soooo this Legacy servers

this is not a rant, this is not a "i want this now" arguement, this is just some observations made by a legacy player since launch of 1.0( that join date to the left, thats when i first joined the forums ).

when did legacy players became a minority now in legacy servers?
Have anyone else notice the mindset of how legacy players play differs to how non legacy players play?
i remember when SE added new servers "dont let legacy player join non legacy players!!!". Was it because they are afraid of legacy elitism/rich/ or all fifties?
Look at it now, your in a legacy server, and the server is tainted with people with all this kind of attitude that rarely existed in 1.0. Correct me if im wrong with any of my observation, by all means.

But if there are people going to agree, would it be nice if SE made a dedicated "true legacy" server only? where only players with legacy conditions can be at?

i would correct myself this one though, i said rarely existed in 1.0 based on my observation of how random parties back then to now, or so you all like to call PUGS. one thing i could say as a reason to why this is happening is back then there was not alot of players to do things with compare to now where "this party sucks, /leave, next party"

or like back then "yes, finally found a group, must work hard to win this" to compare now "man...if this doesnt win ill leave after the 3rd run"

Did you write this in a hurry? might want to go back and re-write a bit of it. xD

lol, i may have, im just too caffinated this morning

This is what SE wanted and no I don't recall any of this in 1.0.

did you ever experience that you feel like you have partied with everyone in the server already? like either be such epic events that you happen to be a Armorer you stumble upon a leather worker, you worked together to make a high quality tricorn. Or maybe you stumbled upon that same guy and help his linkshell out of kindness and people began forming a "community". it got nice to a point you know where if someone ask you, "you know this person?" and you will say "yes, as a matter of fact you can find him in this linkshell/group "

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Originally Posted by Mitty_Tsuyoi

did you ever experience that you feel like you have partied with everyone in the server already? like either be such epic events that you happen to be a Armorer you stumble upon a leather worker, you worked together to make a high quality tricorn. Or maybe you stumbled upon that same guy and help his linkshell out of kindness and people began forming a "community". it got nice to a point you know where if someone ask you, "you know this person?" and you will say "yes, as a matter of fact you can find him in this linkshell/group "

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It goes both ways.

As a new player in 2.0 on a legacy server I feel like everything I have accomplished has been marginalized to a huge degree. I've got 3 crafting classes at 50 and almost all the 15 abilities but this doesn't make me a good crafter here. Quite the contrary, I pale in comparison to the huge number of people who were 50 with every DoH class before 2.0 even went live.


Also it certainly doesn't help having a significant portion of the server look at me like a diseased leper because I'm not legacy.

Well, there's no real way of knowing the ratio of legacy to non-legacy on legacy servers. I will agree the community was 10x nicer before but that's because a) the server was more close-knit due to the smaller population and no inter-server functionality and b) reputation mattered; if you were crap, or worse, a dick you would find fewer people willing to do stuff with you.

Yoshi P wanted a modern mmo? Well that comes with modern mmo attitudes and communities.

i certainly believe you Nenin, which is why i am kinda selective with the friends i play with, my fc is a social FC. I dont like people who look down on other people, but i do help those who work hard. I am against Botting ( and if i found out your botting, i wont bother helping you anymore ). At launch, when new DoH were asking for helps, i would give as much help i can give with out giving them the sense of "carrying", like give them thought of were to farm matts, or just give them free full stack of Aldgoat leather to grind their LTW.

just last night, cause im just bored, after mining in in coartheas, i saw this chimera party shout looking for a whm to make full party. I just helped them just because of no reasons. There are alot of good new players as well out there, but some of those good players are being influence by bad players which make them think "its a norm" to be bad.

what i believe is that you just help people and be kind and hope they be nice to other people as well. I cannot force them to always be nice and volunteer because just like me, we have personal goals ( like finishing this class 50 quest for culinarian that i have been pushing aside >.> ). everytime i help someone i do my best to say "enjoy the game guys" or when i do Pugs with new people i would defenetly try to be "chatty" as an ice breaker to give everyone a sense of openess that they can give their inputs onto the game itself.

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Originally Posted by Nenin

It goes both ways.

