Poll: Yea This Again...

Do you want an AH?

(i.e., all features aside, would you rather purchase your needs at a counter, or run and port from ward to ward? Assume everything you can do in an AH you can do in a MW - things such as seeking repairs, etc.)

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NO

..and in light of new feedback, please explain why or why not, because apparently I`m not allowed to respond to peoples`responses unless I have this as a disclaimer. I hope this pleases everyone now. And P.S. your opinion is yours, please don`t take it personally if I disagree with it and just know that I am only talking for the sake of giving and taking ideas and making conversation. I in no way, shape or form intend you harm you, your family or your egos in this thread and if you have any concerns please don`t share them with me.

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You have to be more specific. Do you want item searching? Do you want purchasing from a single AH throughout an entire world? Do you want items instantly sent to your inventory? There are multiple things that make an AH. With your vague question, I could argue we already have an AH.

Nope. Because all the features that people are asking for from an AH can be implemented into the Market Wards without making it an auction house.

Its pretty much accepted that no one actually wants Blind or Timed Bidding so calling it an auction house because it has other shared features is irrelevant. Just implement those features, but do not add bidding.

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Originally Posted by Maxi_Irving

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You have to be more specific. Do you want item searching? Do you want purchasing from a single AH throughout an entire world? Do you want items instantly sent to your inventory? There are multiple things that make an AH. With your vague question, I could argue we already have an AH.

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Do you want an AH in the typical definition of what an AH has been for the last decade of MMOs, if you want to change that definition that is your problem not mine.

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Originally Posted by Cairdeas

Nope. Because all the features that people are asking for from an AH can be implemented into the Market Wards without making it an auction house.

Its pretty much accepted that no one actually wants Blind or Timed Bidding so calling it an auction house because it has other shared features is irrelevant. Just implement those features, but do not add bidding.

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Ok lemme reword the question then...

I'm not changing the definition. My point is that theres multiple things that make an AH. FFXI AH's is nothing like say, Aion's AH. There single similarity is the fact that you can directly search for items that you want, which we can already do in XIV. So what is it that YOU want?

Yes and No.

I want something as convenient as the AH with something that can be linked together to eliminate the need to be at UD to get anything, not having to run around to get while I want, and showing HQs. However I want something like the Wards since I like the UI/price lisitng. Personally, best of both worlds.

Here's an idea I picthed a few months back: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...et-system-idea

NO

Thank you.

Also NO.

The wards are good, do what we need and take the same time as FFXI's AH.

Yes for AH

NO

wards fine

Ok for those of you saying NO, how do you think they solve the influx of players that is bound to come in when the game re-launches? just curious.

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Originally Posted by SirEdeonX

Also NO.

The wards are good, do what we need and take the same time as FFXI's AH.

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I think this is the biggest misconception about the Wards VS AH thing. Why do people assume they'll just flat out copy/paste the AH exactly like it was form XI?

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Originally Posted by Mack

Ok for those of you saying NO, how do you think they solve the influx of players that is bound to come in when the game re-launches? just curious.

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What does that have to do with an AH? Can new players not navigate the wards like anyone else?

I think he might be talking about retainer congestion in the wards. It used to get pretty bad. But then again, everyone was trying to stuff their retainers into a single ward.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I think he might be talking about retainer congestion in the wards. It used to get pretty bad. But then again, everyone was trying to stuff their retainers into a single ward.

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Well, by the time they actually relaunch the game, I am assuming he means by PS3 Launch, we should have Ishgard by then in which case we would have a whole new city full of wards. Most likely the higher level gear will populate these wards while the new wave of players will populate the starter city wards.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

What does that have to do with an AH? Can new players not navigate the wards like anyone else?

