Square, please balance Deep Dungeon 6.3 for 70-90, not just 81+!

So I was a little bummed out when I saw the new Eureka Orthos entry requirements this morning. I don't really mind needing to finish Endwalker, but the fact we missed SHB and the dungeon still starts at 81 is a little disappointing.

I know a number of friends who prefer to just grind their hearts out in Deep Dungeon on alts, even some who haven't even been leveling alt jobs without Deep Dungeon available yet. While I understand skipping SHB due to other content, I still feel like Eureka should at least scale for that missed gap, so people can level there entirely if they really wish to.

There's still at least 2 months before 6.3 comes out, so I hope there's enough time to be able to scale the content accordingly by then. It doesn't really need to have more floors than whatever the plan is, just scaling the exp for a larger span is all that's necessary.

Please take this into consideration before patch release!

You do know that the alternative to a Deep Dungeon in Shadowbringers is Bozja, yes? If they can unlock this and other forms of content, then they can unlock Bozja as well. There's zero need to do this for 70-80; we already have that, and it's arguably just as easy since all you do is fight FATEs. FATEs which give as much exp as a Deep Dungeon would. This is by design: Bozja is the place you go to to mass-level jobs at that tier.

...Sure, and you could also do map FATEs, Trust leveling, Roulettes, and Beast Tribes for xp from 70+ too. I know Bozja exists, that doesn't mean it's Deep Dungeon, so for people who say "I want to level this alt entirely through Deep Dungeon" it means just as little as "Just do roulettes".

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Originally Posted by AvalonBright

...Sure, and you could also do map FATEs, Trust leveling, Roulettes, and Beast Tribes for xp from 70+ too. I know Bozja exists, that doesn't mean it's Deep Dungeon, so for people who say "I want to level this alt entirely through Deep Dungeon" it means just as little as "Just do roulettes".

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I mean, they can. But it's not the same. You want a quick place to get EXP, normal overworld content isn't going to give you half as much EXP as Bozja does.

Bozja's tuned to be the equivalent of a Deep Dive.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You do know that the alternative to a Deep Dungeon in Shadowbringers is Bozja, yes? If they can unlock this and other forms of content, then they can unlock Bozja as well. There's zero need to do this for 70-80; we already have that, and it's arguably just as easy since all you do is fight FATEs. FATEs which give as much exp as a Deep Dungeon would. This is by design: Bozja is the place you go to to mass-level jobs at that tier.

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You could as easily say then that there was no point in one among Palace of the Dead and Diadem or Heaven on High or Eureka. But, there clearly was, seeing as they're completely different forms of content.

What harm would there be in having Deep Dungeon options all the way to 90, instead of randomly skipping the 70-80 span?

I'd rather just allow experience to be gathered from Exploratory Missions the whole way 50-90 and from DD from 1-90, without forcing alternation between the two for those who prefer one type of side-content over the other. If the point to those new content forms either were solely experience acceleration, there'd have been no point in creating any side-content in the first place; you'd just accelerate experience gains from all but MSQ.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

You could as easily say then that there was no point in one among Palace of the Dead and Diadem or Heaven on High or Eureka.

What harm would there be in having Deep Dungeon options all the way to 90, instead of randomly skipping the 70-80 span?

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Yes, there was no point. Because guess what: POTD and HOH were places to get Experience. You cannot level up in Eureka nor in Diadem. Well... you can in Diadem, but not the fighting classes.

Also, "what harm"? idk, maybe keeping old content alive, for one? Rather than usurping it with a deep dive when Bozja was designed specifically to be a replacement? You're not skipping ANYTHING. Why are you so adamant we're skipping?? Because it's not a randomly-generated dungeon? We're skipping a form of content, but not the purpose itself. You want to level up, you go there, there's no SKIPPING anywhere.

Have you guys even done these contents at all to know what you're comparing them to?
Because no person is so daft as to compare Eureka to POTD. But Bozja you can. Why? Because it was designed that way, it was made to be the replacement of a Deep Dungeon.

This conversation has taken a turn for the moronic.

You guys want to replace content that already does exactly what you want with something else at higher levels? Be my guest. You're getting no sympathy for me.

It's a no.

And before anyone says "THAT'S MY OPINION :UUU" like a third-rate Karen...
https://i.redd.it/sh68ygz0pdz91.jpg

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

You're not skipping ANYTHING. Why are you so adamant we're skipping?? Because it's not a randomly-generated dungeon? We're skipping a form of content, but not the purpose itself.

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By that logic, if someone does Savage for the gear, they'd lose nothing if there was no Savage next expansion, replacing it instead with BiS coming from casual content.

Just because you do Content X solely for Reward A does not mean that's true for everyone else.

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Because it was designed that way, it was made to be the replacement of a Deep Dungeon.

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It wasn't made "as a replacement for Deep Dungeon." The Deep Dungeon simply wasn't also included, unlike the previous two expansions, because "Sorry, guys, but we don't have development time for both."

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You guys want to replace content that already does exactly what you want

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If experience grind were the sole thing people wanted from deep dungeons, this thread probably wouldn't exist. For all you know, one's reasoning could be "Bozja is depressingly fugly and I'd prefer any other way to level, but am bored of the 70-80 dungeons and FATEs."

Nor would an alternative remove existing content.

No, because then you'll seriously devalue the use of Bozja besides doing Shb relics and the questline. I like to keep old content relevant with SOME exclusivity. We havent had a proper 80-90 leveling method sides, roulette and this will be that answer. Come next expansion they'll do the same and so on and so forth.

Unless it's being placed in a zone a lv 70 can reach or someone is wanting to use it to level an alt job there wouldn't be a reason to bump it that low. And just because Bozja might be fugly doesn't mean some PotD at least can look just as fugly.