Square-Enix you didn't think this through (alt leveling)

What happens when your game evens out and low level zones are empty?
What happens when hunting log isn't enough to grant my alt classes levels?

I'll tell you what happens... running around as a level 7 Lancer struggling to gain experience because nobody is doing Fates and the Fates don't scale properly for me to solo them.

I'm on a very populated server (Behemoth) and as of right now, Central Shroud and Western LaNoscea are both empty with roughly 6-7 people in them, and nobody is doing fates.

I'm asking you, how do I level? my hunting log alone isn't enough and since I've done every quest on my 50 and nobody is doing fates, what can I do?

you want my suggestion?

1. Scale Fates, if nobody is around I should be able to solo it.
2. Reset Guild Hests and Side Quests when you switch class
3. Add more monsters to each hunting log bracket, or increase EXP gained by 100%.

That's when you do Guildhest's... oh wait 90 minute queues for DPS.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

1. Scale Fates, if nobody is around I should be able to solo it.
2. Reset Guild Hests and Side Quests when you switch class
3. Add more monsters to each hunting log bracket, or increase EXP gained by 100%.

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1. No, and it already works that way, you can already solo any that do not involve killing a field boss.
2. Guildhests do not need to be reset, you can do them infinitely, just DF queue. You probably meant levequests.
3. No, there are different monster sets for each class.

If you play the entire storyline on one class, then yes you're not going to have enough EXP to level up another combat class. You will need to do dungeons or guildhests instead of FATE's.

My suggestion is that if you're leveling up a DPS class, don't bother with the DF queues because you will never, ever, be able to do it efficiently. Only DF if you're leveling a healer or a tank, because a healer can't get gold exp in most FATE's unless they have the entire non-field boss FATE to themselves. I've resorted to entering a fate with my level 50 DPS and then changing to my non-DPS class 90 seconds before the fate will end to get the exp on that role, because otherwise I'm only going to get bronze or silver entering as that role.

FATE's don't scale well for healer classes because if you're around 100 other players doing the same fate, the monster is dead before you even finish casting anything but Aero.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

That's when you do Guildhest's... oh wait 90 minute queues for DPS.

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Not to mention they don't reset when you swap class.. making guildhests only useful once and once only.

spam dungeons with friends or do leves

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Originally Posted by Mazi

spam dungeons with friends or do leves

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Dungeon isn't reliable choice for lone wolf :(

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Originally Posted by Mazi

spam dungeons with friends or do leves

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Dungeons give poor experience, not to mention are locked until 15...

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Dungeons give poor experience, not to mention are locked until 15...

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If literally the goal is to get 15 then just exp chain stuff a level higher then you and do leves to finish it off + hunting log, takes no time to get that high.

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Dungeons give poor experience, not to mention are locked until 15...

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LIES! Dungeons are awesome















































at level 40.

After grinding fates for a while you begin to acknowledge how you actually love questing.

did you know, mobs yield exp too?

did you know, exp chain yields more exp?

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Not to mention they don't reset when you swap class.. making guildhests only useful once and once only.

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I only do guildhests on my healer class. I've done several multiple times, and EXP was gained from them every time, I'm not sure what you're getting at with "they don't reset"

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

Dungeons give poor experience, not to mention are locked until 15...

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Yeah I guess I was getting about a level ever 4-5 hrs doing dungeons whereas FATES is 1 level an hour or something ??

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I only do guildhests on my healer class. I've done several multiple times, and EXP was gained from them every time, I'm not sure what you're getting at with "they don't reset"

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You only get the "first time completion" bonus once.

The first time you do them, you get approximately 8x - 10x more experience.

Doing them more than once is a waste of time, you get really poor experience per hour in comparison to other options.

I hate to break it to you, but if you are having this much of a problem getting your first alt class to level 10, you are probably going to rage quit over higher levels. There are options. No, they aren't the best exp options, but they are there. Levequests, exp chains, some fates that you can solo, they will all get you there eventually. And maybe this will be a lesson to those who do every single quest on one class. Personally, I leave all side quests for alt classes, and only do the main storyline on my highest class, thereby breaking up the grinding periods. Even so, it's a challenge at times to find ways to level alt classes. But that doesn't mean SE needs to make things even easier than they already are.

Being a lone wolf isn't really an excuse. This is an MMO, you play with other people. If your not playing with other people why are you playing an MMO in the first place?

I got to level 15 on a new class in like an hour just killing mobs and doing my hunting log with about 8 leve's. I just hit 5 at the starting area on mobs and the HL with nothing else. Then went and picked up every Leve in western thanalan, did them while continuing hunting log and soloing a kill X number of mobs fate. I made it to 10 in no time and went to horizon and picked up all those levels and went down there and soloed some of those fates too and made it to 15.

At 15 I found 3 buddies to come level alts with me in the aleport area where we did fates together and we EXP Farmed goblins to 20 And then went to south shroud, eventually picking up a full part level 20-23 where we leveled to 30 and moved to costa del sol. Any time we weren't doing a fate, we were exp grinding mobs.

Lol level 1 hunting log should take you to around 7.
It takes 20 minutes to get to 15, with the 50% exp boost if you have a 50. Then you can use Helm of Light or FC exp boost etc.

I would like daily's though.

You grind... You know.. like you do in EVERY FINAL FANTASY EVER... sheesh

Asian mmos, always a grind.

With the chocobo and decent gear you can solo exp chain pretty well

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Originally Posted by Animation

I would like daily's though.

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We have dailies - leves.

Whereas a daily gives you a bunchv'e quests you can do once each day, they give you dozens of quests and say "you can do 6 of these a day, pick what best suits you"

Ryios, just because it's an MMO doesn't mean people play it just to play with others. Personally i'd LOVE to be able to do everything on my own or with 1-2 friends. As most of you know, a lot of people on FFXIV are rather mean, and not really worth talking to. Now i know not all are mean, i've meet a few nice ones, but i met far more nasty ones. I play MMO's because it's a never ending game. A game i could put 1,000's of hours in and still not complete everything. A game i pay 15$ a month for and it'll constantly have new content to keep me ( and others) playing it. Not speaking for FFXIV specificly, just MMO's in general.

do fate on lvl 50 synced job switch to lower lvl class last minute = easy exp from fate

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Originally Posted by DeceptionsWrath

Ryios, just because it's an MMO doesn't mean people play it just to play with others. Personally i'd LOVE to be able to do everything on my own or with 1-2 friends. As most of you know, a lot of people on FFXIV are rather mean, and not really worth talking to. Now i know not all are mean, i've meet a few nice ones, but i met far more nasty ones. I play MMO's because it's a never ending game. A game i could put 1,000's of hours in and still not complete everything. A game i pay 15$ a month for and it'll constantly have new content to keep me ( and others) playing it. Not speaking for FFXIV specificly, just MMO's in general.

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Why not just accept that the limitations you yourself are putting on the game mean that you won't get to experience everything? Should someone who demands that they always be allowed to play with their 8-man permagroup never have to do solo content?

There's a beauty and elegance in the simplicity of charging straight into that one and only one goal. How could you stand just playing one class on the initial playthrough? I know I can't. When I imagine the time you spent in DF queues, I am actually impressed by your tenacity. A single deviation for level 6 lancer, presumably because the elitists are mocking you about level 34 lancer and lack of blood for blood right about now. Not a single DoH, DoL class. You didn't even try on the gear. Amazing sense of purpose.
(*I honestly don't know if I'm being sarcastic or not, the forums certainly will take it that way.)

But with that sort of willpower, I'm sure you can accomplish fate grinding. Somebody said it before, but yes zones are empty. Any FATEs that are not single big boss should be easy enough to accomplish without a group, but it will be slower XP since the zerg isn't around. Until level 15ish, self chain 5 is a good goal and fills in FATE downtime easily. If you have another player to join with, even better.

Easy solution to this one: Do it all now! Farm those FATEs until your fingers bleed, and then farm some more. Best MMO 2013.

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Originally Posted by Animation

Lol level 1 hunting log should take you to around 7.
It takes 20 minutes to get to 15, with the 50% exp boost if you have a 50. Then you can use Helm of Light or FC exp boost etc.

I would like daily's though.

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The 50% exp boost is if you have any char even 1 level higher than the current combat class.

Trying to level THM from 15 to 16 and have a lv 16 PGL? +50% bonus.

I can solo the low level Fates if I'm not too overeager, why can't you ?

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Originally Posted by Animation

It takes 20 minutes to get to 15, with the 50% exp boost if you have a 50.