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I meant with an influx of new players comes an influx of retainers. Right now with the population being so low, if the wards were to stay they would need to increase their capacity big time to accommodate to the new players, meaning either more wards or much longer wards, meaning everything becomes even more tedious. I like the wards, but they are the farthest thing from ideal and imo an "AH counter" with all the same functionality of a ward is much better.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Well, by the time they actually relaunch the game, I am assuming he means by PS3 Launch, we should have Ishgard by then in which case we would have a whole new city full of wards. Most likely the higher level gear will populate these wards while the new wave of players will populate the starter city wards.

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Right and what about SE's initial plan of allowing each player to have up to 7 retainers (at an extra charge)? the wards will fill up must faster than you think.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Well, by the time they actually relaunch the game, I am assuming he means by PS3 Launch, we should have Ishgard by then in which case we would have a whole new city full of wards. Most likely the higher level gear will populate these wards while the new wave of players will populate the starter city wards.

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And then UD would be bare like Grid/Limsa, so that'd be the only place to get stuff.

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Originally Posted by DurtiMonkeyToe

Well, by the time they actually relaunch the game, I am assuming he means by PS3 Launch, we should have Ishgard by then in which case we would have a whole new city full of wards. Most likely the higher level gear will populate these wards while the new wave of players will populate the starter city wards.

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Not to mention that the wards work differently than they did at the time. Everyone tossed their retainer into the first ward only because it was the first one buyers would jump into. There was no search, no specific designation for each ward, and no tax reduction for correctly placing your items in said designations.

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Originally Posted by Mack

Right and what about SE's initial plan of allowing each player to have up to 7 retainers (at an extra charge)? the wards will fill up must faster than you think.

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3-4 cities to fill them up with

not everyone needs to put theirs in uldah like they do now

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Not to mention that the wards work differently than they did at the time. Everyone tossed their retainer into the first ward only because it was the first one buyers would jump into. There was no search, no specific designation for each ward, and no tax reduction for correctly placing your items in said designations.

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So then what is the point of all the hassle of placing your retainer in the "correct" ward (although there is no correct word really considering most people sell different kinds of stuff) and the hassle of running from ward to ward to ward when you can have the exact same functionality at an "AH counter". Don't think of the AH is the same sense it was in FFXI, think of it as the market wards bundled up. There isn't one good excuse for the wards and never has been. The only extra thing about them is impulse shopping but that alone doesn't warrant having them over a counter with more convenience. I'm sure they can find some better use for your retainers.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

3-4 cities to fill them up with

not everyone needs to put theirs in uldah like they do now

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But would you want to waste anima just to check up on a retainer?

I say NO to FFXI style AH.

However..

A REAL Auction House (eg FFVI, FFIX) where players could put elite items up for bidding would be a fantastic addition. Have an auctioneer as well~

BTW, the OP should use a dev tag for this thread.

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

But would you want to waste anima just to check up on a retainer?

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we may have airships by then to not have to worry about that

but the fact remains, there will be several cities to fill up

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

3-4 cities to fill them up with

not everyone needs to put theirs in uldah like they do now

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When the game was released there was about 3000-4000 players per server. Before they removed the population counter that number dropped to about 500-700 per server. I'd assume its around 300-400 now and the Uldah wards are packed with each person allowed a max of 2 retainers. Say they allow 7 retainers, that makes it a possible 2800 retainers. Say at 2 retainers a person when the game gets a boost of players (assuming back up to 4000 a server) that makes it 8000 retainers. You can hardly fit a 1000 retainers in the wards as is. Moreover, if we`re speaking idealy, there will be about 10K-20K a server much like FFXI had, that is a lot of retainers.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

we may have airships by then to not have to worry about that

but the fact remains, there will be several cities to fill up

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Which then would probably result in having to jump from city to city to find equipment.

