Healer Aggro (CNJ)

Im only 28 and just did the thousand maws of toto-rak, and i found myself getting aggro on the adds and the bosses.

The tank kept asking me what i was doing.

I wait for them to get hurt enough so i do not overheal to much, i do not start healing as the fight starts. I do not spam medica (unless its needed). It is mainly me using cure.

It is just not this dungeon but most.

Am i doing something wrong?

It sounds like the tanks you've run with have no idea how to hold aggro. Generating aggro on mobs isn't just flash once and done. There's a lot more to it. As a CNJ, I had no problems healing without pulling mobs off tanks as long as I was conservative with my heals. If you that you're pulling mobs off the tank, ask him to use flash a bit more liberally and also to rotate through mobs instead of focussing on only the main one. Tanks need to be constantly rotating through mobs to ensure that they're top aggro of all of them.

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Originally Posted by SulwynCaliope

It sounds like the tanks you've run with have no idea how to hold aggro. Generating aggro on mobs isn't just flash once and done. There's a lot more to it. As a CNJ, I had no problems healing without pulling mobs off tanks as long as I was conservative with my heals. If you that you're pulling mobs off the tank, ask him to use flash a bit more liberally and also to rotate through mobs instead of focussing on only the main one. Tanks need to be constantly rotating through mobs to ensure that they're top aggro of all of them.

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ty for your time :)

If it's a marauder tank wait til you see 1-2 overpowers. If it's a glad tank then their aoe threat (at that lvl) might be a bit shaky. Tanks need to rotate thru mobs, but if you do get threat run to the tank (watch aoe) and not away.

You shouldn't really be pulling aggro that easily with a few cures. I've been on runs where it feels like everything i do pulls something. It's just sometimes more to do with inexperience of the Tank than yourself. Of course if you are not timing your heals or you have regen up when adds spawn the Tank can't be blamed for that. But i've seen a few who think that using a provoke at the start then just DPS'ing is enough to hold aggro from everything. The difference between a poor to average Tank and a good Tank is that the good one can tell instantly they have lost aggro and you have to go out your way to pull from them with a chain of heavy heals.

I've had this where the tank misses the linked mobs with the initial attack. He thinks he has hate because all the mobs are on him but as soon as I hit the first cure they all make a b-line for me as he hasn't actually hit them.

I haven't levelled a tank yet so I'm in no position to judge but I guess a good old Flash-spam will solve the problem??

Yeah, I've been levelling purely through dungeons and the hunting log from 15 to 41 as a Paladin. Pulling with Shield Lob and then using Flash two times as the other enemies in the pack approach is more than enough to establish initial enmity on the pull. Of course, you'll then have to regularly rotate between targets with your usual Fast Blade > Savage Blade > Rage of Halone combo, or spam Flash until you run out of mana. A technique that usually has served me well has been to first do a full combo on the primary target, then Fast Blading it again, Savage Blading the secondary target, Rage of Halone on the primary, then repeat for the third target. Of course, it also depends on how good/bursty the DPS is. Sometimes I can afford immediately building single-target enmity on secondary targets, other times I'll have to wait until I've gotten a good lead or until the first target is almost dead. Need to adapt to the rhythm of the group, as cheesy as it sounds. :p

That said, Paladin aggro is kind of depressing until lvl26 where you finally get Rage of Halone. We also don't get our actual tanking stance until lvl40, as well.

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Originally Posted by Raminax

That said, Paladin aggro is kind of depressing until lvl26 where you finally get Rage of Halone. We also don't get our actual tanking stance until lvl40, as well.

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i did not know that, i appreciate you taking your time to tell me


And to the others, thanks. I was feeling fail. but i feel better. the tank was blaming me. And yes he was a marauder

Blame that tankers, and watch your aggro bar

Be proactive and cast repose (if you have it or something like it, I don't know all the classes yet). I keep the aggro bar near my avatar on the screen, and if I see orange/red aggro, I drop repose on that mob. Ideally, your team will leave mobs alone that are not being addressed by the tank. I have found aggro to be less problematic at 35 than I did beforehand.

If you've already made sure the tank grabbed all the mobs then there isn't really much you can do as long as you weren't over healing. The tank might be doing his best as well but you're just out pacing him and the DPS. At that level range, other DoW DPS' shouldn't have any problems sub tanking the adds or kite them around a bit. Always check the enmity bars to gauge the situation and adapt.

Sounds like bad tank. As a 25 glad have done all dungeons up to my level lost Argo to healer 1 time and it was when adds poped right as he was healing me before I could flash.

If your tank has crappy gear they will not be able to hold hate, so that might have been the case. If their armor is crap you have to heal them more and pull hate, and if their weapon is crap they will do low damage and not get the enmity needed to keep hate off you.

Also not sure if this has been mentioned but overhealing generates a great deal more threat than normal so be sure to watch out for it.

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Originally Posted by slakyak

I've had this where the tank misses the linked mobs with the initial attack. He thinks he has hate because all the mobs are on him but as soon as I hit the first cure they all make a b-line for me as he hasn't actually hit them.

I haven't levelled a tank yet so I'm in no position to judge but I guess a good old Flash-spam will solve the problem??

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Yes gld get a quest at lvl 10 where the npc tells them to spam FLASH so that the mobs will stay on the gld while the npc heals.
After I did this quest I went into conniption fits reliving all the s**t tanks I healed.

Hi,

I have been trying something new recently that kind of worked for me since I was having adds jumping on me in Castrum bosses / and it allows me to keep protecting the tank while in Cleric Stance in DG without having to switch back too often:

I keep Stoneskin on tanks as often as I can (10% / 18% damage absorption depending on level), which on a 5000 life tank is quite efficient event if mana costly. I do this because I suppose that a buff would generate less hate than a heal which seems to be the case since I haven't had hate issues since I do that and all my DG and castrum farming go smoothly since then. It also avoids over healing (thus ++ hate) and save a Regen mana cost.

This is not applicable to all fights, but it works a lot on DG rushes (allows me to DPS more without switching between stances that much) and save me from having adds popping on me when the Offtank is not aware. I even had bad tanks with bad hate generation, still worked for me^^

I found a post about hate generation, no clue if accurate but it makes sense to me, see below

" Shields only give buff threat (~70 threat), whereas heals give 50% of the total heal as threat.
Medica for 600 each = 300x8 = 2400
Medica II for 400 each = 200x8 + 70x8 buff + 100x8 per tick regen = 2960
You can see how WHM AoE gets ridiculous threat when used, but it does also correspond to the usefulness of the
heal. The threat from medica/medica II comes out to 4/5 300dmg/double threat attacks by a tank in threat (~5seconds of attacks?), which is why it pulls aggro so quick. Not to mention that the regen will generate another 800
threat every 3 seconds, which is getting close to the tanks threat generation as it is."

I am not an expert in all this, just trying to enjoy the game and keep everyone alive I hope this can help and please comment on this stoneskin thing^^
Cheers
KE