Dynamis - Limit Breaks

I found part of this in another thread, but no answer, and I don't think it's right.

Can anyone point to a specific line of text in the game or a live letter or interview or some official sources that states limit breaks are Dynamis-powered? Not something like 'Dynamis is emotional energy and Limit Breaks are when you get desperate/angry therefore...' because that's a bad connection, and also that not how limit breaks used to be described. They used to be 'synergy' powered, where a bunch of adventurers get together and the teamwork created limit attacks.

I can't find anything anywhere I look. Before I really buy into the idea, I'd like to see some actual reference.

The Endsinger says 'dynamis...?' in the part of the raid with the forced tank LB3.

That's it. That's all, that's the entirety of the evidence. Beyond that everyone just latched onto it as 'yeah, that sounds good'.

When you battle the Endsinger at the end of Endwalker, you need to use an LB3 Tank Limit Break to survive her ultimate attack. When you do, the Endsinger goes, "Dynamis!?"

In the reworked Praetorium fight, you get a chance to use an LB3 Limit Break despite being in a 4-man party because, "Your fervent hope shines forth as resplendent Light, granting you strength beyond your limits!"

WoL's deterimination and hope for a better future allowed them to use an LB3 Limit Break in a scenario when it would otherwise be impossible.

In some fights, the LB3 automatically charges just before you need it.

In others you may need the LB3, but it has to build up over time through its natural building mechanisms(stuff like people getting healed en masse from near death to full HP, breaking Ifrit's nails etc).

I'm of the mindset that when the LB3 builds automatically to 3 charges, that would be a sudden Dynamis reaction. The pressure of the situation teasing out your dramatic need for power, and of course, it mimics the techniques you already know, because as far as we're shown the WoL's use of Dynamis is completely unconscious.

But when it builds naturally, it's merely the techniques developed and used via Aether mainly.

I don't think there's anything official on this yet, because the writers haven't decided what direction they're going to go with it, but Cleretic is correct.

It should also be pointed out that we have definite proof of non-Dynamis limit breaks from the Ktitsis Hyperborea Trusts. Those three can't use dynamis and yet can crack out LBs, although I believe their AI isn't tremendously inclined to. And I'd find it hard to believe the Machinist LB3 is anything but exactly what it looks like.

So basically, 'dynamis LBs' are a pretty cool idea that works sometimes, but also there's definitely instances were someone just... makes a giant fireball once in a while. So if you're a roleplayer trying to write up your own LB you can go either way and have decent grounding.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

The Endsinger says 'dynamis...?' in the part of the raid with the forced tank LB3.

That's it. That's all, that's the entirety of the evidence. Beyond that everyone just latched onto it as 'yeah, that sounds good'.

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Ignoring the fact that the incident you describe is fairly GOOD evidence(you do a thing that you have always been able to do but have never defined, and the being in the universe with the most knowledge of dynamis identifies it as such), theres another bit of evidence earlier on. During your time in Elpis(i believe its the conversation where you first find the Elpis flowers) theres a bit of dialogue that implies a connection between your ability to overcome your limits and dynamis.

I thought Endsinger’s quote is more about the shield over the party which was caused by all the scion’s prayers.

EDIT: To answer Rayne, shield wasn't there yet as I recall, it turned up afterwards.

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Originally Posted by Frizze

Ignoring the fact that the incident you describe is fairly GOOD evidence(you do a thing that you have always been able to do but have never defined, and the being in the universe with the most knowledge of dynamis identifies it as such), theres another bit of evidence earlier on. During your time in Elpis(i believe its the conversation where you first find the Elpis flowers) theres a bit of dialogue that implies a connection between your ability to overcome your limits and dynamis.

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Again: that's not actual evidence, that's just you going 'yeah, that sounds good'. We're doing a whole lot of stuff with dynamis in Ultima Thule and the Endwalker endgame, not all of it consciously, so it's not surprising that one of our usuals might be tapping into it at that point. Hell, pretty much right after that point, basically ALL of your usuals are somehow tapping into it. And the 'transcending your limits' language they use there is instead something you see in regards to solo duties, where it also tracks.

And again, there'smultiple examples of LBs that can't actually be dynamis. The Ktisis Trust LBs used by non-dynamis manipulators, a couple of our job LB3s like Machinist (the Satellite Laser is clearly manipulated like just another part of your kit, this isn't Gurren Lagann where you can manifest robots out of fighting spirit), and even the Warrior of Light in Seat of Sacrifice is clearly using LBs while being incapable of using dynamis. So we've got evidence that just because that one LB3 probably was dynamis-fuelled, it doesn't mean all LBs are dynamis-fuelled. Which is fine, because dynamis doesn't have to be a one-size-fits-all thing. Maybe Satellite Laser is a sometimes food because it's difficult to field. Maybe Elidibus uses aether to crack out LBs because he knows that Heroes Use LBs and found his own way to do it. Maybe the Ktisis Trusts hold back their big swings because they're all drama queens that hold back their full power until it's dramatically appropriate (this one I'm certain of).

So yeah. At least one LB is a dynamis thing, and at least a few LBs definitely aren't. Which works, because that means dynamis exists as an explanation without being the only one. For writers in the setting--both official and fan--that's a pretty good space to be in, because it means that it can be an option if they want it to be, but it isn't forced to be your only one.

Which is good, because Machinist has the best LB3.

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Originally Posted by RayneBoemir

I thought Endsinger’s quote is more about the shield over the party which was caused by all the scion’s prayers.

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She reacts to the WoL Tank LB3 by saying: "Dynamis?" As it happened before the scions' prayers and the shield protecting the WoL from fatalism.
Afterward, she says: "What's this defiance" to the shield in a manner similar to someone saying: "Wtf where this positive energy is coming from???"

It's implied in Elpis that dynamis is just putting a name to the "heroic willpower breaking all limits" trope, including things like limit breaks.