Jerk in Praetorium - Can be reported?

Ran Praetorium-- I'm a tank in full DL+relic+some BC gear, and felt like doing a slow Praetorium run to re-watch the cutscenes and help some newbies out. Ended up in a run with another new tank, so showed him the ropes and we both watched cutscenes.

Obviously the group was absolutely pissed both tanks were watching cutscenes and talking a lot, and one of them, some Kirei Okami from the Lamia world, kept throwing insults around, quite a bit in fact.

Is it possible to report these people, and will something be done?

Yes. Hit escape go to help desk and report harassment. Put the name of player, date, time, location (instance or in world). SE's banhammer is the fiercest out of any MMO I've ever played (since UO). I know people banned in XI just for saying one curse word not directed at anyone in particular. If someone is being abusive, report them, there will be swift justice.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

Yes. Hit escape go to help desk and report harassment. Put the name of player, date, time, location (instance or in world). SE's banhammer is the fiercest out of any MMO I've ever played (since UO). I know people banned in XI just for saying one curse word not directed at anyone in particular. If someone is being abusive, report them, there will be swift justice.

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Alright, thanks. I knew how to report, I just wondered if it was even worth bothering.

I usually call people out for being bullies and being unwilling to help newer players. They either get worse and others start calling them out, or they say they didn't realize the person was new and try to get along. Surprisingly, usually they calm down.

I did have one guy go afk and the rest of the party was furious at his behavior. But honestly, the rest of the dungeon went more smoothly after he quit "helping" us. The party couldn't argue that fact either.

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Originally Posted by PetiteMalFleur

I usually call people out for being bullies and being unwilling to help newer players. They either get worse and others start calling them out, or they say they didn't realize the person was new and try to get along. Surprisingly, usually they calm down.

I did have one guy go afk and the rest of the party was furious at his behavior. But honestly, the rest of the dungeon went more smoothly after he quit "helping" us. The party couldn't argue that fact either.

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Unfortunately, Kirei Okami from the Lamia world is not like that. When I told him to leave the new guy alone, he just started calling us suck nerds, kept insulting everyone, demanded people hurry up, pulled without the tanks, etc.

Hilariously, he kept failing to dodge the Ultima Weapon's lasers.

Creating a witch hunt here isn't really the best way to go about things it just makes you seem like a jerk. It isn't really your duty to name and shame everyone you don't like. Block them or report them if their behavior is that serious. Or if they want to mess around just don't heal them and let them sit on the floor doing nothing. But coming on here like "oh blah blah from blah blah sucks you should hate them" is really bad.

That's my favorite part of being a tank. If someone rushes ahead while I'm watching a cutscene, I will sit there and watch them die. Wiping really doesn't bother me that much. If they insist on bitching because I watch cutscenes, I have no problem dropping the group either.

If you want to speed run through a dungeon, queue as a premade. If you queue for Duty Finder solo and are expecting or demanding a speed run, then you're an idiot.

I haven't once said people should be hating and trying to hunt them down. I stated names in the unlikely event someone else has had the misfortune of running into them, or if others might want to beware. That's all.

Under normal circumstances, being a jerk like this would get you a bad reputation on your home server. Before cross-server dungeoning was a thing, you really couldn't afford to be a total asshole, because people would remember you, and they would blacklist you. Those were the good days, when people minded what they did and said.

But cross-server, there are no consequences to being a negative part of the community so people let themselves go much easier.

I find no harm in naming names of people who make the game toxic and unwelcoming to new players who are freshly leveled up. They should be ashamed, frankly.

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Originally Posted by rahvinus

That's my favorite part of being a tank. If someone rushes ahead while I'm watching a cutscene, I will sit there and watch them die. Wiping really doesn't bother me that much. If they insist on bitching because I watch cutscenes, I have no problem dropping the group either.

If you want to speed run through a dungeon, queue as a premade. If you queue for Duty Finder solo and are expecting or demanding a speed run, then you're an idiot.

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Pretty much, yes.

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Originally Posted by rahvinus

That's my favorite part of being a tank. If someone rushes ahead while I'm watching a cutscene, I will sit there and watch them die. Wiping really doesn't bother me that much. If they insist on bitching because I watch cutscenes, I have no problem dropping the group either.

If you want to speed run through a dungeon, queue as a premade. If you queue for Duty Finder solo and are expecting or demanding a speed run, then you're an idiot.

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i went back and started leveling a dps class to try something new and queued up for satasha.

the medic i got tried to be tank and dps too. kept pulling adds, and then trying to kill them instead of healing tank.

he ended up pulling everything in the room right before the dungeon boss.

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Originally Posted by BlossomRose

I find no harm in naming names of people who make the game toxic and unwelcoming to new players who are freshly leveled up. They should be ashamed, frankly.

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Throwing names out IS toxic behavior. You are simply trying to call somebody out and give somebody a bad reputation over personal issues. There is no need to encourage that kind of negativity and gang mentality. If you have a problem with somebody and talking doesn't solve it then either ignore them or for serious issues report them. Telling others who they should and should not play with is not anybodies call to make.

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Originally Posted by BlossomRose

I haven't once said people should be hating and trying to hunt them down. I stated names in the unlikely event someone else has had the misfortune of running into them, or if others might want to beware. That's all.

