SE's FFXIV at E3

E3 is coming soon and as we get closer the less info and communication we see from SE regarding FFXIV. The letters from Yoshi-P lately where minimal, letting us know things are coming but no details at all of what is coming.

Clearly SE will have some stuff to announce in regards to FFXIV at this year's E3. But could it be a lot more then the PS3 release? Will SE be dropping a bomb that will save FFXIV?

Discuss...

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

E3 is coming soon and as we get closer the less info and communication we see from SE regarding FFXIV. The letters from Yoshi-P lately where minimal, letting us know things are coming but no details at all of what is coming.

Clearly SE will have some stuff to announce in regards to FFXIV at this year's E3. But could it be a lot more then the PS3 release? Will SE be dropping a bomb that will save FFXIV?

Discuss...

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Letters from the Producer happen on a set schedule and so far hes not really missed a day for them.
Also they havent' had much to update in them because all of the updates they've talked about were culminate in the next two updates and after they are done all the other back burner things can start full steam development again.

Also he stated the next letter will include a fully updated Charge of planned Changes.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

E3 is coming soon and as we get closer the less info and communication we see from SE regarding FFXIV. The letters from Yoshi-P lately where minimal, letting us know things are coming but no details at all of what is coming.

Clearly SE will have some stuff to announce in regards to FFXIV at this year's E3. But could it be a lot more then the PS3 release? Will SE be dropping a bomb that will save FFXIV?

Discuss...

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What makes you say that? Unless the game is on their roster of things to show at the upcoming E3 I highly doubt FFXIV will make any sort of presence there. IF XIV shows, Yoshi-P is going to have to be doing A LOT of convincing that the game is now ready to be played (and paid for). Considering how close we are to E3 and the current state of the game I just don't think he'll have much to go on to try and convince people that its ready. Who knows, maybe they have something planned, and I would love for it to be true, but I just don't see it.

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Short of the delay of Golden Week they have been pretty informative on what is going in with the game. Short of daily nay hourly updates I imagine many of you will not be satisfied. As for E3 I expect a minimal presence of FF14 at their booth as the game should be in better shape to talk about by the time TGS rolls around.

Don't hold your breath. I doubt there shall be anything FFXIV at E3 - it'll be more Deus Ex and Hitman. You might be in for a shout at Tokyo Game Show, I think SE will be more comfortable approaching any relaunch from the East rather than from the West - so to speak. Start where your fan base is biggest.

I don't think FFXIV will be shown at E3 and I don't think we will hear any thing about the PS3 version for a long time.

XIV wasn't on the lineup atm for E3.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Letters from the Producer happen on a set schedule and so far hes not really missed a day for them.
Also they havent' had much to update in them because all of the updates they've talked about were culminate in the next two updates and after they are done all the other back burner things can start full steam development again.

Also he stated the next letter will include a fully updated Charge of planned Changes.

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Still it is unthinkable that they are not keep some infos under wrap for this year's E3. Sure it is nice to lets us know what is going on with the game as we are the ones playing it but E3 is the best place to let the whole gaming industry know about the game's rebirth. The critics destroyed this game when it was release and it is well understandable for the game we were given.

Now with Yoshi-P in charge and all the new changes coming soon, E3 will be the perfect place for SE to let everyone else that turned their back on the game that they have learned from their mistakes and that the game will deserve a 2nd chance.

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Showing XIV at E3 only make them facepalm

E3 is happening before patch 1.18 goes live (if mid-june is still the predicted time) so unless they have kept some huge details to one side, I doubt XIV will be at E3.

Edit: TGS I could see though maybe

No E3 and/or TGS presence would be a hell of a missed opportunity.

An opportunity specifically to show those who have stopped playing six months ago how much the game has changed - it is these people that are causing 90% off the bad press and these events are one of the very few forums in which SE can ensure they get these peoples' attention.

Otherwise, you'll just get people continuing to pay out the game as unplayable even though their knowledge of the game state is severely outdated.

So I expect it to be there in at least SOME capacity, even if it's just part of a larger presentation and not even playable on the show floor.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

No E3 and/or TGS presence would be a hell of a missed opportunity.

An opportunity specifically to show those who have stopped playing six months ago how much the game has changed - it is these people that are causing 90% off the bad press and these events are one of the very few forums in which SE can ensure they get these peoples' attention.

Otherwise, you'll just get people continuing to pay out the game as unplayable even though their knowledge of the game state is severely outdated.

So I expect it to be there in at least SOME capacity, even if it's just part of a larger presentation and not even playable on the show floor.

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Showing the game right now or even with the small number of changes we know are coming is not enough. I think if they show it this soon it will keep people away.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

No E3 and/or TGS presence would be a hell of a missed opportunity.

An opportunity specifically to show those who have stopped playing six months ago how much the game has changed - it is these people that are causing 90% off the bad press and these events are one of the very few forums in which SE can ensure they get these peoples' attention.

Otherwise, you'll just get people continuing to pay out the game as unplayable even though their knowledge of the game state is severely outdated.

So I expect it to be there in at least SOME capacity, even if it's just part of a larger presentation and not even playable on the show floor.

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Thank you! That is exactly what i am thinking. A lot of people have quit the game a lot of people who wanted to buy the game didn't because of the bad reviews.

How do you guys think SE will reach out to these people? Sure FFXIV's current state is not at it's best yet but you guys have no idea of what is going at their studio, what kind of content is ready and testing.

Unless most of you think SE is satisfied with the handful of people still playing the game at this moment... E3 is a major opportunity to bring back those who left and those who were told to stay away. If they miss their chance then they are even more screwed then i thought... with time people will have forgotten FFXIV even exists and the current player base will not be enough to justify keep this game running no matter how much they change it.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

Showing the game right now or even with the small number of changes we know are coming is not enough. I think if they show it this soon it will keep people away.

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And how do you know what they have? Last time i checked they haven't been very generous with details lately. Only SE knows what they have now and what they can show and they tell you what they want you to know and no more.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

Showing the game right now or even with the small number of changes we know are coming is not enough. I think if they show it this soon it will keep people away.

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But if they don't at the very least provide a TEASER trailer of sorts, current negative perception will inevitably prevail. As far as the reviewers are concerned, they don't have much to lose at this point.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is something they've kept under wraps specifically for these events. If they can drop a bombshell of an unveiling among such poor expectations, things can only get better.

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Originally Posted by Astral

E3 is happening before patch 1.18 goes live (if mid-june is still the predicted time) so unless they have kept some huge details to one side, I doubt XIV will be at E3.

Edit: TGS I could see though maybe

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The fact that its not launching till after E3 might be because some of the senior staff of the game will be AT E3. They might not be on SE's official lineup but that doesn't mean they wont do interviews.

Blizzard never has booths at E3 because it does all its reveals at Blizzcon. But they always take interviews at E3.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

But if they don't at the very least provide a TEASER trailer of sorts, current negative perception will inevitably prevail. As far as the reviewers are concerned, they don't have much to lose at this point.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there is something they've kept under wraps specifically for these events. If they can drop a bombshell of an unveiling among such poor expectations, things can only get better.

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I can agree that if they have their major battle system changes, Dungeons, Companies, Hamlet defense, and a ton of story related content (like 10 times what we have now) then yes they could surprise at E3. But seeing as we are beta testing these changes for them it woulodn't make sense to advertise something that isn't finished.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

it woulodn't make sense to advertise something that isn't finished.

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Isn't that what everyone is doing at E3, Advertise something that isn't finished...?

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Originally Posted by Xzen

I can agree that if they have their major battle system changes, Dungeons, Companies, Hamlet defense, and a ton of story related content (like 10 times what we have now) then yes they could surprise at E3. But seeing as we are beta testing these changes for them it woulodn't make sense to advertise something that isn't finished.

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The first batch of battle system changes are due to be implemented next patch, as are the first of the raid dungeons and our new camps as quest hubs, which will likely include at least some quests to avoid them being useless.
Update is shortly after E3 - I'd say that's deliberate.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Clearly SE will have some stuff to announce in regards to FFXIV at this year's E3. But could it be a lot more then the PS3 release? Will SE be dropping a bomb that will save FFXIV?

