Re-work of SMN

Now I know a lot of people are happy with the summoner, but I for don't feel like I'm a summoner. Now this is my fire FF game so I don't know if I'm breaking lore, but the job feels more like a dark magic with diseases and virus then using actual summons. I feel like using spells that involve summons. Like for example, you have a 2.5sec cast that summons ifrit egi and does a punch ya know? or Garuda-egi comes out and does a blast of wind stuff like that. I understand people may not agree but like i said the summoner doesnt feel like a summoner just a regular caster dot class.

Yay. Another thread for this same topic. Seriously use the search function.

the summoner in FF11 was a bit like this, maintain a summons was expensive in terms of mana, you was summoning your pet, doing him attack, send it back before you are break in mana.

instead to ask to change the summoner, let's wait to see the skill that will be added with an increase of the level.
so far you have 5 skill as summoner, all the rest are arcanist spell. when you will have something like 10-15 skill you will surelly have more pet oriented capacity.

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Originally Posted by Maku

Yay. Another thread for this same topic. Seriously use the search function.

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Sorry if there are many of these, didn't really think about searching for other posts.

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Originally Posted by Maku

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and why can't someone create another thread for the same idea? what a stupid, pointless post.

So angry about summoner guys... Gonna create another thread on this so people can whine more!

All that SMN whine is getting really old...

Well has it occured to anyone that the FFXI mechanics of SMN may not work with FFXIV? FFXI smn were extremely weak, and died very fast (till their level up in Seekers expansion). Secondly FFXI SMN had a 1 minute cool down (able to reduce to 45 seconds with gear) for each bloodpact. Out side of the bloodpact, the Summoner was pathetic and so was the Avatar. And as for the Enkindle equivalent. FFXIV every 5 minutes, FFXI every 2 HOURS! Well now its 1 hour but still! 1 hour for an ability lol

Now in contrast to FFXIV, The player has much more of a role and can do something (yay), The Egi's yes don't look menacing, but are stronger, they also benefit the player (at least Garuda does anyway). Your able to increase your Egi's damage every 30-90 seconds via 2 cool downs. I mean the only complaint i have for Summoner is the 300 second cool down on Enkindle, and no burst damage. That could honestly be fixed by making Enkindle half the time and double the potency. Garuda Enkindle ability is 250 i believe, making that 500 with half the cool down would allow Summoners to cover burst attack every 2.5 minutes. Spur could also receive a drop in cool down from 90 seconds to say 60 seconds.

Otherwise i'm sorry but as a main Summoner in XI and a main Summoner in FFXIV, ill take XIV any day. The only thing XI summoner has over XIV summoner is the appearance cause they did look damn sexy. However barring the minor adjustments i feel are needed, Summoner is just fine as it is. Its like you guys NEVER played XI and SMN before. Go play that and main heal for all eternity or turn up to events just to 2hour Alex and sit on the sidelines. Seems like this is the path most want to take....

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Originally Posted by jkwak

and why can't someone create another thread for the same idea? what a stupid, pointless post.

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Actually most forums have rules about creating multiple threads for the same topic. And it is also generally bad "internet forum conduct" to do so. So not totally pointless.

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Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero

Well has it occured to anyone that the FFXI mechanics of SMN may not work with FFXIV? FFXI smn were extremely weak, and died very fast (till their level up in Seekers expansion). Secondly FFXI SMN had a 1 minute cool down (able to reduce to 45 seconds with gear) for each bloodpact. Out side of the bloodpact, the Summoner was pathetic and so was the Avatar. And as for the Enkindle equivalent. FFXIV every 5 minutes, FFXI every 2 HOURS! Well now its 1 hour but still! 1 hour for an ability lol

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they could change spells to work in tandem with pets

Ruin instant , 100 MP :

if ifrit : ifrit launch an attack f 150 fire attack potency
if titan : titan launch a 130 potency , threath added
if garuda:cast a spell of 150 potency

ruin II cast time 2s? (20s CD)

ifrit : 200 potency attack , stun
titan : 180 attack , high treath , slow for 20s
Garuda : 200 potency attack , dot for 20s

just examples.

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Originally Posted by KaosPrimeZero

I mean the only complaint i have for Summoner is the 300 second cool down on Enkindle, and no burst damage. That could honestly be fixed by making Enkindle half the time and double the potency. Garuda Enkindle ability is 250 i believe, making that 500 with half the cool down would allow Summoners to cover burst attack every 2.5 minutes. Spur could also receive a drop in cool down from 90 seconds to say 60 seconds.

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This... I'm all for this. Hell I'd go for more potency and the SAME cooldown. I think I hit for 600-700ish with Ifrit....to have to wait 300s for that seems silly. Then again, considering that we have 55-65 DPS going on, plus the only class that is capable of attacking 24/7 if played right...yeah we don't have much to complain about

Summoner doesn't need a rework, FFXIV Summoner ≠ FFT Summoner or any other summoner they chose a different design for the class people just need to get over it.

That having been said:
Pet controls, AI and responsiveness needs a lot of work. All abilities should have an auto cast on/off toggle so we can pick what skills they use automatically. Stances should not be wiped the moment we tell our pets do do something, if I put my pet in stand and order it to attack a mob it should attack that mob then come back to me in stand stance once the mob is dead. When I hit a pet ability it should fire off immediatly e.g. with Ifrit his stun is near useless as it goes off after 3+ seconds making it pointless as an on demand stun.

Tri-Disaster is for the most part unused due to its high cast time, low dmg and a bind that breaks on dmg. Apart from some intensly niche uses (Garuda feathers) this ability has practically no use 99% of the time.

Spur should be merged with Rouse at a 60 sec cd.

Enkindle could be a 15 sec cd for the damage it does.

I have a feeling that Tri-Disaster is going to be huge in PvP if used right.

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Originally Posted by Lycia

I have a feeling that Tri-Disaster is going to be huge in PvP if used right.

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PVP will use a different skillset :P

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

PVP will use a different skillset :P

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Probably not entirely. There will be pvp specific abilities that you gain. And I think I remember them saying part of pvp progression is the abilities.

But we have no idea if it will just be a few abilities that can really alter our playstyles or if we get all new stuff.

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I have a feeling that Tri-Disaster is going to be huge in PvP if used right.

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With that cast time? I sincerely doubt it.

Swiftcast-Tri-Disaster instant bind to range out and dot up in 1 on 1 situation....escape in a second situation.