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It's incredible the amount of rubbish people spout these days, high on their awesome horse.

Doing the FIRST quest at level 1 (the kill these 3 mobs 3 times and come back) easily takes the best of 7 minutes alone, and take you to level 3-4 only.
I have 2 50 (so i had the bonus), was wearing the helm and riding a mount between location.

So unless you can pop almost a level per MINUTE i can hardly see how your claim has any sense of foundation.

Oh wait, it doesnt.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

That's when you do Guildhest's... oh wait 90 minute queues for DPS.

FATE's don't scale well for healer classes because if you're around 100 other players doing the same fate, the monster is dead before you even finish casting anything but Aero.

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Oh wait, you can actually select all 4 languages and do both dungeons and guildhests even as DPS with a lot less wait time. Imagine that.

Aero... really? That's how you are trying to get experience in fates as a cnj/whm? That would explain why you aren't getting very much in fates rating. Try... healing... (imagine that, though I suppose if you are on a PS3 at that point it is a little bit harder than just clicking on a person who doesn't have full health and casting cure) I pull off gold ratings (solo) not even doing any damage in fates. Sure its useful for simply tagging monsters in fates as long as you get the first hit, but healing gets you much more fate credit than aero ever will.

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Originally Posted by Furio

*All* mmos, always a grind.

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Let me fix that comment for you

I don't understand why Guildhests are a one-time bonus... they should give at least 80% of the EXP that an equivalent FATE would give and there should be a first-time completion bonus for each class.

Didn't Yoshi-P say that Guildhests would be a leveling solution for people looking to party-grind?

I wonder what happened.... :/

I have the same problem as the OP. At low levels there is very few people around. If it were my 1st class, there would be no problem cause at the beginning I had a lot of rewarding quests, but not anymore.

And fates, I need to solo them all, there is too few around to help (or interested in helping). Not to mention that it takes several minutes for each spawn.

So from reading this thread, that the best way to level a sub class is by chaining mobs?

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Originally Posted by Rekujen

What happens when your game evens out and low level zones are empty?
What happens when hunting log isn't enough to grant my alt classes levels?

I'll tell you what happens... running around as a level 7 Lancer struggling to gain experience because nobody is doing Fates and the Fates don't scale properly for me to solo them.

I'm on a very populated server (Behemoth) and as of right now, Central Shroud and Western LaNoscea are both empty with roughly 6-7 people in them, and nobody is doing fates.

I'm asking you, how do I level? my hunting log alone isn't enough and since I've done every quest on my 50 and nobody is doing fates, what can I do?

you want my suggestion?

1. Scale Fates, if nobody is around I should be able to solo it.
2. Reset Guild Hests and Side Quests when you switch class
3. Add more monsters to each hunting log bracket, or increase EXP gained by 100%.

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I agree with you. There needs to be more ways to level alts.

Let's say that you want to take that alt up all the way to 50 rather than just for cross class skills. At 50, you're going to run into a giant contradiction between the armory system which encourages switching classes / jobs and performing many roles and the endgame system which discourages that altogether with a weekly cap on myth currency (which limits you gearing up more than one job) and Coil having lockouts (which again limits gearing multiple jobs). So you either focus on one, half-focus on more than one and take forever to gear up, or just accept that if you play more than one class that doesn't share gear, you're going to have very poor progression.

Then of course is the problem with actually leveling to 50 with most of the quests gone, dungeons not giving enough exp compared to FATEs, and generally FATEs being the only thing worth doing. I'd have been depressed leveling my alt (PLD, which of course shares a lot of gear with WAR, otherwise I wouldn't have done it...) if I was in a situation like the TC and saw empty FATEs.

On a somewhat related note I've noticed while leveling scholar that low level dungeon queues are getting longer. Its gonna suck for new players that come into the game in a few months unless they add some kind of incentive for players to go back to these. Particularly the trial primals and cape westwind which drop no loot or exp.

For clarity, I started with the dungeon in South Shroud (totosomething?) and went up to Brayflox and I've yet to have a queue shorter than 30 minutes as a healer. >_>

1. If you are having issues getting to 15, then you are doing something wrong.

Between the hunting log, the class quests, the side quests (assuming you were smart and didn't blow them all on 1-2 classes. I didn't and still got 90% of mine :D), FATEs, guildhests, and leves...there should be no reason why you are struggling at lvl 7.