Discuss...

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Clearly.

(Lol)

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Isn't that what everyone is doing at E3, Advertise something that isn't finished...?

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Well yeah. Even Indie developers advertise there. Remember Behemoth advertising Castle Crashers console version? That's kind of the purpose of conventions, to showcase demos and whatnot.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Well yeah. Even Indie developers advertise there. Remember Behemoth advertising Castle Crashers console version? That's kind of the purpose of conventions, to showcase demos and whatnot.

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Yeah that's what i thought.... yet people think it is not possible for SE to show unfinished stuff just because they were not told about it first....

The thing is SE really needs to wow people with the changes to the game and any new content as well as by volume of new content. They will have a lot of people in the media pushing against them if they can't completely overwhelm them with the changes the game has undergone and the direction it is going. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of customers they have lost.

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Originally Posted by Xzen

The thing is SE really needs to wow people with the changes to the game and any new content as well as by volume of new content. They will have a lot of people in the media pushing against them if they can't completely overwhelm them with the changes the game has undergone and the direction it is going. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands of customers they have lost.

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Well 8-9 months after the release of the game if they can't show anything then they have bigger problems then i thought. Keep in mind a mmo is constantly in development, before and after the team was changed... development never stopped.. it just changed directions with Yoshi-p's team but that doesn't mean they scrapped everything else the other team had been working on like Ishgard, new areas, story quest content etc....

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Well 8-9 months after the release of the game if they can't show anything then they have bigger problems then i thought. Keep in mind a mmo is constantly in development, before and after the team was changed... development never stopped.. it just changed directions with Yoshi-p's team but that doesn't mean they scrapped everything else the other team had been working on like Ishgard, new areas, story quest content etc....

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But have they done any work on them since the new direction? At the moment even if SE showed something FFXIV at E3 that had my friends asking me about the game again I would have to tell them nothing has changed. I'll let you know in a few months when they add it all in. That's no good for SE.

It is possible that we may be have a trailer or something like that, just to highlight the following scenario for example.
Talk a little game, even if not yet optimal, not to forget (for others) and keep an eye on it ...

If they show a trailer I would be happy ! No?

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Originally Posted by Catapult

No E3 and/or TGS presence would be a hell of a missed opportunity.

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NOTHING has changed, people are not going to be WOW'd by faster UI, or a market ward window, or that SP is static, or that ! shows on peoples names. They will just laugh and it will make XIV look worse.

SE wont show XIV at e3, it will be used for most likely Western Games such as dues ex and hitman

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Originally Posted by viion

NOTHING has changed, people are not going to be WOW'd by faster UI, or a market ward window, or that SP is static, or that ! shows on peoples names. They will just laugh and it will make XIV look worse.

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QFT - The UI speed is still sub-par, market wards aren't an AH, static SP is simply the norm in any MMO, etc..

FFXIV needs drastic changes (not a few tweaks and a couple of quests) before SE can go to E3 and say, "Look, we fixed this shit, come give us another shot."

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Originally Posted by viion

NOTHING has changed, people are not going to be WOW'd by faster UI, or a market ward window, or that SP is static, or that ! shows on peoples names. They will just laugh and it will make XIV look worse.

SE wont show XIV at e3, it will be used for most likely Western Games such as dues ex and hitman

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Like it was stated before, E3 is to advertise unreleased products. If they show FFXIV you really think they will show patch 1.17? You think they have nothing at all done in their studio?

If the industry was following your logic then we wouldn't see anything from anyone at E3 besides for games already released and then again what would be the point? E3 is to promote the future not to showcase what we already know.

I'd like them to have a presence at E3 to talk about the changes that are coming in the next few weeks and months, and it would be great to learn more about the PS3 release.

I think being able to show off some of the boss fights, and have a pre-cut trailer along with some of 1.18 running on PS3s would help to generate some interest.

