Gameplay upgrade

Hi, I'm opening this thread considering they've been working on the graphical update during the last expansion and I think it'd be a great idea we get a gameplay update for 8.0

There are several stuff it's time they address because it's either aging or has been an issue since the start of the game.

Jobs design

• Lock job progress and duties above lvl 30 if someone is still playing as class instead of the proper job
• Improve role tutorials at the beginning of ARR. Some stuff could be explained better and have more friendly dialogues considering the game is not available in several languages.
• Take more time to read player feedback. Especially regarding jobs like DRK, PLD, MNK, AST and BLM to name some. Bring back job identity and revert the 2 minute burst design.
• Not all tanks need to make the same DPS. If WAR can solo bosses more easily due to its mitigation and healing it'd be great you made DRK for example have the same healing, deal at least the same damage or more
• Make jobs range in difficulty again. Some changes like MNK rework felt it was done for people who don't care about MNK. The buffs and debuff were a fun part from that job and its removal feels like going from Tekken 8 to Naruto Storm.

Accessibility

• Add more languages, no voice dub needed. Some languages are Latin Spanish, European Spanish, Portuguese, Italian... to name some
• Add subscription and pricing localization. You have localized prices on Steam but your sub and product is extremely expensive in South America and Asia. Even WoW and TESO have localized pricing making it more equal to all players.
• Fix the animation lock issue regarding high ping. Several jobs like DRK, SAM, MNK or MCH are unplayable at 200ms ping.

Variety and more time-friendly high-end

• Add content to get BiS with different gear. It can be in Criterion Savage, make alliance raid savage, or a new content that allows people to get BiS for only one job and it's more grindy or RNG based if you can't run high-end due to having to work and study at the same time. This last thing happens a lot in South American players due to our lifestyle and just being able to run during weekends.
• Lift some weekly restrictions in savage raids. Allow us to reclear fights and don't punish players who haven't cleared yet. Also it'd be great if you considered making weekly loot work like normal raids where we can clear as many times as we want till we get a piece/item.

I'd not like to extend more and leave this open for you to discuss and offer more opinions/feedback :p

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Originally Posted by Vanitax

Lock job progress and duties above lvl 30 if someone is still playing as class instead of the proper job

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Please be aware that a lot of content can be unlocked before you're even hitting level 30 MSQ.
It's not the character's level that determines whether they can do their job unlock, but it's the MSQ.


I started a new character and I have ALL my classes on 25+ already, despite my MSQ being 20, need to go kill Ifrit.
So yeah, I'll be pushing way beyond 30 as class, not as job just because I haven't cleared a MSQ part yet, and you want me to be excluded?
No thanks.

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Originally Posted by NekoNova

So yeah, I'll be pushing way beyond 30 as class, not as job just because I haven't cleared a MSQ part yet, and you want me to be excluded?
No thanks.

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Ifrit is level 20 something, not level 30 or above which is what I specified. If you're trying to run Garuda or Titan and get into as a Gladiator, then those fights should be locked unless you have a Job Stone equipped, for example.

Another option could be removing classes and just starting as jobs at level 1.

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Originally Posted by NekoNova

Please be aware that a lot of content can be unlocked before you're even hitting level 30 MSQ.

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Is there? I mean sure you can run FATEs I guess but that's not the point here. You should absolutely not be able to queue for any party finder content past level 30 without your job stone..

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Originally Posted by Vanitax

Another option could be removing classes and just starting as jobs at level 1.

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Yoshi-P was asked about this at Paris games week. He said he agreed it would be nice amd even gave the example of start the game as a Dark Knight because a lot of new players might be seeking for that big sword fantasy, but that it would also be a bit too much of an investment and not a priority in his opinion.
And he is probably right.

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Originally Posted by Vanitax

Lock job progress and duties above lvl 30 if someone is still playing as class instead of the proper job

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They want to solve that problem but the best they have been able to do is add UIs and reminders to upgrade to the job. Removing classes is very complicated.

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Improve role tutorials at the beginning of ARR. Some stuff could be explained better and have more friendly dialogues considering the game is not available in several languages.

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Well there are role quests as well at higher levels.

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Take more time to read player feedback. Especially regarding jobs like DRK, PLD, MNK, AST and BLM to name some. Bring back job identity and revert the 2 minute burst design.

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They said job identity would likely be next expansion, because this one they want to focus on making content more exciting.

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Not all tanks need to make the same DPS. If WAR can solo bosses more easily due to its mitigation and healing it'd be great you made DRK for example have the same healing, deal at least the same damage or more

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This unfortunately detracts from your previous point about job identity, because if WAR is about converting damage into heals then DRK is about magic shields and giving it all these heals would make it like WAR.

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Add more languages, no voice dub needed. Some languages are Latin Spanish, European Spanish, Portuguese, Italian... to name some

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I think they have been working out at least 1 other language from what I saw recently but it's a slow process, so we probably shouldn't expect anything until they say. Without just using the ever-controversial AI or google translate it means a person has to actually go through 10 years of stuff and translate it...

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Add subscription and pricing localization. You have localized prices on Steam but your sub and product is extremely expensive in South America and Asia. Even WoW and TESO have localized pricing making it more equal to all players.

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My guess is they are concerned about faking account location to get a cheaper price or something like that.

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Fix the animation lock issue regarding high ping. Several jobs like DRK, SAM, MNK or MCH are unplayable at 200ms ping.

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It would be nice if it were improved but I wouldn't quite say unplayable. More like just got to single-weave to be sure of not clipping the GCD.

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Lift some weekly restrictions

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I don't think they'd do these unless they felt they had a very good reason.

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Originally Posted by Garnix

Is there? I mean sure you can run FATEs I guess but that's not the point here. You should absolutely not be able to queue for any party finder content past level 30 without your job stone..

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There are side-dungeons you can unlock yes that aren't part of the main-story.
Don't get me wrong, I agree that the job-stone should be made mandatory as soon as it's unlocked by your progress, e.g make it part of the MSQ or something, or have quests that unlock after that point require you to be a job, not a class.
But it can't apply to content prior to this if the MSQ isn't that far yet, but the game allowed me to unlock it.

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Originally Posted by Vanitax

Ifrit is level 20 something, not level 30 or above which is what I specified. If you're trying to run Garuda or Titan and get into as a Gladiator, then those fights should be locked unless you have a Job Stone equipped, for example.

Another option could be removing classes and just starting as jobs at level 1.

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You can get any and all classes past 30 before you even unlock the MSQ part that allows you to do the job.
Locking at 30 may probably not do anything, or even can even hinder the player on progressing.
Also in some cases you get class abilites past 30.

i just want to access all my skill when i do low level dungeon, just make it the damage scale with the dungeon level like our current state, just with all our skill accessible up to our uncapped level