Multi-tank busters should apply to the main tank in an alliance instead of a DPS

if a tank in an alliance dies the buster should apply a 2nd time to whoever is MT, because they have the utility to survive a 2nd buster, it's been horrible playing the nier raids as a DPS and getting the buster when your party's tank dies

as a dps you have no way to counter the buster and it's not your fault if your party's tank dies

If you die it's the fault of the other tanks that did not use tank stances to stay second on the enmity list, which is supposed to be their job.

Enmity is easy enough as it is, let's not make it even more dumb.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

If you die it's the fault of the other tanks that did not use tank stances to stay second on the enmity list, which is supposed to be their job.

Enmity is easy enough as it is, let's not make it even more dumb.

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but sometimes a tank dies and I feel it should be the responsability of the other tanks to use their CDs to mitigate a double damage buster if anything it doesn't dumb down the experience but makes CD management even more important for tanks in alliance raids and it will make invulns more important to save incase a tank on another party dies

keeping it as it is means now means the other tanks don't have to take any responsability and won't acknowledge that they are getting members killed

Welcome to being on a team, bud. Sometimes your team sucks and you suffer for it.

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Originally Posted by DaulBan

Welcome to being on a team, bud. Sometimes your team sucks and you suffer for it.

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but we're a whole alliance, that means the other tanks should take the L if another tank dies just like how if a healer dies then the other healer has to solo heal, it's been so bad in the Nier raids that I almost exclusively go as tank for them now just to avoid this mess

I mitigate and used my CDs better than the other tanks so nobody in the party has to die for tank mistakes and if it what I suggested somehow gets into the game I would happily use a holmgang for it

So, you want the MT to die to 2 tank busters at once, instead of the best dps in your party, so that the boss runs amok amoung the alliance or the last tank alive after a tank buster? No, thx!

If one or more tank(s) die it may or may not be their fault, and you may or may not pay for that. FF14 is still a MMO, yus a team game. Take one for the team, blame the one(s) who are at fault, and that's that.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

If you die it's the fault of the other tanks that did not use tank stances to stay second on the enmity list, which is supposed to be their job.

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In alliance raids, tanks don't need to be 1st in their party list, except for the MT.

Tank busters are targeted at TANKs - no matter what - first, and then next in aggro list, if there is no tank.

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Originally Posted by ArianeEwah

Tank busters are targeted at TANKs - no matter what - first, and then next in aggro list, if there is no tank.

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Point is, the second in the enmity list should be a tank.

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Originally Posted by Nyarlha

Point is, the second in the enmity list should be a tank.

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Except this doesn't really apply in alliance raid, in theory yes tanks should be second and third in threat in case MT dies or whatever, but unfortunately most tanks typically have a stand off on who's going to be MT, so typically the other two tanks probably won't have their stance active.

Specifically in OPs scenario, if a tank is dead at the point in a 24 man when three tank busters always go out simultaneously, it will target a non tank, if 1 or more tanks are dead on the floor.

But as noted, OP just needs to suck it up, not always the tanks fault for dying, and besides, not like it actually matters, there's no actual enrage timer to beat on 24 man fights.

And this is why I always say the Off-Tank should never have their tank stance off. Just use shirk after your initial burst.

Fundamentals people.

This is why we should have Diversion back