I for one would like there to be a lot of news out of SE regarding their big projects, also more info on FFXIII - 2 :)

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Originally Posted by Delmontyb

I'd like them to have a presence at E3 to talk about the changes that are coming in the next few weeks and months, and it would be great to learn more about the PS3 release.

I think being able to show off some of the boss fights, and have a pre-cut trailer along with some of 1.18 running on PS3s would help to generate some interest.

I for one would like there to be a lot of news out of SE regarding their big projects, also more info on FFXIII - 2 :)

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If you were them that is exactly what you would do right? It's just common sense, yet i cannot understand why so many people think they will stop discussing and promoting the game until .. well... until these same people feel satisfied with the game oh and not to forget they need to be personally advised of any announcement first and by Yoshi-P himself.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Like it was stated before, E3 is to advertise unreleased products. If they show FFXIV you really think they will show patch 1.17? You think they have nothing at all done in their studio?

If the industry was following your logic then we wouldn't see anything from anyone at E3 besides for games already released and then again what would be the point? E3 is to promote the future not to showcase what we already know.

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What? lol

You realising what you're saying? A couple dungeons is not an unreleased product, you wont see call of duty map packs being shown there. And thats all dungeons is.

They're working hard on fixing the game and they dont exactly have something that could be anywhere near as good whats what TERA's May Patch trailer was. Its expansion pack quality.

I also doubt they've got a trailer that could match Aion 3.0 back when Aion was still 1.2 lol. And this is what the industry are looking for, XIV will just be shamed if it was shown at e3.

Also remember SE is a massive company with lots of studios, they've got much bigger games in store, Hitman is already gunna be there with the teaser already been shown, There is talk of the new Tomb Raider and there is most likely going to be playable versions of Dues Ex, thats 3 games already that have priority over XIV.

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Originally Posted by viion

What? lol

You realising what you're saying? A couple dungeons is not an unreleased product, you wont see call of duty map packs being shown there. And thats all dungeons is.

They're working hard on fixing the game and they dont exactly have something that could be anywhere near as good whats what TERA's May Patch trailer was. Its expansion pack quality.

I also doubt they've got a trailer that could match Aion 3.0 back when Aion was still 1.2 lol. And this is what the industry are looking for, XIV will just be shamed if it was shown at e3.

Also remember SE is a massive company with lots of studios, they've got much bigger games in store, Hitman is already gunna be there with the teaser already been shown, There is talk of the new Tomb Raider and there is most likely going to be playable versions of Dues Ex, thats 3 games already that have priority over XIV.

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Nice, i didn't know you were part of the Dev team. Since you know so much about what they have now and what is being worked on or not.. care to tell us the details of patch 1.18? I mean Yoshi-P's letters are coming too slow... so just give us a resume of what we can expect.

thanks, it's great to have someone on the inside....... right...

Again Guys, Just because they dont show FFXIV on a big screen doesn't mean it wont be there, or that staff members wont be there for interviews. Gamerescape is going to be at E3 and they already have confirmed interviews with lots of developers including SE.

I think their main focus will be on Tomb Raider, Deus Ex and Hitman aswell as FF XIII-2. There may be a brief update on FF XIV though, maybe finally a trailer using PS3 footage and a release date.

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Originally Posted by Onidemon

Nice, i didn't know you were part of the Dev team. Since you know so much about what they have now and what is being worked on or not.. care to tell us the details of patch 1.18? I mean Yoshi-P's letters are coming too slow... so just give us a resume of what we can expect.

thanks, it's great to have someone on the inside....... right...

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Ah sorry I cant, its top secret, but My friend the Community Rep will let you know next week :)

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Originally Posted by viion

Ah sorry I cant, its top secret, but My friend the Community Rep will let you know next week :)

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Troll fail. You're doing it wrong.

Hopefully they release something that looks like the tech demo.

There will be something at E3 I am fairly certain, it may not be a big section though by any means. Hopefully we will get a PS3 date set though.

I really really really doubt a ps3 release, it'd just be hilarious with all the critis "Last year at e3 you said the same! So maybe we'll see you next year? 2012, third years a charm!"

I think we will get interviews and thats it.