As a new player in 2.0 on a legacy server I feel like everything I have accomplished has been marginalized to a huge degree. I've got 3 crafting classes at 50 and almost all the 15 abilities but this doesn't make me a good crafter here. Quite the contrary, I pale in comparison to the huge number of people who were 50 with every DoH class before 2.0 even went live.


Also it certainly doesn't help having a significant portion of the server look at me like a diseased leper because I'm not legacy.

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You're way ahead of me, and I've been playing since 1.0 release ;)

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Originally Posted by Aegis

Well, there's no real way of knowing the ratio of legacy to non-legacy on legacy servers. I will agree the community was 10x nicer before but that's because a) the server was more close-knit due to the smaller population and no inter-server functionality and b) reputation mattered; if you were crap, or worse, a dick you would find fewer people willing to do stuff with you.

Yoshi P wanted a modern mmo? Well that comes with modern mmo attitudes and communities.

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yeah, its a very sad fact. I knew this was coming when i heard how many players were playing open beta. But then again, all i can do is be patient and hope that the baddies would leave like in 1.0 did.

if anyone who replies here is in a RP server, how bad are the attitude of the players there? ( atleast act like your player thats bad, lol )

Hey mitty!! miss u man. couldnt agree with you more on those things. 1.xx community ftw imo. douchebags exist in DF and they only live in DF. lol

OMG permy, you got a hair cut...wait, you got a DNA cut. lols, yeah, i miss masamune, i heard from lexy and Maki that theres alot of server issue atm in masamune. yeah, i really miss the good ol' days, now red and zue are taking it a bit slow on the game. the whole HE linkshell are still together and tight. we got some new recruits ( chi's idea ) and now trying to push them up high to the end game status. ( also Chi's idea )

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Not everyone with maxed crafts is legacy, not every legacy has max crafts etc. I am 100% positive in saying that the majority of people from 1.0 do not compare epeen. All this new elitism didnt start until 2.0.

Summary: Its all in your head. You remind me of that vain song. You think people are judging you when they arent.

Please play the game chillax and enjoy. :)

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Originally Posted by LoLo

Not everyone with maxed crafts is legacy, not every legacy has max crafts etc. I am 100% positive in saying that the majority of people from 1.0 do not compare epeen. All this new elitism didnt start until 2.0.

Summary: Its all in your head. You remind me of that vain song. You think people are judging you when they arent.

Please play the game chillax and enjoy. :)

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couldn't agree more, i dont care what people think of me, not then in 1.0, not now. Also, ive already made DoH Specific Gears for my friends in the FC using the matts i farmed, and i still have not yet come around to make my own ( ^^;), Not all legacy players with all fifties are good with HQing, ( i just happen to enjoy the pain of that probability, and the belief of facing south east for that random number generator to win my favor )

I only have three classes at 50, the Gridanian classes. I guess you could say I was 'RPing before it was RPing' in that I refuse to make a decent go at any of the non-Gridanian classes, be it War, Magic, Land or Hand. I was putting off on the Land and Hand till 2.0, though, as the systems in 1.0 for those were terrible. So, that said, I've been using the story quests to level botany and slowly working up carpentry and leatherworking. And I'm a 1.0 player. Heck, I had 300,000 gil at the end of 1.0. With the 2.0 tax on all Legacy players that netted me a whopping 30,000 gil into release. I only just got up to 400,000 recently!

But enough about me. I'm nice and helpful whenever I can be as long as I know anything on the matter at hand. Being a veteran of XI I remember what a good community could be like and I'd like to see this come such a community. Sadly, as much as this does generalize, all those players we're inheriting from the multitude of the more contemporary MMOs is instilling a taint. You see it every time someone argues about people needing to be super geared just to run an instance that everyone doing said content needs to complete. Or the people in the dungeons complaining about wiping at the top of the keyboard's 'lungs'. It's terrible and confusing.

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Sadly, as much as this does generalize, all those players we're inheriting from the multitude of the more contemporary MMOs is instilling a taint. You see it every time someone argues about people needing to be super geared just to run an instance that everyone doing said content needs to complete. Or the people in the dungeons complaining about wiping at the top of the keyboard's 'lungs'. It's terrible and confusing.

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agreed soo much, hell, we beat titan with less than 50% DL gears, it was mixed hoplite, DL, and crafted gears ( i said crafted, militia gears + melds because it was fun to make gears you are proud off, because i wanted to stack Crit rates)