Under normal circumstances, being a jerk like this would get you a bad reputation on your home server. Before cross-server dungeoning was a thing, you really couldn't afford to be a total asshole, because people would remember you, and they would blacklist you. Those were the good days, when people minded what they did and said.

But cross-server, there are no consequences to being a negative part of the community so people let themselves go much easier.

I find no harm in naming names of people who make the game toxic and unwelcoming to new players who are freshly leveled up. They should be ashamed, frankly.

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That is why we need account based (not character) friendlist and blacklists, that are also crossserver.

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Originally Posted by saber_alter

i went back and started leveling a dps class to try something new and queued up for satasha.

the medic i got tried to be tank and dps too. kept pulling adds, and then trying to kill them instead of healing tank.

he ended up pulling everything in the room right before the dungeon boss.

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And when you tell them to not pull, their answer is "lol its low level dungeon, get over it".
After all that said i usualy write: "you pull you tank" and let them die repeatedly.

Got a BLM that started pulling Ifrit HM because people wasn't full DL. We were in a normal run on Duty Finder.
He didn't want to have the 15 mins penalty and wanted to piss everyone off to make them leave.
We tried and he got killed at the first aoe because he was standing in front of the boss spamming Fire.
Hopefully I won't get to see him again.

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Originally Posted by BlossomRose

Under normal circumstances, being a jerk like this would get you a bad reputation on your home server. Before cross-server dungeoning was a thing, you really couldn't afford to be a total asshole, because people would remember you, and they would blacklist you. Those were the good days, when people minded what they did and said.

But cross-server, there are no consequences to being a negative part of the community so people let themselves go much easier.

I find no harm in naming names of people who make the game toxic and unwelcoming to new players who are freshly leveled up. They should be ashamed, frankly.

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Totally agree. SE should also give us cross-server black list function. Vote-kick might easily be abused by group of people but black list is just a personal option to not parties up with someone you found unpleasant.

For cutscenes especially Praetorium id suggest watching it at your Inn room, Praetorium cutscene are longer than the dungeon itself and some people may be short on time.

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Originally Posted by Thorgalkun

For cutscenes especially Praetorium id suggest watching it at your Inn room, Praetorium cutscene are longer than the dungeon itself and some people may be short on time.

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If some people are short on time they may want to queue up for CM then. Just saying... I've never been in a Praetorium group that didn't include at least 1 new guy watching cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Thorgalkun

For cutscenes especially Praetorium id suggest watching it at your Inn room, Praetorium cutscene are longer than the dungeon itself and some people may be short on time.

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If you don't have time to run a dungeon, DON'T QUEUE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

It's not rocket science. Wait until you have the time. Don't mess up the fun of others who aren't on the same time restrictions as you.

If you use the Duty Finder you SHOULD have at least a hour ahead of you.

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Originally Posted by BlossomRose

If you don't have time to run a dungeon, DON'T QUEUE IN THE FIRST PLACE.

It's not rocket science. Wait until you have the time. Don't mess up the fun of others who aren't on the same time restrictions as you.

If you use the Duty Finder you SHOULD have at least a hour ahead of you.

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Agreed. If you want to guarantee you're going to do a speed run you need to form a like-minded group on your own server. You queue at your own risk through the DF and it's not fair to ask people to skip cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Thorgalkun

For cutscenes especially Praetorium id suggest watching it at your Inn room, Praetorium cutscene are longer than the dungeon itself and some people may be short on time.

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They were made to be watched while going through the dungeon, others who chose to go to Praetorium through Duty Finder, chose to match with random players, if that random player is new, or one of those that enjoys watching the cut scenes every time, you have no choice but to wait and watch or just go on ahead without that person. If you can't handle that, it's best to form your own group.

Anyways, devs understands that something needs to be done to justify those who wants to enjoy the cutscenes at same time those who want to rush through dungeons to obtain tomestones, etc. They are trying to come up with a plan to try and solve this issue, so until that is released, you can only rely on your friends to group with OR use the Duty Finder at your own risk. Don't complain if that person wants to watch the cut scene. Try to be civil, having temper and swearing at that person is just going to hurt you in the long run, if the GMs decide to give out the punishments for harassment.

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As for the OP, should just remove that players name from your post, but if it's me, I would report that person. Have been reporting good amount of players recently... :D Rude Kids /shakeshead

Just like the RMT report we should have a report on how many rude players got banned for harassment.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

Just like the RMT report we should have a report on how many rude players got banned for harassment.

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SE is very good at banning toxic players. I was in a DF group with another guy from my homeworld who spent the entire instance harassing the group and being a racist a-hole. I reported him at the end of the instance and within 2 hours he was banned. His name was replaced with a "(deleted)" on my black list and he is no longer searchable on the Lodestone character search function.

tl;dr SE's ban hammer is swift and true for toxic players.

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Originally Posted by Sinth

SE is very good at banning toxic players. I was in a DF group with another guy from my homeworld who spent the entire instance harassing the group and being a racist a-hole. I reported him at the end of the instance and within 2 hours he was banned. His name was replaced with a "(deleted)" on my black list and he is no longer searchable on the Lodestone character search function.

tl;dr SE's ban hammer is swift and true for toxic players.

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Wow. That's amazing.