I've actually timed it with me and several other people. removing side quests from the equation (since most people didn't listen to the limited quest announcement and blew through everything. most, not all) getting to level 15 from the log, class quests, FATEs, and hests (we didn't do leves) could take roughly 2-4 hours if you focus on the class and don't get sidetracked. The variance in time was for class quests and leveling pace between people.

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Originally Posted by NovaLevossida

Let's say that you want to take that alt up all the way to 50 rather than just for cross class skills. At 50, you're going to run into a giant contradiction between the armory system which encourages switching classes / jobs and performing many roles and the endgame system which discourages that altogether with a weekly cap on myth currency (which limits you gearing up more than one job) and Coil having lockouts (which again limits gearing multiple jobs). So you either focus on one, half-focus on more than one and take forever to gear up, or just accept that if you play more than one class that doesn't share gear, you're going to have very poor progression.

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I'm actively leveling 3 characters. You can always go that route if you felt like it. So I can actually focus on 3 jobs I want to play.. well sort of anyways ;) Leveling multiple character just works for me better since I actually have more room to keep gear (having 3 different armouries and 6 retainers) Transferring gear is simply mailing/trading with friends or using the FC vault (as long as it's not bound) When I get my 2nd and 3rd char to end game I can do whatever weekly limits 3 times.

lol half of you have no idea what he's saying and start throwing the typical "op is dumb" comments. Seriously.

*Grinding mobs isn't an efficient way of exp, even with 50% exp boost and chains, it's slow and tedious.
*Guild Hests are only good ONCE and ONCE only, they should reset when you switch class, period.
*You can't solo 90% of the fates, if you say you can, you are lying...
*Dungeons are terrible exp and only available past 15

He's not saying he's a "lone wolf" he's simply stating the obvious, leveling alts without populated zones is insanely difficult and boring. The only legitimate option you have is Leves and even THAT is terrible exp and limiting.

He's right about the hunting log too, they should add more monsters per class or bump the exp.

If you people took a deep breath before replying to OP and put yourselves in his shoes, you'd know exactly what he's talking about.. I experienced the same problem, all the low level zones were dead, fates were active everywhere and I took hours just to hit level 15, I don't even want to imagine 1-2 years down the line when new players join the game and nobody is doing fates, imagine trying to level an alt without story quests? oh WOW and trying to get it to 50? not unless they change something, it's not gonna happen and people will quit.

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Originally Posted by diulalasing

did you know, mobs yield exp too?

did you know, exp chain yields more exp?

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Did you know, this is not FFXI?

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

1. No, and it already works that way, you can already solo any that do not involve killing a field boss.
2. Guildhests do not need to be reset, you can do them infinitely, just DF queue. You probably meant levequests.
3. No, there are different monster sets for each class.

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Guildhests are only viable once per "character" they don't offer the "completion bonus" 2nd time round, even if you swap class.. making them a waste of time. Why would I queue for 30 minutes just to get 800 exp?

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Originally Posted by diulalasing

did you know, mobs yield exp too?

did you know, exp chain yields more exp?

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Slow and boring, not to mention people farming mats will get in the way of exp chains. This isn't 2002, mmo's have moved away from mindless grinding.

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Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi

I only do guildhests on my healer class. I've done several multiple times, and EXP was gained from them every time, I'm not sure what you're getting at with "they don't reset"

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See above, you don't get "completion bonus" for doing it a 2nd time, even if you swap class.

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Being a lone wolf isn't really an excuse. This is an MMO, you play with other people. If your not playing with other people why are you playing an MMO in the first place?

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Read my post again please, I mentioned the zone was dead... on a popular server too! FC members aren't always eager to help level lowbies for hours, they don't mind running dungeons or helping with duty finder queues.. but asking them to come low level areas whenever I want to level up an alt isn't exactly an efficient way of leveling.

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I just think more needs to be done, guildhests should reset, dungeons should give more exp than fates and side quests should reset when you swap class... this would help a butt-load for leveling alts.

Most people don't have this problem because they leveled most of their alts while low level areas were still jam packed... I'm thinking about the future here, when Central Shroud, Western Thanalan etc are empty. Even in popular mmo's like WoW, low level areas are dead. This isn't because the game is dying but because most people are already max level and the amount of "new players" isn't as big as a launch title.

my 2c. just trying to help future-proof this game.