
Jinfire

Garuda drops 15 Philo 10 Myth and Titan i heard is 20/15
10-15-2013, 09:42 PM
A-Shock

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinfire

Garuda drops 15 Philo 10 Myth and Titan i heard is 20/15

What was it before? I honestly forget. I haven't done Garuda/Titan other than twice honestly for my relics.
10-15-2013, 09:44 PM
Vydos

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Originally Posted by A-Shock

What was it before? I honestly forget. I haven't done Garuda/Titan other than twice honestly for my relics.

I know that Garuda dropped 7 myths before the update. I don't know about phil tomes, but I'm guessing it was 12.
10-15-2013, 09:45 PM
Jinfire

Quote:

Originally Posted by A-Shock

What was it before? I honestly forget. I haven't done Garuda/Titan other than twice honestly for my relics.

15/7 for garuda and 20/10 for titan
10-15-2013, 09:46 PM
Evangela

AK: 100tp, 40tm
- first boss 20tp
- 2nd boss 30tp
- 3rd boss 50tp & 40tm
10-15-2013, 09:49 PM
Ispen

The guards really did need to be fixed was embarrassing that you could run right behind them and not aggro them.
10-15-2013, 09:58 PM
TheMoonflow

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ispen

The guards really did need to be fixed was embarrassing that you could run right behind them and not aggro them.

Funny thing is, you still can.
They just repositioned a few of them so there's no gap to walk behind.
The actual flaw in the script wasn't fixed at all
10-15-2013, 10:09 PM
Fantasy9

But then what is the point of aggro by sight and aggro by sound if it is ignored to appease whiners about speed runs? Also any cut scenes you skip CAN be viewed at "The Unending Journey" in the inn room.
10-15-2013, 10:10 PM
Snitchie

The guards in CM was sight only mobs. Meaning they must c u.. why not just add sound aswell ?? lol..
There is no sneak invisible in 14 like 11 had. But Im still amazed on how many mobs that are sight only.. Walk right behind and they dont react at all.. We are all Ninjas moving like little mice :D
10-15-2013, 10:20 PM
Fantasy9

With the amount of Tomes Of Philosophy that i have to grind for to gear my jobs is bad enough and then they go and block speed runs. I don't understand why this community whines so much about speed runs. No other community for any other mmo is this whiny about it.
10-15-2013, 10:27 PM
Keres

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Originally Posted by TheMoonflow

Funny thing is, you still can.
They just repositioned a few of them so there's no gap to walk behind.
The actual flaw in the script wasn't fixed at all

I'd guess that it's because moving them is a far lower-impact change to make than trying to tweak the AI/aggro mechanics, and safer to implement without as much risk of introducing other issues.
10-15-2013, 10:29 PM
ispano

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Originally Posted by TheMoonflow

Funny thing is, you still can.
They just repositioned a few of them so there's no gap to walk behind.
The actual flaw in the script wasn't fixed at all

It's not a flaw in the script. It's how that type of mob was designed to aggro, sight aggro. If it has eyes or what look like eyes it's sight aggro. It sees in a cone in front. Otherwise it's sound aggro. SE said this long ago. They just moved them so you can't run behind.
10-15-2013, 10:45 PM
silentwindfr

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Originally Posted by Fantasy9

With the amount of Tomes Of Philosophy that i have to grind for to gear my jobs is bad enough and then they go and block speed runs. I don't understand why this community whines so much about speed runs. No other community for any other mmo is this whiny about it.

maybe because it's almost like cheating? when you speedrun, most of the time you break the main purpose of the trash by skipping them. how can you feel content to have get your DL stuff like this?
10-15-2013, 11:20 PM
Kuroyasha

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

maybe because it's almost like cheating? when you speedrun, most of the time you break the main purpose of the trash by skipping them. how can you feel content to have get your DL stuff like this?

I always feel content skipping weak trash
10-15-2013, 11:28 PM
Tanaya

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

maybe because it's almost like cheating?

No, it isn't.

I have -never- got the ideal behind this. There is no problem whatsoever with skipping trash mobs if it is possible.
10-15-2013, 11:32 PM
Mark-JPS

They are whining because they love hardcore and painful grinding. That's Japanese MMO for you. Japanese gamers loves grinding endless hours... You wonder why most hardcore gamers are always Japanese who always ends up in the leaderboard?
10-15-2013, 11:32 PM
Arkista

About 5 mins more depending on the group could be longer. And I was lagging really bad at the last boss phase 2 but it seemed like she took longer to kill and I've done over 150 CM runs.
10-15-2013, 11:33 PM
xXHalloweenTrixXx

Speed Runs actually began to encourage elitist behavior in groups. People would get cursed at if they aggro even -one- monster, as if its the end of the world to burn the add down in a few seconds.
10-15-2013, 11:35 PM
azura84

Yea I have to say, when SE requires us to repeat these raids dozens of times over just to get 1 piece of DL/relic/AF2 at a time we end up finding ways to shorten how long it takes us to finish. It's simple logic, because be honest, do you go in and watch the cutscenes over and over? It's the same concept. Speed runs I think should even be an option in activating the duty, thus allowing us to skip all the tedious CSs automatically.

Anyone know about Prae drops?
10-15-2013, 11:36 PM
SnickleWhiskers

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Originally Posted by silentwindfr

maybe because it's almost like cheating? when you speedrun, most of the time you break the main purpose of the trash by skipping them. how can you feel content to have get your DL stuff like this?

You're implying people should take any kind of pride in having DL when it takes next to nothing in terms of skill to obtain.
10-15-2013, 11:41 PM
Orsnoire

The irony of this thread:

People still want to do speedrun of CM when they now have the other options.

In other threads the constant plea was simply for another option. now it's there and there's still whining about speedrun of CM. Some people can never be pleased.
10-15-2013, 11:43 PM
Miiu

Invis pot and silent oil says hi. It was common practice in FFXI to sneak past stuff. There you even could buy/craft items which made this easier.
10-15-2013, 11:44 PM
Nash774

Quote:

Originally Posted by silentwindfr

maybe because it's almost like cheating? when you speedrun, most of the time you break the main purpose of the trash by skipping them. how can you feel content to have get your DL stuff like this?

If you want to be all technical.. what is the best way to infiltrate an enemy base? Head on? Or sneaky?

I think being sneaky fits what you are doing. You are infiltrating an enemy base right?
10-15-2013, 11:45 PM
IzumiRaito

Fixing "exploits" that encourage being toxic to players that dont know them or dont want to use them is a good thing to do for a healthier community.

Raging at players that dont know about, dont want or failed at skipping mobs in ak/cm.
Raging at players watching cutscenes (still not fixed).
Raging at players that didnt do no weakness rez bug.
Condemning players that were "completing the objective" in DD fate.

Even if such "exploit" itself may not be a bad thing, as soon as using it is being enforced at randomly-met players, it becomes a nightmare.
10-15-2013, 11:51 PM
Fiorana

Quote:

Originally Posted by IzumiRaito

Fixing "exploits" that encourage being toxic to players that dont know them or dont want to use them is a good thing to do for a healthier community.

Raging at players that dont know about, dont want or failed at skipping mobs in ak/cm.
Raging at players watching cutscenes (still not fixed).
Raging at players that didnt do no weakness rez bug.
Condemning players that were "completing the objective" in DD fate.

Even if such "exploit" itself may not be a bad thing, as soon as using it is being enforced at randomly-met players, it becomes a nightmare.

^ pretty much what caused it.

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