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Originally Posted by Mack

When the game was released there was about 3000-4000 players per server. Before they removed the population counter that number dropped to about 500-700 per server. I'd assume its around 300-400 now and the Uldah wards are packed with each person allowed a max of 2 retainers. Say they allow 7 retainers, that makes it a possible 2800 retainers. Say at 2 retainers a person when the game gets a boost of players (assuming back up to 4000 a server) that makes it 8000 retainers. You can hardly fit a 1000 retainers in the wards as is. Moreover, if we`re speaking idealy, there will be about 10K-20K a server much like FFXI had, that is a lot of retainers.

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you can fit somewhere around 200 retainers per ward right now(perhaps more, im not counting)
now do that for every ward in each city

thats how many it can support "now"

we arent talking 1 city here, we are talking all of them when it happens

To me, this debate really boils down to one thing. Instantly getting your junk vs. having to zone to get your junk. The current incarnation of wards function just like a traditional AH, in my opinion, albeit not as fast as some might prefer and there still needs to be some tweaks. (like differentiating HQ items)

I'll take an AH any day over this convoluted nonsense.

I want a counter, screw the wards.

Here is one good thing about the wards over a list type AH: I can actually see what an item looks like before I buy it. I realize not everyone cares about something like that but figured I'd throw it out there.

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Originally Posted by Mack

So then what is the point of all the hassle of placing your retainer in the "correct" ward (although there is no correct word really considering most people sell different kinds of stuff) and the hassle of running from ward to ward to ward when you can have the exact same functionality at an "AH counter". Don't think of the AH is the same sense it was in FFXI, think of it as the market wards bundled up. There isn't one good excuse for the wards and never has been. The only extra thing about them is impulse shopping but that alone doesn't warrant having them over a counter with more convenience. I'm sure they can find some better use for your retainers.

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I don't find any part of the wards system to be a hassle. Also I think the wards are much nicer and more pleasant than walking up to a counter for extra convenience. If I wanted extra convenience I would bot. Just because something takes a little time doesn't mean its worthless. It would also be more convenient if we all started as r50.

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There isn't one good excuse for the wards and never has been

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This is just a blindly ridiculous self serving statement, but I love how you follow it up with one good excuse.

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The only extra thing about them is impulse shopping

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NO to AH

update: another good excuse for wards:

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Here is one good thing about the wards over a list type AH: I can actually see what an item looks like before I buy it. I realize not everyone cares about something like that but figured I'd throw it out there.

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Hunting for likes it seems.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

Hunting for likes it seems.

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LOL not really I`m just making conversation but I know you from ZAM and I know how blind you are for everything FFXIV, you`ve been defending the game since Alpha so don`t really care what you have to say.

Still not one good excuse in favor of the market wards other than impulse shopping. Forget convenience then, if we`re talking ideal this is nowhere near ideal. Humanity is built on ideal. Everything we make we make efficiently because its ideal, the only thing that holds us back is the economy so our efficiency is only held back by the economy. Since the ÀH counter Vs. Wards isn`t affected by RL economy, and wouldn`t affect in game economy if `done properly, there is no reason not to go for the most efficient method.

I used to be anti-wards, until they made it so easily accessable and tbh I prefer it. But I could care less.

I would like an Auction in the traditional sense, you put an item up and people BID on it not buy, and whoever bids most when time is up gets it, could be good for rare items. (think FF9 auction)

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Originally Posted by ObeiKinstar

I don't find any part of the wards system to be a hassle. Also I think the wards are much nicer and more pleasant than walking up to a counter for extra convenience. If I wanted extra convenience I would bot. Just because something takes a little time doesn't mean its worthless. It would also be more convenient if we all started as r50.

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When convenience doesn`t break the rules it should be welcome, I don`t get your logic.

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Originally Posted by ObeiKinstar

This is just a blindly ridiculous self serving statement, but I love how you follow it up with one good excuse.

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Funny how you never gave a good excuse in favor. When I`m the one making the argument and I`m the only who has given any good excuse for the wards, you have nothing.

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Originally Posted by ObeiKinstar

NO to AH

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Just no for the sake of no I guess. No, why exactly.