Should bosses get something along the lines of a mini enrage, or super TB?

This would only come into play when there are just one or both tanks left alive, and the boss just does away with them after 10-12 seconds?

I'm not sure if anyone else feels my frustration with tanks holding players hostage because the boss can't kill them if they know the mechanics, and they also can't kill the boss because it has too much HP remaining. This came to mind with the last Rubicante EX party I was in, and would have loved it if he just kept spamming Dualfire until naught but ash remained.

Thoughts?

As a tank main, no, we should be able to solo the bosses that we can solo. If the rest of the party die, they can lay on the ground and learn the mechanics from a confident tank that spends 10 minutes doing them flawlessly. Then they will know next time.

I am 100% in favor of casual dungeon bosses having Enrages, make it completely and utterly lenient, if the party is doing like, 1% grey parse-level damage, they still wouldn't even see the hints of an Enrage, but I had a few situations where the Tank will absolutely BM the party over mistakes, like the Healer dying early and the DPS being unable to keep up with unavoidable damage as a result even if they play perfect, and then brag about how they are "useless" after they spent 20 minutes on a war of attrition just being a goddamn cockroach about it and wasting everyone's time.

In general I am in favor of features that reduce the Tank's ability to BM the party, which currently is too high due to the disparity in difficulty between casual dungeons and Savage/Ultimates and the need for Tanks to keep up with the latter while also participating in the former, don't get me wrong, most Tanks are really nice and my experience is that Tanks tend to try harder than DPS players, but I still dislike being at mercy of the Tank being willing to be nice, even if I can report them after.

Some kind of enrage timer might help push people to actually do things instead of sandbagging and dragging the fight on forever. Some fights do have them, but not many.

That said, I prefer the "soft enrage" style over the "hard enrage". In a hard enrage, the boss just suddenly gets tired of fighting and one-shots everyone (see Alexander Prime's second cast of Divine Judgement; the first, scripted one requires a tank LB3, but the second just kills you even through it). In a soft enrage, the fight's momentum eventually makes it impossible to continue, usually through a stacking damage buff (Cerberus if not chained in time), or environmental factors (Shinryu breaking parts off the platform until you eventually just run out of room), or some similar effect. The latter feels like a natural progression of the fight, while the former feels like an ass pull.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

As a tank main, no, we should be able to solo the bosses that we can solo. If the rest of the party die, they can lay on the ground and learn the mechanics from a confident tank that spends 10 minutes doing them flawlessly. Then they will know next time.

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You can't solo it. You're spanking it with a wet noodle, and will eventually get taken out by the boss's hard enrage, by which you are just wasting everyone's time. Players learn better by doing than by watching. More if not all bosses in the game should have these soft enrages to wipe the floor with selfish, ego driven tanks.

I'm a tank main and have been saying this for years (though not entirely here, iirc)

It would actually make some incentive for people to actually learn and do their role instead of being able to get a verified chimp to squish a banana on the 1 key and still be able to clear the content. Me being able to solo bosses is great and all, but it does take a long time, which ultimately ends up being more of a waste of time rather than an impressive feat.

I think they should interchange between soft and hard enrages.

I want normal raids to have an enrage tbh. I don't want it to require amazing gameplay or anything to meet, just have a reasonable ~12 minute enrage for a fight that normally will take <10 minutes or something. Dungeons I honestly don't care. When I tank fights and the rest of the group dies I just kill myself because it's quicker to reattempt than to solo it.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

You can't solo it. You're spanking it with a wet noodle, and will eventually get taken out by the boss's hard enrage, by which you are just wasting everyone's time. Players learn better by doing than by watching. More if not all bosses in the game should have these soft enrages to wipe the floor with selfish, ego driven tanks.

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I didn't read the "ex" part but I have found it useful being able to solo large parts of extreme trials, because it allows me to show my party the mechanics without them being distracted by a rotation and other things.

I did this in this expansion in Barb ex and Endsinger ex, showing them mechanics several phases beyond where they were dying and how I executed the mechanics. It was useful for them to see in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

I want normal raids to have an enrage tbh.

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I discovered O1 has a 14 minute enrage. On the other hand, when I solo'd E12 I was able to go over 20 minutes without seeing an enrage. Shows how design changed at some point.

I mean some bosses already do, like the last two bosses of Amaurot(might be wrong about one of them).

I have mixed feelings on it though. On one hand it could force people to do better, or on the other it could really be frustrating.

We had a soft enrage once in AK (Ampador Keep). It was called the Demon Wall bees. Took too long, and those bees would spawn to destroy your group. I miss those bees so much. D: